Is it just me or have SF vanished?

James Brown · 27-06-2020 02:00AM

blanch152 wrote: »

I was astonished to read this.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/sinn-fein-hierarchy-claims-it-was-not-aware-paddy-holohan-would-get-nomination-for-mayor-39319362.html

Unbelievable stuff. Imagine nominating a racist homophobe for mayor?

He's no business even thinking he can go for that roll.

No Councilor O'Leary treatment though? Not too busy with covid to dismiss it? Not a throwaway remark? You've either an issue with holohan and an issue with O'Leary or neither IMO O'Leary was much worse.

Poor_old_gill · 27-06-2020 06:39AM

Bowie wrote: »

He's no business even thinking he can go for that roll.

No Councilor O'Leary treatment though? Not too busy with covid to dismiss it? Not a throwaway remark? You've either an issue with holohan and an issue with O'Leary or neither IMO O'Leary was much worse.

Only came onto this thread for the pathetic whataboutery, so thank you.

Edgware · 27-06-2020 07:57AM

Bonniedog wrote: »

They are not pleased by the way things have turned out with the coalition deal.

Had another election been called and they did as well as polls are saying, or even as well as January, and ran multiple candidates they would have been looking at up to 50 seats.

That would have guaranteed them a place in government most likely.

We may be grateful that did not come to pass despite the cost being having the wacky Greens in power.

If virus remains under control and economy picks up shinners will be in bad place.

Especially as the extremely poor quality of their TDs, councillors and senators will be exposed. Sure to be more scandals too. Would not be surprised if Big Bobby's death leads to more revelations regarding MI5/Branch control of the upper echelons of their militia.

Now now now. Don't be insinuating about S.F. heads cosy relationship with British intelligence. It will damage the Peace Process

zoobizoo · 27-06-2020 09:59AM

The outrage on the Friends Who Support Sinn Fein Facebook page makes for great reading......

"Yes we want another election we did not vot foer ye power grabing ***** But it all about the money in the endSold ye vote just liks judis done Enjoy while ye can yer days are numbered And ye will be history get up on you bike and toddle on Ye wount have a gaverment if the people dont support ye Not my goverment"

27-06-2020 10:04AM

zoobizoo wrote: »

The outrage on the Friends Who Support Sinn Fein Facebook page makes for great reading......

I fear several of the SF twitterati may never vote green again. :pac:

https://twitter.com/Revolution_IRL/status/1276624332198948864

walshb · 27-06-2020 10:04AM

What’s this Paddy Holohan talk of South Dublin Msyor..

What are SF at...

Who are they attracting to their ranks.....?!

JohnnyFlash · 27-06-2020 10:06AM

zoobizoo wrote: »

The outrage on the Friends Who Support Sinn Fein Facebook page makes for great reading......

"Yes we want another election we did not vot foer ye power grabing ***** But it all about the money in the endSold ye vote just liks judis done Enjoy while ye can yer days are numbered And ye will be history get up on you bike and toddle on Ye wount have a gaverment if the people dont support ye Not my goverment"

I’m not so sure Holohan’s sort of views are actually that uncommon amongst some of SF’s new voter base. I’ll be polite and just say a lot of them don’t strike me as the most politically nuanced or knowledgeable of people.

zoobizoo · 27-06-2020 10:13AM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

I’m not so sure Holohan’s sort of views are actually that uncommon amongst some of SF’s new voter base. I’ll be polite and just say a lot of them don’t strike me as the most politically nuanced or knowledgeable of people.

Saw a lot of Ireland first comments on the page... jokes about Varadkar's sexuality..... comments about his heritage.....

Someone the other day posted up a clip from Fox News!

Jinglejangle69 · 27-06-2020 10:19AM

Bowie wrote: »

He's no business even thinking he can go for that roll.

No Councilor O'Leary treatment though? Not too busy with covid to dismiss it? Not a throwaway remark? You've either an issue with holohan and an issue with O'Leary or neither IMO O'Leary was much worse.

There it is.

smurgen · 27-06-2020 10:20AM

Edgware wrote: »

Welcome to realS.F.
Don't be upset. You were not the first to be fooled by the propaganda aimed at the useful idiots

Useful idiots we might be now but efforts need to be made to reform the party into the progressive party it can be.i believe those that were looking to SF as an opportunity for change could greatly refine the party. Time will tell as from what I can see there's alot of people angry at this nomination now. Hopefully that scumbag is booted out and those that put him there reprimanded.

Poor_old_gill · 27-06-2020 10:20AM

https://twitter.com/unakavanagh/status/1217868594165489664

Also doesn't include his part about underage girls having sex with older men and then blackmailing them.

Party of the people - unless you are an immigrant, of immigrant descent, a woman or gay.

Bonniedog · 27-06-2020 10:23AM

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

I fear several of the SF twitterati may never vote green again. :pac:

https://twitter.com/Revolution_IRL/status/1276624332198948864

"Betrayed"!!!

This from a party that ended 30 years of conflict by agreeing to run the 6 counties for the Brits, and spent ten years implementing Tory "ozterrity" while whinging about every trivial thing down here.

Cal4567 · 27-06-2020 02:18PM

Bonniedog wrote: »

"Betrayed"!!!

This from a party that ended 30 years of conflict by agreeing to run the 6 counties for the Brits, and spent ten years implementing Tory "ozterrity" while whinging about every trivial thing down here.

Actually the role and power of the devolved UK assemblies are limited, so SF's hands are tied to some extent, a point that seems to be comfortably forgotten both sometimes here and more importantly by ROI politicians.

By all means be critical on candidate selection e.g. Paddy Holohan (in my opinion, that does seem not sensible) but you just cannot compare devolved government administration to national governments.

jm08 · 27-06-2020 02:26PM

walshb wrote: »

What’s this Paddy Holohan talk of South Dublin Msyor..

What are SF at...

Who are they attracting to their ranks.....?!

Condemned by Eoin O Broin this morning on RTE. He was asked if SF were going to withdraw and he said something to the effect that they would except that the new mayor is already elected (a FF I think).

jm08 · 27-06-2020 02:28PM

smurgen wrote: »

Useful idiots we might be now but efforts need to be made to reform the party into the progressive party it can be.i believe those that were looking to SF as an opportunity for change could greatly refine the party. Time will tell as from what I can see there's alot of people angry at this nomination now. Hopefully that scumbag is booted out and those that put him there reprimanded.

Speaking then, Sinn Féin leader Mary Lou McDonald launched disciplinary proceedings, saying Mr Holohan’s comments were “beyond offensive” and “vile”.
“I actually find them upsetting,” she said.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/%C3%B3-broin-says-nomination-of-sinn-f%C3%A9in-s-paddy-holohan-s-for-mayor-wrong-1.4289812

Bonniedog · 27-06-2020 02:40PM

Cal4567 wrote: »

Actually the role and power of the devolved UK assemblies are limited, so SF's hands are tied to some extent, a point that seems to be comfortably forgotten both sometimes here and more importantly by ROI politicians.

.

Being part of any British administration in Ireland is totally against any notion of republicanism.

Pity they didn't see the light before thousands including the hunger strikers and hundreds of Volunteers died for nothing.

FrancieBrady · 27-06-2020 02:44PM

Bonniedog wrote: »

Being part of any British administration in Ireland is totally against any notion of republicanism.

Pity they didn't see the light before thousands including the hunger strikers and hundreds of Volunteers died for nothing.

Are you voicing support for the dissidents there?

Bonniedog · 27-06-2020 02:49PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Are you voicing support for the dissidents there?

If the Provos couldnt beat the Brits, a gang of retro Provos are not going to!

Armed struggle failed. You don't have to be a "dissident" to realise that the shinners have sold out on everything the republican movement stood for, and for which thousands died for no reason.

FrancieBrady · 27-06-2020 03:13PM

Bonniedog wrote: »

If the Provos couldnt beat the Brits, a gang of retro Provos are not going to!

Armed struggle failed. You don't have to be a "dissident" to realise that the shinners have sold out on everything the republican movement stood for, and for which thousands died for no reason.

People died because an artificially created sectarian statlet imploded as it was always going to do if the people responsible for it didn't ensure parity of esteem and equality of opportunity and rights.
That was achieved.

You are having a dissident style whinge about 'selling out' because having achieved all that and more it was decided to create a UI using political means?

Go you!

Bonniedog · 27-06-2020 03:29PM

Parity of esteem my ar$e.

It was about bringing about a 32 county Republic.

So it failed.

Shinners have nothing that could not have been gotten had IRA surrendered in 1973 after Sunningdale instead of wasting another 21 years.

FrancieBrady · 27-06-2020 03:33PM

Bonniedog wrote: »

Parity of esteem my ar$e.

It was about bringing about a 32 county Republic.

So it failed.

Shinners have nothing that could not have been gotten had IRA surrendered in 1973 after Sunningdale instead of wasting another 21 years.

Historically and factually wrong.

Unionism collapsed Sunningdale and SF had nothing to do with that.

Bonniedog · 27-06-2020 03:45PM

So SF supported Sunningdale did it?

Sunningdale which contained everything that was in GFA by the way.

Or do you mean that republicans didnt want a 32 county republic and were only waiting for the chance to run the north for the Brits?

FrancieBrady · 27-06-2020 03:56PM

Bonniedog wrote: »

So SF supported Sunningdale did it?

SF had nothing to do with the negotiation of it and didn't support it.

Sunningdale which contained everything that was in GFA by the way.

A Seamus Mallon bitter about being forgotten and his party being demolished by the electorate coined the phrase 'The GFA was Sunningdale for slow learners', it wasn't there are quite a few differences and it was never going to work anyway until the British took responsibility and removed the Unionist veto with the Anglo Irish Agreement....then the road was clear to the GFA. Get the history right, then you can pass judgement.

Or do you mean that republicans didnt want a 32 county republic and were only waiting for the chance to run the north for the Brits?

What? Last time I looked republicans live in the north...why should they be beholding to the British for running their own homeland?

Bonniedog · 27-06-2020 04:25PM

The "unionist veto" in the GFA is exactly the same as it was in Sunningdale:

That a majority in 6 counties have to vote for unity.

This is getting tiresome as you clearly know nothing about any of this other than quick wiki visits that go over your head.

As for your last comment..... where to start. Northern Ireland is not a homeland, nor have republicans ever aspired to running it. Sounds like you are the one that has more in common with Mallon and the SDLP.

Pkiernan · 27-06-2020 04:44PM

I like that the SF dictatorship has ruled that the freely elected SF councillors were wrong.

Freedom!

FrancieBrady · 27-06-2020 04:50PM

Bonniedog wrote: »

The "unionist veto" in the GFA is exactly the same as it was in Sunningdale:

That a majority in 6 counties have to vote for unity.

This is getting tiresome as you clearly know nothing about any of this other than quick wiki visits that go over your head.

As for your last comment..... where to start. Northern Ireland is not a homeland, nor have republicans ever aspired to running it. Sounds like you are the one that has more in common with Mallon and the SDLP.

The Anglo Irish Agreement paved the way for the GFA because it removed the Unionist veto.fact.
SF didnt trust it either and opposed it.
Dont ridicule me because you don't know your history. Here's John Hume talking about it:

The Unionist people have a long and strong tradition in Ireland. They have a rich Protestant heritage and a great pride in their tradition. They have pride in their service to the Crown, pride in their contribution to the United States, in their spirit of industry and achievement, in their work ethic and in their faith. Their special metttle is believed by many of them to be expressed in victories in battles long ago, battles regularly commemorated. But that pride is expressed in an archaic supremacism and in a desperate fear that they could not survive in accommodation with other traditions. They must live apart. Living apart may have been acceptable as long as their hold on power was underpinned by successive British goverments: but that is no longer the case.

The fundamental change that has taken place as a result of the Anglo-Irish Agreement is a change that is deeply and fully understood by every Unionist. What it means is that their exclusive hold on power has gone and is not coming back. The power of veto on British policy which they have always had, and which goes to the heart of our problem here, has gone and is not coming back. The loss is uncomfortable for their leaders, for while they held that privileged position they never had to be politicians or exercise the art of politics, which is the art of representing one’s own view while treating others with fairness

I suggest you use this as a starting point and research properly. Then come back to us with a view based on what really happened. Yeh?

maccored · 27-06-2020 09:24PM

Bonniedog wrote: »

So SF supported Sunningdale did it?

Sunningdale which contained everything that was in GFA by the way.

Or do you mean that republicans didnt want a 32 county republic and were only waiting for the chance to run the north for the Brits?

an inaccurate quip invented by the SDLP. stop believing everything youre told without question. smacks of laziness and gullibility

Bonniedog · 27-06-2020 09:44PM

maccored wrote: »

an inaccurate quip invented by the SDLP. stop believing everything youre told without question. smacks of laziness and gullibility

Consent clause in Sunningdale, Hillsborough and GFA are exactly the same:

A united Ireland if a majority in 6 counties agree.

You band wagon hoppers are an embarrassment.

FrancieBrady · 27-06-2020 09:45PM

Bonniedog wrote: »

Consent clause in Sunningdale, Hillsborough and GFA are exactly the same:

A united Ireland if a majority in 6 counties agree.

You band wagon hoppers are an embarrassment.

You calling John Hume a band wagon hopper rather than admit you don't know what you are talking about.

Figures.

Bonniedog · 27-06-2020 10:09PM

I was referring to historical illiterates like yourself who clearly can't understand simple statements.

GFA commits the two governments to " ...recognise the legitimacy of whatever choice is freely exercised by the people of Northern Ireland with regard to its status, whether they prefer to continue to support the union with Great Britain or a sovereign United Ireland."

Sunningdale: "The Irish government fully accepted and solemnly declared that there could be no change in the status of Northern Ireland until a majority of people in Northern Ireland desired a change in that status."

Hillsborough 1985 - "The two governments affirm that any change in the status of Northern Ireland would only come about with the consent of a majority of the people in Northern Ireland."

Perhaps our constitutional experts here will explain the difference?

Is it just me or have SF vanished?

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