Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

Goldengirl wrote: »

Not into the conspiracy theories , but on the point of China , we will never know how long it was circulating there before they released news of their epidemic in Wuhan.
And have we heard anything about the Chinese testing their sewage to find that out , as other countries are ? No . They have been very careful to only release data for research that shows them in a favourable light .
And they have not been open about how the lead up to Wuhan was handled .
So for all we know milder version of this virus may well have been circulating through all infected countries months earlier , but has mutated into the present more infectious strain.

Spare a thought for Dr Ai Fen, who as far as I am aware, is still 'missing'.

https://scienceintegritydigest.com/2020/03/11/dr-ai-fen-the-wuhan-whistle/

expectationlost wrote: »

isn't about time they (the WHO I guess) were more clear on the strains, give them different names...

I am surprised anyone still has any regard for or pays much attention to the WHO anymore.

It seems everything is back to normal here. Went to Tesco's last night and no social distancing, no masks etc. The hand sanitising station looked abandoned. Maybe it's gone, hope so but I doubt this was the end of Covid.

My neighbourhood hosted a birthday party for an elderly neighbour a couple of weeks ago. Mostly people around ages 40 to 70 in attendance, around forty or fifty of them. Lots of singing, champagne, cake etc. out on the lawn while the main character stayed at the doorstep. Many did go closer to congratulate though.

Just saw that elderly neighbour being carried into an ambulance. I tend to think it was something other than Covid, at least I hope it wasn't. But can't help wondering.. I hope my neighbour will recover soon.

It's difficult to know how you should be behaving and what, if any, precautions to take. People tend to laugh at you if you keep a distance or wear a mask on the streets or in the shops but they take it very seriously at the doctor's for example, no matter why you're there. They won't even let you in without a mask. I don't know, I want to protect my family because of people who are vulnerable but...

hmmm wrote: »

This finding is so extraordinary I don't know where to begin. Needs lots of review, pre-print, no peer reviews etc., but it's going to cause a stir.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.13.20129627v1
"All samples
came out to be negative for the presence of SARS-CoV-2 genomes with the exception
of March 12, 2019, in which both IP2 and IP4 target assays were positive. This striking
finding indicates circulation of the virus in Barcelona long before the report of any
COVID-19 case worldwide. "

If you look at the table that makes up Figure 2A in the article, they detected evidence of virus in archival samples based on 2 of the 5 markers on March 12, 2019. However, the other 3 markers were negative and there was no evidence of the virus based on any of the 5 markers in archival samples from the same wastewater site either before (from Jan 2018) or after (up to Dec 2019). It’s also noteworthy that the authors really aren’t making that much of a big deal about that finding (it’s not mentioned at all in the Conclusions) and seem to be focusing much more on the data showing (stronger) evidence of the virus about a month before the first official case (ie, in Feb 2020).

My vote would be a false positive for the March 12 sample.

Deleted User wrote: »

If you are going to view any evidence of Covid-19 existing elsewhere before Wuhan as Chinese hacking, then you should dial down the suspicion.

I'll look at what pops up, like this research, with one sample from a single day showing a positive and looking like a good candidate for sample contamination or false positive, but I'm not going to swallow this sort of thing at face value, given China's previous, obvious and clumsy attempts to lay a false trail.

I think there will be a significant military confrontation with China within the next 5 years. A very unfortunate point in time to have President Narcissus glued to a mirror. Perhaps the Indians will grow a pair and bomb their land grab legions in the Gallwan valley and surrounds.

Italy back in the news again. It's the Bulgarians!

Italy has sent soldiers to restore order in a coastal town near Naples after a coronavirus outbreak at an apartment complex illegally occupied by hundreds of migrant workers caused angry confrontations with residents

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/jun/26/coronavirus-live-news-cases-rise-in-27-us-states-as-cdc-estimates-20m-americans-may-have-been-infected?page=with:block-5ef5e1d48f08e14b3082a90d#block-5ef5e1d48f08e14b3082a90d

Northern Ireland:
1 new death and 4 new cases

Texas Republicans can no longer deny the existence of gravity it seems...

https://twitter.com/cbs11doug/status/1276509820141686792

Better late than never I guess.

NPHET briefing around 5.30 this evening in case anyone missed having it yesterday..! Wonder will they have any/many briefings from now on. https://twitter.com/juneshannon/status/1276506373300400130?s=19

Hopefully lessons are learned from this

https://twitter.com/wsvn/status/1276519022419496961

I hate websites that dont date updates when they add extra information to a news post.
Just checked back on asthma.ie news feed an lo and behold we now have a definition of severe asthma. That wasnt there 3/4 days ago when I checked their website yet again before posting.
I know they are a non profit so thankyou whoever added the information at last. Page is looking good and informative now.

https://www.asthma.ie/news/severe-asthma-and-cocooning

ShayNanigan wrote: »

It seems everything is back to normal here. Went to Tesco's last night and no social distancing, no masks etc. The hand sanitising station looked abandoned. Maybe it's gone, hope so but I doubt this was the end of Covid.

My neighbourhood hosted a birthday party for an elderly neighbour a couple of weeks ago. Mostly people around ages 40 to 70 in attendance, around forty or fifty of them. Lots of singing, champagne, cake etc. out on the lawn while the main character stayed at the doorstep. Many did go closer to congratulate though.

Just saw that elderly neighbour being carried into an ambulance. I tend to think it was something other than Covid, at least I hope it wasn't. But can't help wondering.. I hope my neighbour will recover soon.

It's difficult to know how you should be behaving and what, if any, precautions to take. People tend to laugh at you if you keep a distance or wear a mask on the streets or in the shops but they take it very seriously at the doctor's for example, no matter why you're there. They won't even let you in without a mask. I don't know, I want to protect my family because of people who are vulnerable but...

Honestly I'm finding the whole thing tough, like internal conflict. Many have given up on distancing, plenty of parties, no masks, etc. Now that we're opening up, I know most will be smart but plenty never changed their lifestyle at all throughout the whole thing. Should I just join them all? So many people back to normal and I'm still using caution. I'm not locking myself in my house or anything, but it is front of mind when going out, or avoiding visiting people, etc. Maybe now is the time to enjoy it all in case we see a rise cases again? If they dont rise, great, happy days.

I dunno, in anything else if others werent pulling their weight, you could just saw f**k it, I wont bother either. But that's not an option. Honestly I wish I'd never read so much about the while situation and just taken my news from government briefings. Ignorance could have been bliss.

is_that_so wrote: »

Italy back in the news again. It's the Bulgarians!



https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/jun/26/coronavirus-live-news-cases-rise-in-27-us-states-as-cdc-estimates-20m-americans-may-have-been-infected?page=with:block-5ef5e1d48f08e14b3082a90d#block-5ef5e1d48f08e14b3082a90d

its the lax work and living regulation

The largest study of paediatric COVID-19 in Europe has just been published in the Lancet.

The study is the first multinational, multicentre study in children with COVID-19, and provides a detailed overview on SARS-CoV-2 infection in children in Europe during the initial peak of the pandemic, which was facilitated by a collaboration of 82 units across 25 European countries. The study has several key findings. First, the data show that COVID-19 is generally a mild disease in children, including infants. Second, the study found that a substantial proportion (8%) of children develop severe disease, requiring intensive care support and prolonged ventilation. Several predisposing factors for requiring intensive care support were identified. Third, the study confirms that fatal outcome is rare in children.

It included data from Crumlin and Temple Street.

COVID-19 in children and adolescents in Europe: a multinational, multicentre cohort study





Violin plots showing the age distribution of patients by requirement of ICU support. Each circle represents a patient. The solid lines represent the medians and dashed lines represent IQRs. ICU=intensive care unit. There are very few admissions to ICU between the ages of 2 and 8, the majority of severe cases seem to be neonates.

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Honestly I'm finding the whole thing tough, like internal conflict. Many have given up on distancing, plenty of parties, no masks, etc. Now that we're opening up, I know most will be smart but plenty never changed their lifestyle at all throughout the whole thing. Should I just join them all? So many people back to normal and I'm still using caution. I'm not locking myself in my house or anything, but it is front of mind when going out, or avoiding visiting people, etc. Maybe now is the time to enjoy it all in case we see a rise cases again? If they dont rise, great, happy days.

I dunno, in anything else if others werent pulling their weight, you could just saw f**k it, I wont bother either. But that's not an option. Honestly I wish I'd never read so much about the while situation and just taken my news from government briefings. Ignorance could have been bliss.

I think it is harder pyschologically for a lot people coming out of restrictions then going into them. Make your own decisions dont base them on nameless members of the public they dont know your situation. If it is still hard why not just revert back to what you were doing ...going into restrictions at the case level for your area. Use this as a holding pattern until you make up your own mind. Dont be to hard on yourself. There is alot more to weigh up for some households/indidvuals.
You obviously have taken a lot of information on board from different sources. So take eg. a walk, distract yourself, do something that destresses your self and raises your energy and then maybe write down the questions you need your own answers for and they will arrive from inside you. Hope this helps a bit.