Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

schmoo2k · 26-06-2020 10:54AM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

For how much longer will the numbers keep decreasing or not start increasing again when pubs are allowed to open up and guidelines are flouted as many seem to be stating will happen? Same story with the muppets (I`m not referring to those with a genuine medical reason) who will refuse to wear masks on public transport even after they are made mandatory.

The numbers are going to increase - especially when your getting to very low numbers like we are in Ireland. But we need to reopen and we need to be able to react quickly to localised flare ups - its all a balancing act now.

schmoo2k · 26-06-2020 10:54AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Is it decreasing as the dead people are freeing up beds, we've had a few deaths nearly every day.

Technically yes.

But also because people get better and leave (more so).

schmoo2k · 26-06-2020 10:55AM

klub44 wrote: »

Is there any checkpoint on M1 border? I have to collect few car parts this Sunday on the other side.

Dunno about the checkpoint - but technically its not allowed until Monday.

Boggles · 26-06-2020 10:55AM

polesheep wrote: »

Here's my reason for not wearing a mask: I don't want to wear one. For months now I have endured severe restrictions on my lifestyle for the sake of those who were considered vulnerable to the virus. I feel that I have done my bit and if people from the vulnerable cohort still feel at risk then they will have to cocoon. I am not prepared to live my life based on the level of risk to certain others indefinitely. And that includes wearing a mask. You can use any label you like to describe me, I can assure that I am indifferent to it.

Edgy.

shinzon · 26-06-2020 10:56AM

polesheep wrote: »

Here's my reason for not wearing a mask: I don't want to wear one. For months now I have endured severe restrictions on my lifestyle for the sake of those who were considered vulnerable to the virus. I feel that I have done my bit and if people from the vulnerable cohort still feel at risk then they will have to cocoon. I am not prepared to live my life based on the level of risk to certain others indefinitely. And that includes wearing a mask. You can use any label you like to describe me, I can assure that I am indifferent to it.

Guess you wont be getting on a bus or train anytime soon then. Seriously what a load of rubbish youve just spouted there. God it must be a massive inconvenience for you to put a bit of cloth over your gob and nose cause you think youve done your bit

Newsflash the more people think like you the more you may have to do more of your bit down the road.

Just put the damn mask on and get off your pedestal.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Shin

podgeandrodge · 26-06-2020 11:01AM

schmoo2k wrote: »

Would you wear one if you were visiting folks in a Hospital / Nursing home or just vulnerable friends? (Its voluntary, but I know I would)

Would you wear one if you were hopping onto a plane to London and getting the tube to the city during rush hour? (Yes - you have to by law)

Would you wear one sitting on a beach? (I wouldn't)

My point is, its not an all or nothing thing and like washing hands there are times you do it a lot and times you don't need to.

My thoughts on above questions are:

Yes, if visiting a hospital/nursing home as I think I have an obligation to the residents and they cannot avoid me

Not sure about the plane if given a choice (I currently have a bit of faith in the filtration), but if mandatory it's mandatory so it's not for debate. I would on public transport because you are cooked up with people for a period without any proper filtration of air.

Not on a beach (or going for a quick shop in the supermarket, given that there have been only tiny instances of supermarket staff getting virus, and if there was asymptomatic transmission going on in any great numbers we would have far more cases right now)

I think washing hands and social distancing within reason is key. But I will defer to a pint in due course at the risk of some distancing. It's a risk I feel obliged to take!

Micky 32 · 26-06-2020 11:02AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Look over at the who's travelling to Spain forum and you'll see who the real muppets are, it's not me and the boys going down for a pint in the beer garden.
We're going back to lockdown, it's inevitable now and it'll be all a result of these gob****es flying all over Europe for summer holidays.

I’d be more worried about people jumping on buses and trains travelling and holidaying throughout Ireland when restrictions are lifted next week.

gipi · 26-06-2020 11:03AM

klub44 wrote: »

Is there any checkpoint on M1 border? I have to collect few car parts this Sunday on the other side.

I was at a dentist in Newry twice in the past fortnight, saw no checkpoints on either side of the invisible line

Rob A. Bank · 26-06-2020 11:04AM

Bubbles within bubbles within a bubble, as F1 teams gear up for season start !

“The Formula One paddock will be a bubble,” said Mekies. “But inside... you will have an individual bubble for each team with pretty much no or minimum interaction between a bubble or a team and another.

“So you will not see, as we all like and as you used to see, people from a team having a casual chat with people from another team.

“Inside the team bubble, which is inside the F1 bubble, we will also do more bubbles,” added the Frenchman.

“So you will have probably the car 16 (Charles Leclerc) bubble and the car 5 (Sebastian Vettel) bubble and inside them probably engineers and mechanics and so forth.”

The separation means anyone who tests positive will have had limited contact with others, with tested stand-ins ready to be slotted in if needed.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-motor-f1-ferrari/bubbles-within-bubbles-as-f1-teams-gear-up-for-season-start-idUSKBN23W3KS

Boggles · 26-06-2020 11:09AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

I’d be more worried about people jumping on buses and trains travelling and holidaying throughout Ireland when restrictions are lifted next week.

Think of Europe as a bigger version of Ireland, think of airplanes and boats as buses and trains, then imagine they have buses and trains in other European countries.

It's the exact same as your worry, but just scaled up much larger.

polesheep · 26-06-2020 11:11AM

schmoo2k wrote: »

Would you wear one if you were visiting folks in a Hospital / Nursing home or just vulnerable friends? (Its voluntary, but I know I would)

Would you wear one if you were hopping onto a plane to London and getting the tube to the city during rush hour? (Yes - you have to by law)

Would you wear one sitting on a beach? (I wouldn't)

My point is, its not an all or nothing thing and like washing hands there are times you do it a lot and times you don't need to.

I would wear one for the specific purpose outlined above. The people in the hospital/nursing home are on their patch.

polesheep · 26-06-2020 11:12AM

shinzon wrote: »

Guess you wont be getting on a bus or train anytime soon then. Seriously what a load of rubbish youve just spouted there. God it must be a massive inconvenience for you to put a bit of cloth over your gob and nose cause you think youve done your bit

Newsflash the more people think like you the more you may have to do more of your bit down the road.

Just put the damn mask on and get off your pedestal.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Shin

I'm not on a pedestal. Nor, like you, am I trying to tell others what to do. I'm merely acting for myself.

polesheep · 26-06-2020 11:13AM

Boggles wrote: »

Edgy.

As I said, I am indifferent to labels.

Juwwi · 26-06-2020 11:13AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

What a stupid post.

I take it your another of the Im not wearing a mask there is no law to make me brigade .

Micky 32 · 26-06-2020 11:15AM

Juwwi wrote: »

I take it your another of the Im not wearing a mask there is no law to make me brigade .

I wear a mask in enclosed public areas especially when shopping for the auld pair. Wrong assumption there.

What Username Guidelines · 26-06-2020 11:15AM

polesheep wrote: »

Here's my reason for not wearing a mask: I don't want to wear one. For months now I have endured severe restrictions on my lifestyle for the sake of those who were considered vulnerable to the virus. I feel that I have done my bit and if people from the vulnerable cohort still feel at risk then they will have to cocoon. I am not prepared to live my life based on the level of risk to certain others indefinitely. And that includes wearing a mask. You can use any label you like to describe me, I can assure that I am indifferent to it.

Worries me how often I see this attitude. I’ve done my bit, it’s over, I’m gonna go live my life as I did before.

If it was that simple there wouldn’t be an issue. How people do not realise the outcomes of our actions, and can be so narrow minded, is astounding.

If everyone masks up where recommended and takes precaution, a semblance of normal life is possible. If everyone thinks “hey hospitals weren’t overrun so it’s over” and continues on as normal, yes it will spread, yes vulnerable will be at risk, but if we were to lose grip on this thing again it effects everyone, the economy, everything.

I’m not saying we can fully eradicate it, but being able to do something as simple as put on a mask which can slow it to manageable level will have massive benefits for everyone.

stephenjmcd · 26-06-2020 11:17AM

Juwwi wrote: »

I take it your another of the Im not wearing a mask there is no law to make me brigade .

Why does everyone have to be in a "brigade" ?? At this very moment its not mandatory, if someone doesn't want to wear one they won't wear one, if they want to wear one they will.

There might be a reason they can't wear one, so I wouldn't be jumping to oh their anti mask when you don't know someone's personal circumstances

Micky 32 · 26-06-2020 11:18AM

Boggles wrote: »

Think of Europe as a bigger version of Ireland, think of airplanes and boats as buses and trains, then imagine they have buses and trains in other European countries.

It's the exact same as your worry, but just scaled up much larger.

It doesn’t matter. The virus is still within Ireland and when everyone starts travelling around Ireland in stuffy buses and the like people going abroad to equally virus supressed countries won’t make much difference.

It’s interesting that NI borders were fully open to mainland UK with no quarantine and yet only a few cases a day.

polesheep · 26-06-2020 11:22AM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Worries me how often I see this attitude. I’ve done my bit, it’s over, I’m gonna go live my life as I did before.

If it was that simple there wouldn’t be an issue. How people do not realise the outcomes of our actions, and can be so narrow minded, is astounding.

If everyone masks up where recommended and takes precaution, a semblance of normal life is possible. If everyone thinks “hey hospitals weren’t overrun so it’s over” and continues on as normal, yes it will spread, yes vulnerable will be at risk, but if we were to lose grip on this thing again it effects everyone, the economy, everything.

I’m not saying we can fully eradicate it, but being able to do something as simple as put on a mask which can slow it to manageable level will have massive benefits for everyone.

I am sorry that you feel worried, but it is time that we properly targeted the risks and restricted the vulnerable until there is a vaccine.

ACitizenErased · 26-06-2020 11:26AM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Bubbles within bubbles within a bubble, as F1 teams gear up for season start !

“The Formula One paddock will be a bubble,” said Mekies. “But inside... you will have an individual bubble for each team with pretty much no or minimum interaction between a bubble or a team and another.

“So you will not see, as we all like and as you used to see, people from a team having a casual chat with people from another team.

“Inside the team bubble, which is inside the F1 bubble, we will also do more bubbles,” added the Frenchman.

“So you will have probably the car 16 (Charles Leclerc) bubble and the car 5 (Sebastian Vettel) bubble and inside them probably engineers and mechanics and so forth.”

The separation means anyone who tests positive will have had limited contact with others, with tested stand-ins ready to be slotted in if needed.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-motor-f1-ferrari/bubbles-within-bubbles-as-f1-teams-gear-up-for-season-start-idUSKBN23W3KS

I have been waiting the whole year for the F1 to start, I don’t care how they do it, just do it!!

Boggles · 26-06-2020 11:32AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

It doesn’t matter. The virus is still within Ireland and when everyone starts travelling around Ireland in stuffy buses and the like people going abroad to equally virus supressed countries won’t make much difference.

It's about scale, it's your exact "worry" but bigger.

Micky 32 wrote: »

It’s interesting that NI borders were fully open to mainland UK with no quarantine and yet only a few cases a day.

Do you think that is interesting?

What were passenger numbers from the mainland compared to the corresponding period last year?

26-06-2020 11:34AM

polesheep wrote: »

Here's my reason for not wearing a mask: I don't want to wear one. For months now I have endured severe restrictions on my lifestyle for the sake of those who were considered vulnerable to the virus. I feel that I have done my bit and if people from the vulnerable cohort still feel at risk then they will have to cocoon. I am not prepared to live my life based on the level of risk to certain others indefinitely. And that includes wearing a mask. You can use any label you like to describe me, I can assure that I am indifferent to it.

You've had to endure such severe restrictions because masks weren't used. Where I live, they were mandated pretty quickly and I never had limits etc. Now life is fully back to normal and has been for over two months.

Micky 32 · 26-06-2020 11:37AM

Boggles wrote: »

It's about scale, it's your exact "worry" but bigger.

Do you think that is interesting?

What were passenger numbers from the mainland compared to the corresponding period last year?

More bollox. Picture this. Johnny and Mary with a cough from Dublin hop on a bus to Galway. They infect the bus passengers who get off at different points around the country. Then with their wild weekend in Galway the people of Galway get infected so in theory it all kicks off again.

It won’t make much difference then. Your argument would be valid if Ireland was virus free but it’s not and never will be.

hmmm · 26-06-2020 11:38AM

This finding is so extraordinary I don't know where to begin. Needs lots of review, pre-print, no peer reviews etc., but it's going to cause a stir.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.13.20129627v1
"All samples
came out to be negative for the presence of SARS-CoV-2 genomes with the exception
of March 12, 2019, in which both IP2 and IP4 target assays were positive. This striking
finding indicates circulation of the virus in Barcelona long before the report of any
COVID-19 case worldwide. "

Boggles · 26-06-2020 11:41AM

hmmm wrote: »

This finding is so extraordinary I don't know where to begin. Needs lots of review, pre-print, no peer reviews etc., but it's going to cause a stir.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.13.20129627v1
"All samples
came out to be negative for the presence of SARS-CoV-2 genomes with the exception
of March 12, 2019, in which both IP2 and IP4 target assays were positive. This striking
finding indicates circulation of the virus in Barcelona long before the report of any
COVID-19 case worldwide. "

How long before?

March 2019?

Hmmmmmm.

Goldengirl · 26-06-2020 11:41AM

Drumpot wrote: »

You can find good deals in Ireland if you look for them. I will be Staying in a beautiful massive house with my family for less then 130e a night In Wexford. There’s a lot available in different parts at reasonable prices. It’s no less expensive then the accommodation we were getting in France that wasn’t a house!

We usually go abroad for the weather, don’t believe it’s wise now with all the uncertainty going on. I’d rather be closer to home if something changes or one of my family gets a bad dose.

Yes . We have decided to split our holidays into short breaks in Ireland this year . Houses good value with families but you need to be near the sea for swimming with kids and a lot are booked up already .
But will suck it up this year, don't have the need or desire to go on a plane just yet .

26-06-2020 11:43AM

If it's found to have been around before Wuhan, then the whole idea that it started in China is gone.

hmmm · 26-06-2020 11:46AM

Boggles wrote: »

How long before?

March 2019?

Hmmmmmm.

Their data has a series of samples from 2019, and there is one positive result from March and none from the rest of the year.

Makes no sense at all, this is why we need peer review.

polesheep · 26-06-2020 11:48AM

Deleted User wrote: »

You've had to endure such severe restrictions because masks weren't used. Where I live, they were mandated pretty quickly and I never had limits etc. Now life is fully back to normal and has been for over two months.

I disagree. I believe that I had to endure restrictions because it was not considered acceptable to only restrict the vulnerable.

normanoffside · 26-06-2020 11:50AM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Is that a fact? Well strangely enough not all of us have our heads in the sand and believe that the virus has been eradicated when it hasn`t.

If you want I will post up some of your ‘predictions’ from the last few months, which by the way have all proven to be completely wrong.

I don’t think any of your predictions have actually proven to be correct.

Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

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