Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

Icantthinkof1 · 26-06-2020 12:07PM

hmmm wrote: »

This finding is so extraordinary I don't know where to begin. Needs lots of review, pre-print, no peer reviews etc., but it's going to cause a stir.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.13.20129627v1
"All samples
came out to be negative for the presence of SARS-CoV-2 genomes with the exception
of March 12, 2019, in which both IP2 and IP4 target assays were positive. This striking
finding indicates circulation of the virus in Barcelona long before the report of any
COVID-19 case worldwide. "

Did I hear somewhere that our water is being tested also?

ACitizenErased · 26-06-2020 12:10PM

hmmm wrote: »

This finding is so extraordinary I don't know where to begin. Needs lots of review, pre-print, no peer reviews etc., but it's going to cause a stir.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.13.20129627v1
"All samples
came out to be negative for the presence of SARS-CoV-2 genomes with the exception
of March 12, 2019, in which both IP2 and IP4 target assays were positive. This striking
finding indicates circulation of the virus in Barcelona long before the report of any
COVID-19 case worldwide. "

That is incredible, holy crap.

cnocbui · 26-06-2020 12:11PM

Deleted User wrote: »

If it's found to have been around before Wuhan, then the whole idea that it started in China is gone.

The Chinese have been so intent on hacking hospitals and medical research facilities and the government in Australia, I wouldn't believe any research that suddenly and conveniently pops up showing SARS-2 out and about in March 2019 in Europe, for instance. It's all done on computers.

In Texas just now, a family had a surprise birthday party and then 18 of them became infected. Then there was that one choir member in California who infected almost every other choir member in a single choir practice.

This is so infectious that common sense should inform anyone that if it was out and about in Spain more than a year ago, it would have spread like wildfire in Spain, not just pop up in Wuhan almost a year later.

China is such a bad and belligerant actor at the moment, on so many fronts, that the parallel that most readily springs to mind is Germany just prior to WW2.

thecretinhop · 26-06-2020 12:12PM

Deleted User wrote: »

If it's found to have been around before Wuhan, then the whole idea that it started in China is gone.

wat? it means they lied about it and new months ago.

What Username Guidelines · 26-06-2020 12:14PM

polesheep wrote: »

I am sorry that you feel worried, but it is time that we properly targeted the risks and restricted the vulnerable until there is a vaccine.

Simple way to do that, stick on a mask and we can go back to almost normal. The quicker everyone does it, the easier it will all be. Right now we're just dragging it out and enduring more hardship with a 'see how it goes opening stuff'.

polesheep wrote: »

I disagree. I believe that I had to endure restrictions because it was not considered acceptable to only restrict the vulnerable.

There are thousands in Ireland vulnerable before covid who had to restrict their movement and be overly cautious due to medical conditions. If it was as simple as restrict the vulnerable it would have been done from day one. Assuming the problem will just go away if vulnerable stay home is narrow-minded and not looking at the bigger, and longer term, picture.

26-06-2020 12:20PM

thecretinhop wrote: »

wat? it means they lied about it and new months ago.

If it's found to have been in Barcelona in March 2019, then it's impossible to link it to China. About the only thing you can do is try to blame them for it mutating into a deadlier form inside their borders, and that's just plain retarded.

cnocbui will go down the conspiracy route to blame China instead of accepting that if it existed in March 2019, then no one will ever know where it started.

Icantthinkof1 · 26-06-2020 12:35PM

There’s no way Covid could have been in circulation in Europe since March’19?! Like how?! It makes zero sense

Boggles · 26-06-2020 12:35PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

More bollox. Picture this. Johnny and Mary with a cough from Dublin hop on a bus to Galway. They infect the bus passengers who get off at different points around the country. Then with their wild weekend in Galway the people of Galway get infected so in theory it all kicks off again.

It won’t make much difference then. Your argument would be valid if Ireland was virus free but it’s not and never will be.

Jesus, I'm finding it hard to see what you are struggling with but we will keep at your pace.

John and Mary from Dublin are far less likely to have the Virus then Tom and Nora from Manchester.

Tom and Nora fly into Dublin and take a trip to Galway, infecting on their way.

But Tom and Nora are presymptomatic and don't develop symptoms until they are back in Manchester.

Now you have several cases of unknown community spread that we can't trace.

Why do you think certain countries and blocs are setting up air bridges?

is_that_so · 26-06-2020 12:41PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

In pre pandemic Ireland we had 90+ deaths a day.

Oh, they are still happening, we just don't care about them!

Micky 32 · 26-06-2020 12:41PM

Boggles wrote: »

Jesus, I'm finding it hard to see what you are struggling with but we will keep at your pace.

John and Mary from Dublin are far less likely to have the Virus then Tom and Nora from Manchester.

Tom and Nora fly into Dublin and take a trip to Galway, infecting on their way.

But Tom and Nora are presymptomatic and don't develop symptoms until they are back in Manchester.

Now you have several cases of unknown community spread that we can't trace.

Why do you think certain countries and blocs are setting up air bridges?

Once again you’re twisting my words like you did the last time.

Read my posts. I said to countries that EQUALY HAVE BEEN SUCCESFULLY SUPRESSING IT LIKE OURSELVES. I’m sorry about the capitals but you seemed to have missed that part in my previous posts. The government have said quarantine remains for high risk countries.

Anyway whether you like it or not air bridges are going to happen so i suggest getting used to the idea.

Boggles · 26-06-2020 12:42PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Once again you’re twisting my words like you did the last time.

Read my posts. I said to countries that EQUALY HAVE BEEN SUCCESFULLY SUPRESSING IT LIKE OURSELVES. I’m sorry about the capitals but you seemed to have missed that part in previous posts.

Anyway whether you like it or not air bridges are going to happen so i suggest getting used to the idea.

Yep, there is no one twisting your words.

You are failing to grasp your own concept, I have just scaled it up for you.

Ficheall · 26-06-2020 12:43PM

polesheep wrote: »

Here's my reason for not wearing a mask: I don't want to wear one. For months now I have endured severe restrictions on my lifestyle for the sake of those who were considered vulnerable to the virus. I feel that I have done my bit and if people from the vulnerable cohort still feel at risk then they will have to cocoon. I am not prepared to live my life based on the level of risk to certain others indefinitely. And that includes wearing a mask. You can use any label you like to describe me, I can assure that I am indifferent to it.

I have decided to stop wearing pants.

hmmm · 26-06-2020 12:43PM

Icantthinkof1 wrote: »

There’s no way Covid could have been in circulation in Europe since March’19?! Like how?! It makes zero sense

It's not actually Covid they found, it's the virus that causes Covid. So I suppose in theory the virus might have been around for a while and then mutated to a form which could cause Covid.

I think it's far more likely this finding is incorrect.

What Username Guidelines · 26-06-2020 12:43PM

Deleted User wrote: »

If it's found to have been in Barcelona in March 2019, then it's impossible to link it to China. About the only thing you can do is try to blame them for it mutating into a deadlier form inside their borders, and that's just plain retarded.

cnocbui will go down the conspiracy route to blame China instead of accepting that if it existed in March 2019, then no one will ever know where it started.

They must be very sure of their methodologies. I assumed it would have been put down as a false positive easily if it was >1 year old, but they must have quadruple checked their work. If it has since mutated into something more lethal, could it have been circulating and not noticed as it was just considered a cold? This thing is fascinating.

ACitizenErased · 26-06-2020 12:43PM

Icantthinkof1 wrote: »

There’s no way Covid could have been in circulation in Europe since March’19?! Like how?! It makes zero sense

The preprint shows that COVID-19 wasn’t found, the virus “SARS-COVI-2” was found.

Micky 32 · 26-06-2020 12:44PM

Boggles wrote: »

Yep, there is no one twisting your words.

You are failing to grasp your own concept, I have just scaled it up for you.

No it’s obvious you are clueless. If you go to a country that has similiar infections you are no more likely catching it on a bus there than you are here.

I advise you to accept travelling is going to happen whether you like it or not.

Boggles · 26-06-2020 12:45PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

No it’s obvious you are clueless.

:pac:

Keep on trucking lad.

You are killing it.

Micky 32 · 26-06-2020 12:49PM

Boggles wrote: »

:pac:

Keep on trucking lad.

You are killing it.

You should read posts properly them maybe you might grasp what i’m talking about. Keep trucking yourself.

Boggles · 26-06-2020 12:50PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

You should read posts properly them maybe you might grasp what i’m talking about. Keep trucking yourself.

You are actively arguing with your own posts.

Always a good time to put the internet down for a bit.

Have a good one.

Micky 32 · 26-06-2020 12:52PM

Boggles wrote: »

You are actively arguing with your own posts.

Always a good time to put the internet down for a bit.

Have a good one.

Me? You are making things up that aren’t even in posts. That’s usually a symptom of being on the internet too long, i suggest you take your own advice.

Btw show me where i argued with my own posts, clearly a WUM.

s1ippy · 26-06-2020 12:52PM

polesheep wrote: »

Here's my reason for not wearing a mask: I don't want to wear one. For months now I have endured severe restrictions on my lifestyle for the sake of those who were considered vulnerable to the virus. I feel that I have done my bit and if people from the vulnerable cohort still feel at risk then they will have to cocoon. I am not prepared to live my life based on the level of risk to certain others indefinitely. And that includes wearing a mask. You can use any label you like to describe me, I can assure that I am indifferent to it.

I can think of a few labels.

is_that_so · 26-06-2020 12:53PM

s1ippy wrote: »

I can think of a few labels.

Now, I thought we were going to work on this - this not judging thing!:D

26-06-2020 12:58PM

hmmm wrote: »

It's not actually Covid they found, it's the virus that causes Covid. So I suppose in theory the virus might have been around for a while and then mutated to a form which could cause Covid.

I think it's far more likely this finding is incorrect.

Would that be the same virus they'd expect the bat or pangolin in Wuhan to have had?

is_that_so · 26-06-2020 01:01PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Would that be the same virus they'd expect the bat or pangolin in Wuhan to have had?

Pangolins are off the hook now for this but they still don't know what it was!

cnocbui · 26-06-2020 01:04PM

Deleted User wrote: »

If it's found to have been in Barcelona in March 2019, then it's impossible to link it to China. About the only thing you can do is try to blame them for it mutating into a deadlier form inside their borders, and that's just plain retarded.

cnocbui will go down the conspiracy route to blame China instead of accepting that if it existed in March 2019, then no one will ever know where it started.

In a rare joint advisory, security agencies in the U.S. and United Kingdom warned last week that unnamed nation-state cyber actors were targeting "health care bodies, pharmaceutical companies, academia, medical research organizations and local governments." The agencies urged employees of those organizations to harden their passwords and implement two-factor authentication to protect against the most common attacks.

Private cybersecurity firms and U.S. government agencies have observed that Russia, China, Iran and North Korea have all escalated cyber activity, as well as disinformation efforts related to the coronavirus.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/chinese-hackers-united-states-coronavirus-research-fbi-dhs/

Chinese researchers have already been suborned by the state to produce research aimed at laying the blame elsewhere.

If you think Chinese hacking is limited to the minds of conspiracy theorists, well that's your prerogative, but I will continue to view anything in line with China's previous and more obvious attempts at deflection, with considerable suspicion.

26-06-2020 01:07PM

cnocbui wrote: »

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/chinese-hackers-united-states-coronavirus-research-fbi-dhs/

Chinese researchers have already been suborned by the state to produce research aimed at laying the blame elsewhere.

If you think Chinese hacking is limited to the minds of conspiracy theorists, well that's your prerogative, but I will continue to view anything in line with China's previous and more obvious attempts at deflection, with considerable suspicion.

If you are going to view any evidence of Covid-19 existing elsewhere before Wuhan as Chinese hacking, then you should dial down the suspicion.

Hector Savage · 26-06-2020 01:08PM

hmmm wrote: »

This finding is so extraordinary I don't know where to begin. Needs lots of review, pre-print, no peer reviews etc., but it's going to cause a stir.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.13.20129627v1
"All samples
came out to be negative for the presence of SARS-CoV-2 genomes with the exception
of March 12, 2019, in which both IP2 and IP4 target assays were positive. This striking
finding indicates circulation of the virus in Barcelona long before the report of any
COVID-19 case worldwide. "

Utter bollocks - study sponsored by the CCNP Ministry of the People's Great Understaning of Science to Make China Great Again!!!

Pulsating Star · 26-06-2020 01:10PM

Deleted User wrote: »

If it's found to have been in Barcelona in March 2019, then it's impossible to link it to China. About the only thing you can do is try to blame them for it mutating into a deadlier form inside their borders, and that's just plain retarded.

Ha, well they do have a rep for taking western tech and making it better!

polesheep · 26-06-2020 01:12PM

s1ippy wrote: »

I can think of a few labels.

You have already made your position clear regarding your preparedness to keep the entire population under the cosh in order to protect those you care for. It is an unreasonable and unrealistic objective.

Goldengirl · 26-06-2020 01:17PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

If it's found to have been in Barcelona in March 2019, then it's impossible to link it to China. About the only thing you can do is try to blame them for it mutating into a deadlier form inside their borders, and that's just plain retarded.

cnocbui will go down the conspiracy route to blame China instead of accepting that if it existed in March 2019, then no one will ever know where it started.

Not into the conspiracy theories , but on the point of China , we will never know how long it was circulating there before they released news of their epidemic in Wuhan.
And have we heard anything about the Chinese testing their sewage to find that out , as other countries are ? No . They have been very careful to only release data for research that shows them in a favourable light .
And they have not been open about how the lead up to Wuhan was handled .
So for all we know milder version of this virus may well have been circulating through all infected countries months earlier , but has mutated into the present more infectious strain.

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