Ozark [Netflix] (SPOILERS)

cloudatlas · 31-05-2020 8:37pm

cloudatlas wrote: »

I've just finished season 1. The acting is great. The one thing that has bothered me is how fast they've become accustomed to their new life and trials. In that respect I feel that Breaking Bad was more realistic, you could see the slow shift over the series of the characters into moral depravity or dubiousness. Last night episode the first of season 2 was the first time that Wendy questioned any of it. I suppose the plot is so fast paced that they are subject to the plot and there is little time to rock back and forth in a corner crying so to speak.

Okay so I'm at the end of season 2 and there is a lot more emotion and a role reversal. Really enjoying it, excellent. The direction is superb, the drone shots, the tracking shots when they walk around the house, fantastic.

cloudatlas · 26-06-2020 10:03am

Right so I finally finished season 3.

Wow the writing, the acting!

I especially love how it has several strong female leads who just consistently knock it out of the park,sorry but the men are just accessory characters at this stage.

The directing and cinematography is out of this world, there is one scene where Ruth is talking to the cartel hit man and you only see him in the car rear view mirror. Little moments like that.

They've set season 4 up to be a cracker.

26-06-2020 10:19am

cloudatlas wrote: »

I especially love how it has several strong female leads who just consistently knock it out of the park,sorry but the men are just accessory characters at this stage.

In terms of time devoted, actions, and pushing story forward? Completely agree. Marty is an automaton and, on his own, would be boring AF. He would also not have been able to make enough money.

But

The glue holding all the pieces together is, still, Marty. He is, just about, curbing Wendy's excesses. She's ambitious but very very reckless and, without stabilising of Marty, she would be dead.
Ruth is still green but she will be much closer to Marty than Wendy (IMHO). She flies off the top but is as savvy, as Marty, and you can see that he is working her to control her temper.

cloudatlas · 26-06-2020 10:45am

khaldrogo wrote: »

Does Julia Garner have any sort of scoliosis???

That could be a character affect, she's that good.

pixelburp · 26-06-2020 10:54am

Yes, I think the central conflict within the whole show is Marty vs. Wendy: as said Marty might seem unemotional and robotic but he's careful, cautious and properly understands the risks at play here. Worth remembering the whole show started with Marty seconds from a very grisly death. We saw emotion then as he very hastily cobbled together a plan. He knows full well what's at stake and sees a careful, inching towards something resembling security. The Gold Coast for a while, before Wendy's ambition blew that up.

Wendy's previous life was as an operator for a political campaign: she's hardwired towards making outsized, very public plays or manoeuvres. She's trying to work the drug trade like it's Politics. She SAYS she wants her family safe but it's nonsense really. She's addicted to the thrill of the chase, juggling the constant spinning plates and trying to stay ahead of the curve. Her ambition has pushed her to the top of the table and beside the ear of Navarro. She thinks it's safety but it's the complete opposite - as the very last moment of Season 3 demonstrated.

Maybe, maybe the events of Season 3 might finally ram home the cost & stakes at play, but honestly? I didn't expect that. Now,

the death of Ben and Helen

arguably happened too quickly for anyone to process, but I still expect Wendy to think she can strategise her way out of things. Meanwhile, Marty will do his best to keep things afloat and clean up Wendy's excesses.

They're both awful people, but coming from very different points of view. Marty's hand was forced towards this life - Wendy embraced it, and in her arrogance that she could somehow mould it to suit her, paid a very high price.

cloudatlas · 26-06-2020 10:54am

Deleted User wrote: »

In terms of time devoted, actions, and pushing story forward? Completely agree. Marty is an automaton and, on his own, would be boring AF. He would also not have been able to make enough money.

But

The glue holding all the pieces together is, still, Marty. He is, just about, curbing Wendy's excesses. She's ambitious but very very reckless and, without stabilising of Marty, she would be dead.
Ruth is still green but she will be much closer to Marty than Wendy (IMHO). She flies off the top but is as savvy, as Marty, and you can see that he is working her to control her temper.

There are plenty of characters making decisions independent of Marty.Wendy when she starts to get more involved in the business, Helen, Darlene and Ruth in the end.

Wendy is the one who is cool headed and adds more 'legitimate' businesses to their portfolio and she picks up the pieces after Marty kills Mason and goes off the deep end a little. There's a bit of role reversal.

pixelburp · 26-06-2020 11:28am

Wendy is arrogant: the play for legitimate businesses is under the mistaken belief Navarro can be tamed, that he can be steered or managed under some promise of an easy life or legal wealth for his family. Heck, she just rings him up like it's nothing, even Helen isn't that full of hubris. Navarro is a monster at war, someone steeped in the blood of his choices. She thinks she can outmanoeuvre a beast like that, whereas Marty understood the stakes from Day 1. He's not blameless and has himself gone off the rails at points, but if we chart overall trends he has taken the safer path in general compared with his wife.

cloudatlas · 26-06-2020 12:03pm

pixelburp wrote: »

Wendy is arrogant: the play for legitimate businesses is under the mistaken belief Navarro can be tamed, that he can be steered or managed under some promise of an easy life or legal wealth for his family. Heck, she just rings him up like it's nothing, even Helen isn't that full of hubris. Navarro is a monster at war, someone steeped in the blood of his choices. She thinks she can outmanoeuvre a beast like that, whereas Marty understood the stakes from Day 1. He's not blameless and has himself gone off the rails at points, but if we chart overall trends he has taken the safer path in general compared with his wife.

There's shades of the Skylar hate here. The wife is anti the business (Skylar).... she's a b*tch or if she is complicit (Wendy) and goes along with it then she is a b*tch. I know you didn't use the word b*tch but insert (weak, arrogant, irrational) but it's interesting how it seems the 'wife' characters can never win no matter what.

Marty isn't cool, he hasn't been there to protect people when needed Buddy had to do that, Wendy had to deal with her brother, he promised to protect Ruth, Mason's wife... he finally got Rachel on a plane it would seem but he is quite a weak character beneath it all who has no real control either.

26-06-2020 12:19pm

cloudatlas wrote: »

There's shades of the Skylar hate here. The wife is anti the business (Skylar).... she's a b*tch or if she is complicit (Wendy) and goes along with it then she is a b*tch. I know you didn't use the word b*tch but insert (weak, arrogant, irrational) but it's interesting how it seems the 'wife' characters can never win no matter what.

Marty isn't cool, he hasn't been there to protect people when needed Buddy had to do that, Wendy had to deal with her brother, he promised to protect Ruth, Mason's wife... he finally got Rachel on a plane it would seem but he is quite a weak character beneath it all who has no real control either.

Marty is a prick, he is professionally boring, risk averse, but he is a sociopath who will use people to his own ends all the time.
The show would have died if it was just him, as the restaurant was enough to get him out of a hole.

Wendy is the driver of the show, in fact she is the anti-Skylar. She is the Walter of the show (Marty is not Skylar either, see above). She is the one who went from "respectable" politics to being the right hand of a drug cartel.

Also, no one hates Wendy but she is arrogant and, like Walter, that arrogance is causing a hole lot of trouble

pixelburp · 26-06-2020 12:38pm

cloudatlas wrote: »

There's shades of the Skylar hate here. The wife is anti the business (Skylar).... she's a b*tch or if she is complicit (Wendy) and goes along with it then she is a b*tch. I know you didn't use the word b*tch but insert (weak, arrogant, irrational) but it's interesting how it seems the 'wife' characters can never win no matter what.

Marty isn't cool, he hasn't been there to protect people when needed Buddy had to do that, Wendy had to deal with her brother, he promised to protect Ruth, Mason's wife... he finally got Rachel on a plane it would seem but he is quite a weak character beneath it all who has no real control either.

:rolleyes: Sigh. Come on. Don't try and spin my thoughts as some tacit prejudice. This is not a particularly subtle show in terms of its characters' actions or motivations. It's part of its charm. The series doesn't go in for subtext and its main cast are mostly architects of their own downfall. Nobody's "winning".

The core is a parental unit of two terrible people, whose respective terribleness comes from two totally opposing strategies in trying to deal with their involvement in the Drug Trade. Marty's based on keeping a low profile, working the stats; latterday Wendy instead trying to assert control of the scenario. In your comparison, she's Walter White here, not Skylar. Season 3 was the wall where she discovered just how vicious Navarro truly was.

Wendy was a reluctant partner at the start of Ozarks plan, very much a "wing and a prayer" born from desperation prior to imminent death. The horse-trading around the casino acquisition seemed to awaken something in her, dormant perhaps since her political career was sidelined. And yes, there's an element of hubris in thinking she could manage Navarro's whims using her savvy, like he was an ordinary figure of civilian power. That's not about weakness, nor irrationality, but presuming her skillset worked in this situation. Helen understood Navarro is a beast, working with the tides, not trying to steer them.

But let's park any snide reduction that this is about a hated "the wife" character; Wendy's flaw was thinking she was ever in control of the situation.

cloudatlas · 26-06-2020 2:38pm

pixelburp wrote: »

:rolleyes: Sigh. Come one. Don't try and spin my thoughts as some tacit prejudice. This is not a particularly subtle show in terms of its characters' actions or motivations. It's part of its charm. The series doesn't go in for subtext and its main cast are mostly architects of their own downfall. Nobody's "winning".

The core is a parental unit of two terrible people, whose respective terribleness comes from two totally opposing strategies in trying to deal with their involvement in the Drug Trade. Marty's based on keeping a low profile, working the stats; latterday Wendy instead trying to assert control of the scenario. In your comparison, she's Walter White here, not Skylar. Season 3 was the wall where she discovered just how vicious Navarro truly was.

Wendy was a reluctant partner at the start of Ozarks plan, very much a "wing and a prayer" born from desperation prior to imminent death. The horse-trading around the casino acquisition seemed to awaken something in her, dormant perhaps since her political career was sidelined. And yes, there's an element of hubris in thinking she could manage Navarro's whims using her savvy, like he was an ordinary figure of civilian power. That's not about weakness, nor irrationality, but presuming her skillset worked in this situation. Helen understood Navarro is a beast, working with the tides, not trying to steer them.

But let's park any snide reduction that this is about a hated "the wife" character; Wendy's flaw was thinking she was ever in control of the situation.

Yes.... there was a role reversal, Marty was the 'Walter White' character then he killed someone and there was switch. Wendy had to take over, there was no choice, Marty was out. I don't remember him getting the same level of criticism. My point is Marty isn't in control either and just because he is like an 'automaton' after the death doesn't mean he isn't being weak. He can't protect anyone, he sits on his hands and does next to nothing in a lot of situations he isn't a primary actor in the momentum of the plot, he doesn't get away from Navarro in the end somebody else causes something to happen. A lot of the other female characters have equal billing is all I have to say.

pixelburp · 26-06-2020 3:12pm

cloudatlas wrote: »

Yes.... there was a role reversal, Marty was the 'Walter White' character then he killed someone and there was switch. Wendy had to take over, there was no choice, Marty was out. I don't remember him getting the same level of criticism. My point is Marty isn't in control either and just because he is like an 'automaton' after the death doesn't mean he isn't being weak. He can't protect anyone, he sits on his hands and does next to nothing in a lot of situations he isn't a primary actor in the momentum of the plot, he doesn't get away from Navarro in the end somebody else causes something to happen. A lot of the other female characters have equal billing is all I have to say.

Lordy. This isn't a gender thing so how about doing me the courtesy of assuming we're all adults here and don't need to keep score of criticism relative to the character's nominated gender (in a TV show)? The side of the mouth sneering is OTT

Wendy gets the focus because - for all intents and purposes - she's the Prime Byrde now. Even more so given

Helen was murdered; she's Navarro's main contact now

She became it the moment the casino took off and took agency of the narrative. Season 3 showed her overtaking Marty in terms of the Ozark operation; it was about her ambition and where that lead - and its cost. At first the story was about survival, then it became one of ambition. Dissecting hubris is irrespective of the gender.

On Marty, he's emotionally dead so TBH there's less criticism probably because there's a lot less to talk about in the first place. He's a stunted individual. Wendy has layers & passion, Marty kinda has one default setting. His passivity to a clearly heightened scenario went from being an arguable asset to a liability - clearly things were spiralling out of control and as you pointed out, Wendy had to step in. Culminating in a reversion into a childlike state in purchasing that arcade machine. Marty also lost Ruth because of the roboticism - something that will probably come back to haunt him in Season 4. Maybe his very original plan would have panned out but we'll never know.

TL:DR? Wendy's just a more interesting, fascinating character worth talking about. It's as simple as that.

chicken foot · 26-06-2020 3:23pm

My only complaint about this show was Navarro - the role was completely over acted imo and it just felt very "panto" like and actually took away from the series a bit. We;ve seen many cartel shows at this stage, we dont need to Bogey Man to be all loud and shouty - i like them more "Gus Fring"

cloudatlas · 26-06-2020 3:26pm

pixelburp wrote: »

Lordy. This isn't a gender thing so how about doing me the courtesy of assuming we're all adults here and don't need to keep score of criticism relative to the character's nominated gender (in a TV show)? The side of the mouth sneering is OTT

The sneering is all in your head. I'm afraid you have to look at it as 'a gender thing' as it is the only show in a long long time that has had that many key female protagonists that are great actors on the plot so it's inevitable that it would be examined in that way as being a unique show that dispenses with a lot of tired stereotypes and passes the Bechdel test. Just an opinion, no need to get angsty.

pixelburp · 26-06-2020 3:45pm

cloudatlas wrote: »

The sneering is all in your head. I'm afraid you have to look at it as 'a gender thing' as it is the only show in a long long time that has had that many key female protagonists that are great actors on the plot so it's inevitable that it would be examined in that way as being a unique show that dispenses with a lot of tired stereotypes and passes the Bechdel test. Just an opinion, no need to get angsty.

Ehhhhhh now

No angst, this entire exchange literally started with you opining how it was "interesting" that I reckoned Wendy a "bitch" (oh sorry, irrational or weak) because of her actions. You made the leap, that Wendy's arrogance was somehow seen as a weakness pertaining to her gender, that she can't win.

Yes it's interesting that the show's cast is predominantly female, but dissecting or criticising its prime character is not automatically biased based on their gender. If anything it's arguably a fluke of scriptwriting given a lot of its male characters have simply died. Either way it's cool, but doesn't have any relationship with the path of criticising its lead.

Wendy's the main character now, she's getting main character criticism.

There's shades of the Skylar hate here. The wife is anti the business (Skylar).... she's a b*tch or if she is complicit (Wendy) and goes along with it then she is a b*tch. I know you didn't use the word b*tch but insert (weak, arrogant, irrational) but it's interesting how it seems the 'wife' characters can never win no matter what.

cloudatlas · 26-06-2020 3:59pm

pixelburp wrote: »

Ehhhhhh now No angst, this entire exchange literally started with you opining how it was "interesting" that I reckoned Wendy a "bitch" (oh sorry, irrational or weak) because of her involvement. You made the leap, that Wendy's arrogance was somehow seen as a weakness pertaining to her gender, that she can't win.

Yes it's interesting that the show's cast is predominantly female, but dissecting or criticising its prime character is not automatically biased based on their gender. If anything it's arguably a fluke of scriptwriting given a lot of its male characters have simply died.

Wendy's the main character now, she's getting main character criticism.

You seem to be attaching a lot of emotion to this conversation that doesn't exist 'sneering' etc.,

I didn't read the comment saying that Marty was arrogant or criticising him.

There are a lot of stereotypes being upended of women within the show seductive sirens, damsels in distress, dead bodies, oblivious romantic partners, and nagging wives or the 'bitch' wife a la skyler who doesn't let the main character do what he wants, if anything it's very deliberate. And the females have killed a lot of the male characters.

I've enjoyed watching it because it has challenged clichéd, problematic characterizations and yes that has been very deliberate and gender specific.

Anyway I've enjoyed watching it, glad you have too

el diablo · 26-06-2020 7:45pm

cloudatlas wrote: »

You seem to be attaching a lot of emotion to this conversation that doesn't exist 'sneering' etc.,

I didn't read the comment saying that Marty was arrogant or criticising him.

There are a lot of stereotypes being upended of women within the show seductive sirens, damsels in distress, dead bodies, oblivious romantic partners, and nagging wives or the 'bitch' wife a la skyler who doesn't let the main character do what he wants, if anything it's very deliberate. And the females have killed a lot of the male characters.

I've enjoyed watching it because it has challenged clichéd, problematic characterizations and yes that has been very deliberate and gender specific.

Anyway I've enjoyed watching it, glad you have too

Good to see you're getting some use out of your gender studies degree.

pixelburp · 30-06-2020 4:21pm

Confirmed there's to be a season 4, and that it'll be the last one. Makes sense, the way Season 3 ended felt very much like the point of no return for the story.

https://twitter.com/netflix/status/1277980210684551171

AaronMic95 · 01-07-2020 5:52pm

My wife and I started watching Ozark around April and finished the 3 seasons pretty quickly. We didn't know we would like it but Jason Bateman acting and direction are good. I hope they could have a good ending. Nothing would beat Breaking Bad though. lol

Azatadine · 01-07-2020 6:02pm

AaronMic95 wrote: »

My wife and I started watching Ozark around April and finished the 3 seasons pretty quickly. We didn't know we would like it but Jason Bateman acting and direction are good. I hope they could have a good ending. Nothing would beat Breaking Bad though. lol

Breaking Bad was outstanding but for me, Succession may well run it close and Ozark following up behind.

cdgalwegian · 14-07-2020 9:45pm

Just finished season 3. Delighted there is a (final) season 4. There is a certain suspension of belief in Wendy and Marty's hard sell technique success, but you can certainly see what drives them to it, via circumstance, and personality.
Re the Breaking Bad comparison, I always saw it as just a '3 steps forward, 2 steps back' type frustrating-but-gripping style, regardless of the drugs and other background elements, but obviously the stakes in Ozark were far more continuously imminent.
The pacing in the first two seasons wasn't the best, but season 3 is much better, with a lot more humour, and great dialogue. The whole family dynamic is entralling to watch, (Yellowstone, Succession mentions noted), so where scenarios might be a little hard to believe, the dynamic just brushes it aside. It's great tv.
Love Julia Garner in this. I can't remember the last time I've watched Laura Linney, but boy she is a master at the insincere smile.

JP Liz V1 · 28-07-2020 9:50pm

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Tom Pelphrey as Ben was amazing, Emmy winning

18 Emmy nominations for Ozark but none for Tom :mad:

Lisha · 28-07-2020 10:10pm

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

18 Emmy nominations for Ozark but none for Tom :mad:

That’s so wrong he was excellent in Ozarks

seefin · 03-08-2020 3:47pm

Will we be waiting years for season 4 with pandemic? ðŸ˜

Thargor · 07-02-2021 6:37pm

Finished season 1, this is just fecking boring tbh, Ill read what happens for the rest on Wikipedia. Theres just something so flat about the whole thing.

Dcully · 10-02-2021 4:13pm

Thargor wrote: »

Finished season 1, this is just fecking boring tbh, Ill read what happens for the rest on Wikipedia. Theres just something so flat about the whole thing.

Its gets better, ,myself and the wife left it half way through season two.
Went back after many months and thoroughly enjoyed it.

Hector Savage · 15-09-2021 10:01am

Just finished season 3, jaysus that last scene!!!

el diablo · 15-09-2021 5:42pm

Any news on season 4 or should we write this one off?

Atlantic Dawn · 15-09-2021 5:49pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117895893#Comment_117895893

Filming supposed to finish next month and then it will be released in 2 parts to make 14 episodes in total, no release date for either.

pixelburp · 15-09-2021 5:54pm

Yet another show lost in the fog of 2020.

So. Knowing the type of shown that is, and that season 4 is the last ... who do we reckon is going to walk away alive here? Last seasons love wielding the butcher's knife.

My gut was going to say Wendy, but her hubris has been increasingly getting out of hand. She must be due a fall.

pixelburp · 25-09-2021 8:25pm

First trailer has popped up:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2FG-KIgX2o

Agent Coulson · 19-10-2021 4:29pm

Netflix continuing to break up it's final season of shows into two parts.

Season 4 part 1 drops January 21st 2022.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61bYZ9Y0Nrs&feature=emb_title&ab_channel=Netflix

Fr Tod Umptious · 27-10-2021 11:33am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117893545#Comment_117893545

Just watched all three seasons.

Though they were very good, season three is a bit slower than the other two but still intriguing.

The one thing that occurred to me throughout season three however is that I realized I hate the Byrds.

They are really awful people, trying to portray this victimhood while allowing all the collateral damage to go on around them.

Ben and the therapist for example

pixelburp · 27-10-2021 11:43am

Oh I don't think the show ever asks you to feel too sad for the Byrds; maybe, at a pinch season 1 when they're just trying to keep their noses ahead. But like many tales of this ilk, the slow creep of corrupting power and dissolving morals is where the show's seduction lies. Especially Wendy: the latter seasons' calamities are kinda on her; you could sorta see her former career in politics giving her this hubris to think she could manage a vicious drug kingpin.

Heck even the kids aren't blameless in this; though one imagines when the axe falls at the end of season 4, they'll be one of the few who can step away from events relatively intact.

Fr Tod Umptious · 27-10-2021 12:12pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118079272#Comment_118079272

Yes there are parts of season 1 and possibly 2 where I did have some sympathy, but it all gone by season 3, and as you said Wendy is the main culprit for the loss of any of that sympathy.

billyhead · 27-10-2021 1:51pm

Wendy is a real tour de force in the series in season 3. She's got a shrewd head on her shoulders.

27-10-2021 2:18pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118080069#Comment_118080069

She's lucky to have a head on her shoulders at all.

She is going to cause the major downfall

Fr Tod Umptious · 27-10-2021 6:55pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118080069#Comment_118080069

There are some really great female characters in that show.

Wendy, Ruth and the bat s**t crazy Darlene are all brilliant.

billyhead · 27-10-2021 7:01pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118081698#Comment_118081698

Darlene is a brilliant character. Completely bananas. Taking on a Mexican drug cartel you would have to be.

pixelburp · 17-11-2021 5:23pm

Another teaser has popped up, with only a sliver of new footage;

https://youtu.be/z8QwwWnLboU

Agent Coulson · 06-01-2022 5:41pm

Netflix really do like breaking there finale seasons into two parts these days.

Trailer for part 1 which drops on January 21st.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SB3xj2BKgHs&ab_channel=Netflix

El Gato De Negocios · 24-01-2022 10:22pm

Surprised no comments on this. 5 episodes watched of the 7. Enjoying it even if its kinda stretching into Sons of Anarchy levels of ridiculousness. That's why it will never reach the heights of the likes of The Sopranos. Interested to see how it all pans out, alot of balls in play and some shifty new characters added.

jj880 · 24-01-2022 10:59pm

The 7 eps finish strongly. Its building nicely for the 2nd part.

The actress that plays Ruth Langmore is the outstanding performance for me.

But I agree its getting daft at times. I think this season being the last is a good call.

Effects · 24-01-2022 11:03pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/113907480#Comment_113907480

Nah.

J. Marston · 24-01-2022 11:49pm

Ruth is one of the best TV characters from the last few years. She's a brilliant actress.

She'll win awards on that last scene alone. YA FÚCKING CÚNT!

Agent Coulson · 24-01-2022 11:56pm

Robin Wright directed the final two episodes of this part of the final season and she did a great job.

Basq · 24-01-2022 11:59pm

Julia Garner is always excellent but she was incredible in these first 7 episodes. Standout in every scene she featured in.

Nice little cliffhanger too.

Car99 · 25-01-2022 2:40am

I enjoyed the 7 episodes Ruth lights up every scene she's in definitely took over from Marty as the most interesting character.

El Gato De Negocios · 25-01-2022 10:38am

Does nobody feel Ruth is veering into ham territory. Feels like in certain scenes she is overly "Ruthing" it to me. Having said that, she is very watchable.

Pity to see Darlene die. She was my favourite sub character. Absolute mentalist but when the cartel ordered her to stop and she gave them two fingers it was only going to end one way. Definitely feel that Ben is still alive. The fact we didnt see a body or him being killed is generally a good indicator. Plus the fact that Marty acts squirrelly (or as squirrelly as he ever gets) about the missing person posters implies he could turn up. If he was in fact dead, and how that all played out, he knows he cannot be traced so why get antsy about it? Going along with the missing persons line strengthens the foundations position. The car crash at the very beginning of the first episode. I hope thats not how part is gonna end ie on a never to be answered are they dead cliffhanger. The PI one feels will also play a major role in things alongside Maya, I dont recall Marty ever personally killing someone so that could be his final transition into arch criminal. Introducing the Shaw family business, while clearly throwing jabs at the Sacklers, is pretty silly. A global pharma company mired in controversy is going to get into bed with a Mexican drug baron? Come on like. I like the dynamic with Wendy and Jim, he is such a sleazy bastard but a fascinating character. Much to look forward to for the second half of the season, hopefully not too long to wait for it.

Kermit.de.frog · 26-01-2022 6:32am

This show is fantastic. Absurd but highly entertaining.

The whole Ben thing though is ridiculous. It couldn't be any more obvious he'll appear sooner or later. Whether the intention is so we think he will, or will lead to some other surprise, remains to be seen.

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