Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

Eod100 · 25-06-2020 02:51PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1276161122165497862?s=19

Guess that's what happens when it takes almost 5 months to form a government after an election! You'd wonder how many decisions were delayed or procastinated because of it.

Away With The Fairies · 25-06-2020 02:51PM

NegativeCreep wrote: »

They must have asked any pensioner they could find.

Anyone I’ve spoken to in the real world doesn’t give a sh!t about it anymore and just want everything to open again and deal with it.

I'm not a pensioner. I also live in the real world, and I very much care about all this.

ixoy · 25-06-2020 02:52PM

Drumpot wrote: »

I was under the impression its not seasonal because its thriving in all conditions around the world ?

That's my impression too and for the same reasons, although there's posters here arguing that it is seasonal. I don't think we've evidence either way yet but people being cooped up indoors during our rubbish wet winters.. well we can all agree that the season brings up contributing factors that help spread it.

stephenjmcd · 25-06-2020 02:57PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Guess that's what happens when it takes almost 5 months to form a government after an election! You'd wonder how many decisions were delayed or procastinated because of it.

Yup, your looking at a few weeks minimum to draft up legislation now and get it passed

lukas8888 · 25-06-2020 02:59PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

What has the age of lost loved ones got to do with anything? I'm over retirement age, does my life not matter as much as yours?

As for the effect of our restrictions (never had a lockdown), you obviously know diddly about their merits nor their impact on the virus.

You know quite well the point he was making was that fatalities are overwhelmingly age related.Im also at retirement age and i absolutely believe that a much younger persons life matters a lot more than mine.

is_that_so · 25-06-2020 03:00PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Guess that's what happens when it takes almost 5 months to form a government after an election! You'd wonder how many decisions were delayed or procastinated because of it.

The question of masks has really only come to the fore officially in the last few weeks. Before that it was all about crisis management. Even in normal times it would take about 3 months to get a government going. It was 60 days or more in 2016. Part of the reason for this coming to Cabinet is that it may well be their last meeting and it's better to have that process underway.

circadian · 25-06-2020 03:01PM

Arghus wrote: »

8% of total fatalities.

Just curious to know how you know lockdown was ineffective.

Many predicted, 3 months ago, that there would be people claiming the lockdown being pointless.

ACitizenErased · 25-06-2020 03:02PM

5000 new cases in Florida and a record 89 deaths

fr336 · 25-06-2020 03:04PM

Onesea wrote: »

So how many people below the retired age died from this in Ireland...... Very very few.

Half of yous are bonkers in here. Simple numbers and logic escape yous. This isn't nearly as dangerous as made out. And your lockdown hasn't done didly in influencing this virus.

So anyone over 65 is fair game for dying then? I feel like I've woken up in March again.

ACitizenErased · 25-06-2020 03:05PM

Record number of cases in California today - 7149.

fr336 · 25-06-2020 03:10PM

lukas8888 wrote: »

You know quite well the point he was making was that fatalities are overwhelmingly age related.Im also at retirement age and i absolutely believe that a much younger persons life matters a lot more than mine.

Younger people were dying in highly populated countries until lockdowns were put in place. This continued for over a month - the "peak", as it was called. Do people not remember a few months ago or something? And by younger people I'm talking those in their 50s, 40s, 30s, 20s. There were too many deaths in their 30s here in the UK, it was horrific to see it coming in on a daily basis. Some of them were overweight, does that make it okay? If all the overweight people in Ireland or UK died, that's a lot of people. Also very fit people were dying as their immune system went into overdrive. This was all combated with the lockdown, and now people are changing history saying the lockdown had no affect. Same old crap.

Arghus · 25-06-2020 03:11PM

circadian wrote: »

Many predicted, 3 months ago, that there would be people claiming the lockdown being pointless.

Oh, I know - the protection paradox - and I also know I am in all likelihood wasting my time trying to get an answer in this case, but sure...

I'm just curious to know why Owlbethere thinks lockdown has had "diddly squat" to do with getting virus numbers down. He seems to have some compelling evidence to suggest otherwise.

Unless, of course, he doesn't and is just talking absolute rubbish. But, I'm sure that isn't the case. I'm sure he'll be able to answer my straight question honestly, without asking another question to deflect away from a total lack of evidence.

NegativeCreep · 25-06-2020 03:13PM

fr336 wrote: »

So anyone over 65 is fair game for dying then? I feel like I've woken up in March again.

Clearly not what he’s saying but don’t let that stop you from feeling outraged. Median age of death is 83 according to CSO. Why can’t we cocoon the elderly (but let them decide if they want to go out or not) and let the rest of us open up

Away With The Fairies · 25-06-2020 03:14PM

Is there something they're not telling us?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-clusters-in-irish-houses-surged-to-500-last-monday-1.4288367?mode=amp

"The number of Covid-19 clusters in private houses has reached 500, surging by 110 clusters - a 28 per cent increase - in a single day, new official figures on the disease show.

The most recent daily report from the State’s Health Protection Surveillance Centre shows that the number of clusters increased from 358 on Saturday to 390 on Sunday to 500 on Monday."

If our cases are low, how come there's such a huge increase in clusters?

There seems to be more clusters than cases. Shouldn't you have more cases than clusters?

ACitizenErased · 25-06-2020 03:14PM

The WHO statement today about Europe is really interesting.

They state that cases rose in Luxembourg, Greece, Germany, Slovenia, Switzerland and Malta.
Luxembourg reported 7 cases yesterday, Greece reported 8, Germany reported 400+ due to clusters in meat plants (a sh*tshow that everyone knows about), Slovenia reported 6 today and Malta reported 3 today. The only country I can see with some sort of a growth from that list is Switzerland, who reported 50 cases.

fr336 · 25-06-2020 03:15PM

NegativeCreep wrote: »

Clearly not what he’s saying but don’t let that stop you from feeling outraged. Median age of death is 83 according to CSO. Why can’t we cocoon the elderly (but let them decide if they want to go out or not) and let the rest of us open up

Are you in a paralell universe? Things are opening up.

ACitizenErased · 25-06-2020 03:15PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Is there something they're not telling us?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-clusters-in-irish-houses-surged-to-500-last-monday-1.4288367?mode=amp

"The number of Covid-19 clusters in private houses has reached 500, surging by 110 clusters - a 28 per cent increase - in a single day, new official figures on the disease show.

The most recent daily report from the State’s Health Protection Surveillance Centre shows that the number of clusters increased from 358 on Saturday to 390 on Sunday to 500 on Monday."

If our cases are low, how come there's such a huge increase in clusters?

There seems to be more clusters than cases. Shouldn't you have more cases than clusters?

Contact tracing takes weeks. They could be clusters from up to a month ago, just now being added to the list. It takes a while to determine a cluster.

ceadaoin. · 25-06-2020 03:15PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Record number of cases in California today - 7149.

Its 8am. Think that must be for yesterday?

is_that_so · 25-06-2020 03:16PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Is there something they're not telling us?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-clusters-in-irish-houses-surged-to-500-last-monday-1.4288367?mode=amp

"The number of Covid-19 clusters in private houses has reached 500, surging by 110 clusters - a 28 per cent increase - in a single day, new official figures on the disease show.

The most recent daily report from the State’s Health Protection Surveillance Centre shows that the number of clusters increased from 358 on Saturday to 390 on Sunday to 500 on Monday."

If our cases are low, how come there's such a huge increase in clusters?

There seems to be more clusters than cases. Shouldn't you have more cases than clusters?

Cases are considered inactive after 14 days, clusters two cycles or 28 days so some of them may have had no new cases but are also not 28 days since the last case.

ACitizenErased · 25-06-2020 03:16PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Its 8am. Think that must be for yesterday?

You're right, yesterday!

Away With The Fairies · 25-06-2020 03:17PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Contact tracing takes weeks. They could be clusters from up to a month ago, just now being added to the list. It takes a while to determine a cluster.

How can contact tracing take weeks in a private house where people know each other?

schmoo2k · 25-06-2020 03:17PM

Drumpot wrote: »

I was under the impression its not seasonal because its thriving in all conditions around the world ?

Also, I would wonder if we have a flu season, is it not reasonable to assume that COVID could piggyback on this virus and spread more as a result ? That is, if more people are sneezing and have a low immune system to flu etc, they are more likely to contract and spread COVID? Maybe thats a bit simplistic?!

Probably the other way round - all our "new behaviours" from Covid will likely hinder the Flu from transmitting as easily as it does - especially if we vaccinate all the school kids this year for it.

Away With The Fairies · 25-06-2020 03:18PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Cases are considered inactive after 14 days, clusters two cycles or 28 days so some of them may have had no new cases but are also not 28 days since the last case.

I'm lost with that explanation.

ACitizenErased · 25-06-2020 03:19PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

How can contact tracing take weeks in a private house where people know each other?

I'm not a contact tracer so I don't know. Realistically they're probably just tallying the clusters and adding them all in one go. 100 clusters = 200+ cases, meaning they have to be accumulated over weeks.

Also if you add 10 cases in a day it's not unrealistic to think that they're 10 seperate households. If a case already exists in that household then its +10 clusters and +20 cases associated with clusters in one day.

Arghus · 25-06-2020 03:22PM

NegativeCreep wrote: »

Clearly not what he’s saying but don’t let that stop you from feeling outraged. Median age of death is 83 according to CSO. Why can’t we cocoon the elderly (but let them decide if they want to go out or not) and let the rest of us open up

What about the people who care for the elderly? Who live with the elderly? Doctors and nurses who interact with them? If there's no measures being employed at large to suppress the virus then how do they avoid it and avoid passing it on the vulnerable. And for the group called "elderly", you can also apply the same question to people who have preexisting conditions who are also more vulnerable to the disease.

It's not just a neat and tidy piece of cake to get a nice easily defined and hermetic group and to make them stay away from the rest of society indefinitely. It sounds very easy, but if you look at it in practice it's quite complicated.

What Username Guidelines · 25-06-2020 03:22PM

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1276171904773218310?s=20

ACitizenErased · 25-06-2020 03:23PM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1276171904773218310?s=20

I'm guessing they're still in meetings. Hope they release the modelling in the press release.

is_that_so · 25-06-2020 03:24PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

I'm lost with that explanation.

If you have COVID they consider you clear after about 14 days. With clusters they wait 2 cycles or 2x14 days since the last case to consider it closed. The care home cluster totals remained high for quite a while then suddenly dropped as they were all about the same time.

Away With The Fairies · 25-06-2020 03:26PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I'm not a contact tracer so I don't know. Realistically they're probably just tallying the clusters and adding them all in one go. 100 clusters = 200+ cases, meaning they have to be accumulated over weeks.

Also if you add 10 cases in a day it's not unrealistic to think that they're 10 seperate households. If a case already exists in that household then its +10 clusters and +20 cases associated with clusters in one day.

That makes sense

Eod100 · 25-06-2020 03:26PM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1276171904773218310?s=20

Wonder why? Think it was only ever cancelled once before or did it fo ahead in the end that time? Varadkar is hardly making a speech this evening is he? Would think it would be tomorrow as usual if he was

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