Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

Texas, one of the first states to reopen, now the first to approach ICU capacity. a day after declaring they were "wide open for business"

Things are going to get real bad in america come the autumn.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/24/texas-coronavirus-cases-infections-houston-hospitals

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

The full list of US Presidents in my lifetime;

John F Kennedy
Lyndon B Johnson
Richard Nixon
Gerald Ford
Jimmy Carter
Ronald Reagan
George Bush Snr
Bill Clinton
George W Bush
Barack Obama
Donald Trump

I used to think that I would never see a worse President than George W in my lifetime. I was wrong.

I only ever saw "Cork Boy" and now realise that you're a 67 year old Cork boy:)

Well looks like the old epicentre states are taking matters into their own hand in order to prevent further outbreaks as this leadership is lacking at a federal level. Anyone from the following states; Alabama, Arkansas, Arizona, Florida, North Carolina, South Carolina and Texas must self quarantine for 14 days upon entry to the states of New York, New Jersey or Connecticut.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-as-us-cases-spike-three-states-impose-quarantine-measures-12014101

fritzelly wrote: »

Let them not wear masks - just refuse treatment when they catch it.
Maybe tattoo a D on the forehead so everyone can recognise them.

The Governor of Nevada just mandated face masks in public. I would say most locals were anyway, but tourists not so much. Now they will be asked to leave a casino if they arent wearing one. Good. hopefully this has been implemented soon enough to prevent a huge spike. Our numbers are rising but not alarmingly so just yet.

"No shirt. No shoes. No mask. No service." Simply enough for most to understand surely?

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

How does mask wearing work in Vegas? Can't people drink and smoke while gambling? Or have they stopped serving alcohol while they gamble?

you must have missed this guy lol

https://youtu.be/Zm6Id7ETL2U

But seriously, you can drink but unless you are in the process of sipping, the mask has to be on. Same in a restaurant, you can take it off to eat. The tables are spaced out and all staff are masked anyway so I dont see that being too high risk.

Smoking I dunno. I guess the same, unless you are actively smoking, mask on. There have been calls to ban it altogether but I dont know if that will happen. Its part of the appeal of coming here for a lot of people.

But dont forgot there are plenty of locals here who are going about our daily business, not on the strip, and not gambling drinking and smoking 24/7 so that isn't the only focus of the directive.

ceadaoin. wrote: »

And do you know a positive thing about that case..they dont appear to infected any of their 140 customers due to everyone wearing masks.

That was a while ago now anyway. At least where I am, you don't need symptoms to take a test, or to even go to a doctor. Just go to one of several drive through testing sites. And its free.

That's a really important study from the mask s being made mandatory in closed spaces like hairdressers without good ventilation systems. To clarify, 2 hairdressers were found to have tested positive for Coronavirus, they wore masks, so did the clientele and nobody else got infected. Please correct me if I'm wrong: if clientele got infected afterwards.

Drumpot wrote: »

There is a difference between between being overly negative and discussing prudent measures to maintain our current status.

Strengths:
- we suppressed numbers well
- population mostly complied
- government eventually acted quickly after initial slow response
- healthcare was not overrun
- healthcare workers here and abroad galvanised to help

Weakness
- initially very slow to respond
- Ireland’s death statistics per head actually globally quite bad
- globalised economy so we are exposed
- Dublin an international hub so vulnerable to countries with bad outbreaks
- mostly non compliance makes wearing
- complacency setting in (Psychologically this was going to happen)
- poor education and communication still , perhaps more down to belligerent population
- lack of PPE

Opportunities
- make masks mandatory
- beef up security measures at airports and ports for COVID, eg temp check machines
- contact tracing app
- adapt economy and business with an 18 month timescale to be reviewed, looking at stop/start measures and how business can continue during it (eg pubs still serving pints etc)
- focus on increasing farming capacity (at least work out if we have enoughTo be self sustaining if this get really bad in winter)
- Self sustaining SWOT analysis
- Educate people. A lot of people still don’t understand elements of the pandemic, why Should they ? This is the first time our generation has suffered this sort of crisis.
- Get masks for everybody nationally , make it mandatory, this also helps make it normal and proper etiquette to protect others. “You wear a mask to protect others”

Threats
- non compliance of measures - people travelling where they want, not wearing masks etc
- lack of regulation on foreign travel in and out undos most of the hard work
- Populist strategies being employed at the expense of prudence
- bigger economic loss due to failed planning and lack of infrastructure put in place to mitigate future wave
- complacency and restriction fatigue
- pandering to EU/Global partners by having reduced measures to protect us from their populations
- Northern Ireland , somebody needs to slap somebody on the face with a wet fish And get working with them to have Cross border agreement
- Panic, if we get a second wave that is much worse

I know there is a lot more that can be added to that list. I think we are in a superb situation to manage this but I’m not convinced that we are making the most of our advantage.

This is an excellent post, businesses and countries across the globe would do well to conduct and implement a SWOT analysis for pandemics. I'm sure a SWOT analysis was conducted in UK, US, etc problem is implementation has not been applied.

The education of world's population on public health, including nutrition , and how to keep healthy, in addition to ability to properly analyse data analytics, is key in managing such issues/concerns that are prevalent as of today (including current pandemic), and for future public health, social, economic and environmental threats down the road.

Public Health should be taught as a subject from Primary School with further study offered in Secondary. Public health education and measures that prevents illnesses in the general population is key for all countries who wish to improve longtivity and prevent unnecessary morbidity. Ignorance as a by-product of education failings represent one of the greatest threats to us and goal of universal equality across the globe.

If we take nations such as UK, USA as an example. they represent examples of the dangers of a failed education system and irresponsible governance and the threat that this brings, often intentional and used for political means .

We need to make universal education of issues that affect humanity a priority. Ignorance is not bliss!

Of course socio-economic issues including poverty and instability of nations are also a threat to.our ability to effectively control external forces that pose a threat to us but this is also due to controllable factors.

An educated population who aren't swayed by populists, warmongers and capitalists who have self-serving motivations in suppressing population is a powerful tool for positive outcomes for the majority of people and for the people. Those who can't think for themselves due to lack of education/ indoctoration from power structures that work against the majority are easily swayed by false truths and are dangerous to everyone, especially in a public health and pandemic situation.


Education is key, good governance is key, especially in areas mentioned above, believe in science, , believe in experts in relevant field being discussed, who have backing of their peers, who have best interests at heart. Most importantly, be capable of critical analysis on an individual level and don't accept everything at face value:

Don't let other people who often don't have your best interests at heart believe or think for you I E. populists and business leaders motivated by re-election and profit at all costs, public health being secondary.

And..care for each other, empathize with each other.