Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

normanoffside · 23-06-2020 09:36PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Absolutely. Many died with Covid but not necessarily from Covid.

In Ireland George Floyd would have been recorded as a COVID death.

ACitizenErased · 23-06-2020 09:40PM

Arghus wrote: »

Another statistic which seems to be barely mentioned is that, as of yesterday, there's still a further 137 suspected cases in hospitals.

Every single person who steps foot into a hospital is considered suspected unless proven otherwise. Everyone is tested.

Arghus · 23-06-2020 09:45PM

Eod100 wrote: »

I don't think nationwide closures will be on the cards again.

Possibly local ones but hopefully with contact tracing up to speed, having the app rolled out, people very aware of symptoms, social distancing, washing hands, cough and sneeze etiquette, more people working from home, people strongly encouraged not to go to work when sick etc this all means that we stay on top of it.

While I think another giant nationwide lockdown is very, very unlikely a thing that has to be borne in mind is the capacity in the health system.

Back at the start of the pandemic there were over 2000 free beds in hospitals and the government had signed the deal to effectively use extra capacity in the private hospitals if it came to it.

Currently there's 400 spare beds and this will decrease as the backlog for every other delayed hospital worthy trip continues to bite. And the deal with the private hospitals is due to expire at the end of the month.

So we'll have a lot less capacity to deal with another resurgence, if it should happen. And it was the worry of a quickly overwhelmed health system that led to the first lockdown - and that was in Feb/March, when there were 400% more spare beds. So while, I think another full lockdown is unlikely, I wouldn't discount it entirely.

We've cleared the first hurdle, but this is going to be a marathon not a sprint.

Arghus · 23-06-2020 09:46PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Every single person who steps foot into a hospital is considered suspected unless proven otherwise. Everyone is tested.

Really. Do you know this for sure?

Martina1991 · 23-06-2020 09:48PM

Jim_Hodge wrote:

Absolutely. Many died with Covid but not necessarily from Covid.

That has always been clear. That was the recccomened way of reporting deaths according to the ECDC.

If someone's relative died and they found out later they tested positive but it didn't appear on the death cert people would claim it was a cover up.

Ya can't win.

ACitizenErased · 23-06-2020 09:48PM

Arghus wrote: »

Really. Do you know this for sure?

Yup 100%. The number goes from like 300 to 150 daily. There's usually 1/2 cases diagnosed in hospitals each day.

Arghus · 23-06-2020 09:51PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Yup 100%. The number goes from like 300 to 150 daily. There's usually 1/2 cases diagnosed in hospitals each day.

Do you have any source for this, I'd like to read about it.

Genuinely asking.

Eod100 · 23-06-2020 09:51PM

Arghus wrote: »

While I think another giant nationwide lockdown is very, very unlikely a thing that has to be borne in mind is the capacity in the health system.

Back at the start of the pandemic there were over 2000 free beds in hospitals and the government had signed the deal to effectively use extra capacity in the private hospitals if it came to it.

Currently there's 400 spare beds and this will decrease as the backlog for every other delayed hospital worthy trip continues to bite. And the deal with the private hospitals is due to expire at the end of the month.

So we'll have a lot less capacity to deal with another resurgence, if it should happen. And it was the worry of a quickly overwhelmed health system that led to the first lockdown - and that was in Feb/March, when there were 400% more spare beds. So while, I think another full lockdown is unlikely, I wouldn't discount it entirely.

We've cleared the first hurdle, but this is going to be a marathon not a sprint.

Yeah those factors definitely come into it alright. It's very early days I'd agree. I think the hope is that it wouldn't get to a stage where we have to do it but like you say had the extra capacity with private hospitals too.

Hopefully though cases would be identified, isolated and contact traced quickly in order to mitigate against that.

Jim_Hodge · 23-06-2020 09:51PM

Martina1991 wrote: »

That has always been clear. That was the recccomened way of reporting deaths according to the ECDC.

If someone's relative died and they found out later they tested positive but it didn't appear on the death cert people would claim it was a cover up.

Ya can't win.

I'm well aware of that and didn't say otherwise.

ACitizenErased · 23-06-2020 09:54PM

Arghus wrote: »

Do you have any source for this, I'd like to read about it.

Genuinely asking.

I don't have any source for it unfortunately, only know it from my father who works in CUH.

Arghus · 23-06-2020 09:57PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Absolutely. Many died with Covid but not necessarily from Covid.

To be fair it's hard to prove such a thing. If you get hit by a truck it's easy to say that blunt force trauma was the cause of death,
but if your organs fail because of the strain of Covid on your body technically you still die because your organs failed, but it wouldn't have happened without the strain of Covid on the body. People don't just "die" perfectly and straightforwardly of viruses and diseases.

Martina1991 · 23-06-2020 09:58PM

Jim_Hodge wrote:

I'm well aware of that and didn't say otherwise.

I wasn't disagreeing with you!
Just saying people give out when covid is reported after a death but would probably give out if it was omitted as well.

Arghus · 23-06-2020 09:59PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I don't have any source for it unfortunately, only know it from my father who works in CUH.

Okay. Well if anyone else can back that up I'd be interested if that's how it's done.

Kermit.de.frog · 23-06-2020 10:02PM

South Africa's surge continues, important to take note due to seasonal factors as with South America.

They have recorded their highest case numbers by a distance in the last 4 days. 111 deaths officially recorded today which is a new high for them. 4,506 new cases, second highest since Saturday.

manofwisdom · 23-06-2020 10:03PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

HSE operations report out.

As of 18:30, 11 paitents in ICU, down from 16 yesterday. 8 on ventilators down from 10. No deaths reported in the period of 8am yesterday to 8am today in ICU.

As of 8pm, 37 in general acute beds, down from 41 yesterday.

Great to see the numbers continue to drop. A month ago it 394 hospitalised and 54 in ICU.

Away With The Fairies · 23-06-2020 10:07PM

Arghus wrote: »

Okay. Well if anyone else can back that up I'd be interested if that's how it's done.

I know someone who has to visit the hospital for other reasons and has to get tested each time.

ACitizenErased · 23-06-2020 10:11PM

I can't wait for Trump to throw a temper-tantrum when the EU bans US travellers, even though Trump banned EU travellers weeks ago. Can just see it happening even though it is 100% the right decision.

Eod100 · 23-06-2020 10:13PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I can't wait for Trump to throw a temper-tantrum when the EU bans US travellers, even though Trump banned EU travellers weeks ago. Can just see it happening even though it is 100% the right decision.

Yeah can see it happening. Think he compared EU to China not so long ago. Wonder what his attack will be, might threaten tariffs or something. Say EU and everyone else will hope there's an adult in the White House in January and not this manbaby!

ACitizenErased · 23-06-2020 10:14PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Yeah can see it happening. Think he compared EU to China not so long ago. Wonder what his attack will be, might threaten tariffs or something. Say EU and everyone else will hope there's an adult in the White House in January and not this manbaby!

"We have the most amazing virus, truly the greatest, nobody does it better, Europe's radical left is just jealous"

fritzelly · 23-06-2020 10:16PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I can't wait for Trump to throw a temper-tantrum when the EU bans US travellers, even though Trump banned EU travellers weeks ago. Can just see it happening even though it is 100% the right decision.

Isn't the ban still in place?

Eod100 · 23-06-2020 10:17PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

"We have the most amazing virus, truly the greatest, nobody does it better, Europe's radical left is just jealous"

haha And recently saying he wanted to slow down testing. Hard to know whether he's spoofing or not but he's off the wall either way. And his events are just a breeding ground for the virus now.. Will be interesting to see if there are spikes within a few weeks of these events!

https://twitter.com/aravosis/status/1275543579667152900

maebee · 23-06-2020 10:26PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

South Africa's surge continues, important to take note due to seasonal factors as with South America.

They have recorded their highest case numbers by a distance in the last 4 days. 111 deaths officially recorded today which is a new high for them. 4,506 new cases, second highest since Saturday.

Is there any chance that you might some day post something positive?, like how well we in Ireland have done with managing this? How we've flattened the curve?. You consistently seek out and post the worst news on the pandemic, ignoring any good news. Why do you do this? You don't get the "likes" and you continue to do it. Very strange.

23-06-2020 10:30PM

fritzelly wrote: »

Isn't the ban still in place?

Yes, the ban is in place already. Has been for weeks for most of the EU. The news today is about it not being removed

stephenjmcd · 23-06-2020 10:31PM

Strumms wrote: »

You are just showing yourself up to be completely and utterly disingenuous .

My comments regarding Madrid...

“I just looked at 4 nights in what was a Radisson hotel here next June...962 euros.

I then compared it to one in Madrid which I’ve stayed in... 429 Euros.

Both hotels central.”

And the reminder of your post please, and yet a later post calling people who would like a holiday "greedbags", when you'd listened all the reasons to go abroad only a few hours before but yeah sure I'm the one that's being disingenuous.

The below is the remainder of your original post,

"Remind me why I’d be staying here ? I’d be gone to Madrid... I’d save a fortune on...

-Accommodation

-Food

-Transport

I’m in a city where I’m guaranteed...

-Better weather

-Better public transport

-Better value for money shopping and experience in general

-Better shopping in general

-More things to see and do

AND, all that costs you a fraction."

stephenjmcd · 23-06-2020 10:34PM

Arghus wrote: »

Okay. Well if anyone else can back that up I'd be interested if that's how it's done.

Yup have family members working in Dublin hospitals, anyone heading for the wards or any sort of stay in hosptial gets a test and sometimes multiple tests during a stay.

You'd also be including hosptial staff tests in the suspected cases.

Arghus · 23-06-2020 10:36PM

maebee wrote: »

Is there any chance that you might some day post something positive?, like how well we in Ireland have done with managing this? How we've flattened the curve?. You consistently seek out and post the worst news on the pandemic, ignoring any good news. Why do you do this? You don't get the "likes" and you continue to do it. Very strange.

Amazing how one poster posting facts just gets on people's nerves.

Kermit is negative, sure, and he posts negative stuff, but I'd still rather see it and make my own mind up than be oblivious.

Beasty · 23-06-2020 10:40PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You literally are the most stressed out person on this website.

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

I'm really not stressed but I guess you'd want figures to back up my claim.

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You're not stressed? You post like the world's ending. Your username is apt.

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Fair play for acknowledging your hypocrisy and selfishness. Living off the sweat of another person's brow is prehaps one of the clearest examples of selfishness a person can display.

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

I don't see the boards rules where all posts must be positive in nature.

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I thought you'd learn from your threadban, clearly not.

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

https://touch.boards.ie/thread/reply/2058048308/post/112342506

A week you say? The post I linked is from 5 months ago.

ShyMets wrote: »

Not a hobby as such. Merely calling you out for what I believe you are. And what I think other posters believe you are

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Careful you don't get a warning for naming the obvious.

ShyMets wrote: »

If I get a ban or a warning then so be it. But nonsense like that has to be called out

Can you all discuss the topic as if any of you continue to discuss other things, and in particular other users (and indeed responding to such posts) I will remove posting privileges

fritzelly · 23-06-2020 10:57PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes, the ban is in place already. Has been for weeks for most of the EU. The news today is about it not being removed

I meant the US banning flights from the EU

23-06-2020 11:04PM

fritzelly wrote: »

I meant the US banning flights from the EU

Yes, that’s still in place too.

My partner is American and so we can travel. And travel back (quarantining of course). Heading over in early august to see her family and attend a wedding (in a northern state that is declining in numbers). Will be interesting to see how people are feeling over there

flanna01 · 23-06-2020 11:12PM

The Boris opening everything up on July 4th isn't gonna end well...

Like his counter part State side, stick your head in the sand, pretend all is well, ignore the pink elephant sitting on the sofa in the small room..

I understand Boris to some extent, his Brexit sh1t storm has caused the country enough trouble as it is.. How is good old Britannia fixed for a loan? Wouldn't imagine too many nations will be offering them a dig out at the moment..

Maybe Boris has been forced to play his hand, regardless to the outcome?? No more money left in the pot to be dishing out to stay at home, non tax paying, virus dodgers..??

Problem I have is.... Should the UK infection rate start heading north with haste, what stops one of the liberated travelling to Ireland and passing on the goodies all over again..??

As a country, we have tamed the beast, but its only as strong a fix as our borders.

Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

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