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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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  • #5882
    Allinall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,347 ✭✭✭Allinall


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    Truth hurt doesnt it? 70% + asymptomatic. do not feel a thing. There is not even 1 hour "effect" of covid on them, not even 10 minutes. Let alone your imagination of "long term".

    Now row back to the fantasy land where 3 months is "long term".

    What do you think is long term?


  • #5883
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,397 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    Truth hurt doesnt it? 70% + asymptomatic. do not feel a thing. There is not even 1 hour "effect" of covid on them, not even 10 minutes. Let alone your imagination of "long term".

    Now row back to the fantasy land where 3 months is "long term".

    Dig, dig the hole for your head, merrily, merrily....


  • #5884
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,397 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Allinall wrote: »
    What do you think is long term?

    1 day before the virus hit the first person I guess.


  • #5885
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The level of fear in this country is something that I just really struggle to wrap my head around... We know for a fact that most of the people that died were around the life expectancy age. We know that most of them had major underlying conditions such as advanced cancer, heart disease, COPD etc. While the deaths are very sad, these people were likely not going to last much longer. Might sound cold but we can't ignore that death is part of our lives.

    We know for a fact that there are 0 deaths in ALL of our meat factory cases. I think its 7 deaths in all of our medical staff cases.

    There is little evidence at all to suggest that you are going to lose limbs to Covid. Did that even happen?
    There is little evidence to suggest you are going to have chronic lung issues.

    Of course there will be some rare cases were unusual things happen. And of course the media loves to pick up these stories, it gets them clicks and shares.

    This illness has been with us for a half a year now and is been monitored very closely by every medical expert worth their salt. I think we'd know by now if people were losing limbs left, right and centre.

    We are almost six months into this now and 474,815 people have died around the globe. It was nowhere close to the civilization ending disease that many were predicting. The undeniable fact is that Covid 19 is fairly mild for the vast majority of people.


  • #5886
    Captain_Crash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,015 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    Allinall wrote: »
    What do you think is long term?


    Its generally accepted that long term is about 3 years and longer.


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  • #5887
    Allinall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,347 ✭✭✭Allinall


    Captain_Crash wrote: »
    Its generally accepted that long term is about 3 years and longer.

    Where is that generally accepted?


  • #5888
    acequion
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,017 ✭✭✭acequion


    average_runner wrote: »
    But if we shut things down earlier you be giving out.

    We had low cases when the temple bar incident happened. The people were asked to behave and they couldn't, hence there is a perfect example why pubs can't open, as we can't behave unless its enforced on us

    The emboldened above shows how little you understand about human behaviour and human psychology. I really hope you're not in a position of authority anywhere with that attitude.

    That military style of absolute authority and treating citizens as if they were idiots or children, note the word "behave," has never worked anywhere without serious consequences.

    I personally shudder when I read posts like this and realise that there are still people out there who actually think like that.


  • #5889
    AUDI20
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 385 ✭✭AUDI20


    road_high wrote: »
    You’re looking for logic in this and you won’t find it. Guarantee some of the biggest lockdown supporters were first in line for Penney’s and mcdonalds last week too.
    Reams of people liked the extra time with kids, lack of responsibility, no commute. Had to blame them

    Much the same as finding any logic in your posts


  • #5890
    Captain_Crash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,015 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    Allinall wrote: »
    Where is that generally accepted?


    In general day to day life:

    A long term building project would be years
    A sports player signs long term contract, is always a number of years.
    A long term car loan, 3 to 5 years
    In fact in property, a 6 months lease (twice the amount of time we've had restrictions in place) is considered a short term lease

    EDIT: This was the first answer when I type "definition of long term" into Google
    "A term is a period of duration, time or occurrence, in relation to an event. ... In finance or financial operations of borrowing and investing, what is considered long-term is usually above 3 years, with medium-term usually between 1 and 3 years and short-term usually under 1 year"


  • #5891
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,397 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Deleted User wrote: »

    There is little evidence at all to suggest that you are going to lose limbs to Covid. Did that even happen?

    Apart from losing a lung, did anyone actually claim you're going to lose a limb :confused:
    Deleted User wrote: »
    There is little evidence to suggest you are going to have chronic lung issues.

    CT scans have shown ground-glass opacities on Covid-19 patients’ lungs which will not necessarily heal. One Chinese study found these opacities in 77% of Covid-19 patients. They know they may not heal because they're not unique to Covid-19.

    In a different study from China, 66 out of 70 patients in one place had lung damage, and about half lesions that are likely to develop into permanent scarring.

    And in yet another Chinese study, in a set of asymptomatic patients, 95% had evidence of having developed these opacities in their lungs.

    MERs and SARS had similar effects and scientists know what really really really (is that enough for you people) long term effects it has on people. In fact, those diseases tended to only affect 1 lung, Covid-19 both.

    I could go on, with research showing that patients have elevated blood pressure as a result, opening them to the risk of strokes and embolisms, heart damage.

    But for some, you just don't want to know this and reply with some bull****e point.


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  • #5892
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Captain_Crash wrote: »
    In general day to day life:

    A long term building project would be years

    A sports player signs long term contract, is always a number of years.
    A long term car loan, 3 to 5 years

    In fact in property, a 6 months lease (twice the amount of time we've had restrictions in place) is considered a short term lease

    EDIT: This was the first answer when i type "definition of long term" into Google
    "A term is a period of duration, time or occurrence, in relation to an event. ... In finance or financial operations of borrowing and investing, what is considered long-term is usually above 3 years, with medium-term usually between 1 and 3 years and short-term usually under 1 year"

    Exactly.

    I was assaulted and had my jaw broken years back. I lost the feeling in my face for 4 months. It did come back though.
    It was a SHORT term consequence. If the feeling had never returned, then I could say I have long term damage.

    People that had Covid in March and still have a bit of a dry cough can hardly claim to have long term lung damage.


  • #5893
    Allinall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,347 ✭✭✭Allinall


    Captain_Crash wrote: »
    In general day to day life:

    A long term building project would be years
    A sports player signs long term contract, is always a number of years.
    A long term car loan, 3 to 5 years
    In fact in property, a 6 months lease (twice the amount of time we've had restrictions in place) is considered a short term lease

    EDIT: This was the first answer when I type "definition of long term" into Google
    "A term is a period of duration, time or occurrence, in relation to an event. ... In finance or financial operations of borrowing and investing, what is considered long-term is usually above 3 years, with medium-term usually between 1 and 3 years and short-term usually under 1 year"

    We're talking about medical side effects, not building projects, or footballers.


  • #5894
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,260 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    "Get busy living or get busy staying safe."


    Yep sums up the "open up" crowd pretty well tbf.

    They never seemed to comprehend any concept of "living safely"?


  • #5895
    Captain_Crash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,015 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    Allinall wrote: »
    We're talking about medical side effects, not building projects, or footballers.


    No were talking about the definition of long term/short term!


    As of now, if someone who had Covid in March or April still felt effects, those side effects are considered short term. They may well become long term yes, but we don't know this yet as this virus hasn't been around long enough to have any data.



    So right now saying the virus causes long term effects (excluding the few who required a ventilator, as they themselves may cause damage) is disingenuous at best, deliberate scaremongering at worst.


  • #5896
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Apart from losing a lung, did anyone actually claim you're going to lose a limb :confused:



    CT scans have shown ground-glass opacities on Covid-19 patients’ lungs which will not necessarily heal. One Chinese study found these opacities in 77% of Covid-19 patients. They know they may not heal because they're not unique to Covid-19.

    In a different study from China, 66 out of 70 patients in one place had lung damage, and about half lesions that are likely to develop into permanent scarring.

    And in yet another Chinese study, in a set of asymptomatic patients, 95% had evidence of having developed these opacities in their lungs.

    MERs and SARS had similar effects and scientists know what really really really (is that enough for you people) long term effects it has on people. In fact, those diseases tended to only affect 1 lung, Covid-19 both.

    I could go on, with research showing that patients have elevated blood pressure as a result, opening them to the risk of strokes and embolisms, heart damage.

    But for some, you just don't want to know this and reply with some bull****e point.

    All interesting but perhaps you can provide links to peer reviewed research in making such statements.


  • #5897
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Apart from losing a lung, did anyone actually claim you're going to lose a limb :confused:



    CT scans have shown ground-glass opacities on Covid-19 patients’ lungs which will not necessarily heal. One Chinese study found these opacities in 77% of Covid-19 patients. They know they may not heal because they're not unique to Covid-19.

    In a different study from China, 66 out of 70 patients in one place had lung damage, and about half lesions that are likely to develop into permanent scarring.

    And in yet another Chinese study, in a set of asymptomatic patients, 95% had evidence of having developed these opacities in their lungs.

    MERs and SARS had similar effects and scientists know what really really really (is that enough for you people) long term effects it has on people. In fact, those diseases tended to only affect 1 lung, Covid-19 both.

    I could go on, with research showing that patients have elevated blood pressure as a result, opening them to the risk of strokes and embolisms, heart damage.

    But for some, you just don't want to know this and reply with some bull****e point.

    There was plenty of "experts" telling us that millions were going to die of Covid 19. All based on scientific models etc.

    It just hasn't happened has it?

    And now the narrative is switching to "Oh but everyone will have long term damage".

    No, I don't believe it at all. The words if, could, potentially seem to constantly make there way into these studies.


  • #5898
    Allinall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,347 ✭✭✭Allinall


    Deleted User wrote: »
    There was plenty of "experts" telling us that millions were going to die of Covid 19. All based on scientific models etc.

    It just hasn't happened has it?

    And now the narrative is switching to "Oh but everyone will have long term damage".

    No, I don't believe it at all. The words if, could, potentially seem to constantly make there way into these studies.

    Where did anyone say, or even imply that?


  • #5899
    Nonoperational
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,401 ✭✭✭Nonoperational


    The simple fact is that the vast vast majority of people who get Covid will never have a CT scan, be in hospital, or even know they had it. A small study of 70 people in China is far from being extrapolated to the wider population.

    I could equally give the anecdote that of all the people I know that had it in a personal capacity, not one has a hint of a lasting adverse effect, including myself.


  • #5900
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Allinall wrote: »
    Where did anyone say, or even imply that?

    There is a whole thread on this very forum were lots of posters doubt that people actually recover.

    The last page or two on here, people are talking about losing limbs to Covid.

    Now that we know that people under 70 have very little chance of dying, its as if people need to start a new form of scaremongering. And that is suggesting that younger people will be permanently damaged by Covid. Which there is no actual evidence to suggest.


  • #5901
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    There is a whole thread on this very forum were lots of posters doubt that people actually recover.

    The last page or two on here, people are talking about losing limbs to Covid.

    Now that we know that people under 70 have very little chance of dying, its as if people need to start a new form of scaremongering. And that is suggesting that younger people will be permanently damaged by Covid. Which there is no actual evidence to suggest.

    There are significant air quality issues in China. I would not be surprised if the effects from these have a far greater impact on health.


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  • #5902
    s1ippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    Serious denial and inability to accept grave realities going on in this thread.


  • #5903
    Nonoperational
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,401 ✭✭✭Nonoperational


    s1ippy wrote: »
    Serious denial and inability to accept grave realities going on in this thread.

    What are you referring to?


  • #5904
    LuckyLloyd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,633 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    Ginger n Lemon’s posts in absolute bits in this thread. This has become such a bizarre little worm hole of a thread.

    The vast vast majority of people I have come across in the real world appreciate the serious nature of this illness and the need for continued collective vigilance. The opinion protested the loudest on this thread is crank nonsense wholly unsupported by data.


  • #5905
    Santy2015
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,065 ✭✭✭Santy2015


    12 people in ICU with COVID 19 and 40 in hospital. Question I’ve always been meaning to ask. Does that 40 include icu?
    If it does we are on our way to zero people in hospital fairly fast.
    Saw news report that the inmo are saying 60% of healthcare workers are still ill.. those figures are surely wrong.


  • #5906
    Penfailed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,696 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    Captain_Crash wrote: »
    In general day to day life:

    A long term building project would be years
    A sports player signs long term contract, is always a number of years.
    A long term car loan, 3 to 5 years
    In fact in property, a 6 months lease (twice the amount of time we've had restrictions in place) is considered a short term lease

    EDIT: This was the first answer when I type "definition of long term" into Google
    "A term is a period of duration, time or occurrence, in relation to an event. ... In finance or financial operations of borrowing and investing, what is considered long-term is usually above 3 years, with medium-term usually between 1 and 3 years and short-term usually under 1 year"

    Tell that to Belfast City Airport! :D I found out to my detriment that the short stay car park is much shorter than Friday afternoon to Sunday afternoon :lol:

    Gigs '24 - Ben Ottewell and Ian Ball (Gomez), The Jesus & Mary Chain, The Smashing Pumpkins/Weezer, Pearl Jam, Green Day, Stendhal Festival, Forest Fest, Electric Picnic, Pixies, Ride, Therapy?, Public Service Broadcasting, IDLES, And So I Watch You From Afar

    Gigs '25 - Spiritualized, Supergrass, Stendhal Festival, Forest Fest, Queens of the Stone Age, Electric Picnic, Vantastival, Getdown Services, And So I Watch You From Afar



  • #5907
    manniot2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 713 ✭✭✭manniot2


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    Ginger n Lemon’s posts in absolute bits in this thread. This has become such a bizarre little worm hole of a thread.

    The vast vast majority of people I have come across in the real world appreciate the serious nature of this illness and the need for continued collective vigilance. The opinion protested the loudest on this thread is crank nonsense wholly unsupported by data.

    Lets all eat sh1t - a million flies cannot be wrong


  • #5908
    acequion
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,017 ✭✭✭acequion


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    Ginger n Lemon’s posts in absolute bits in this thread. This has become such a bizarre little worm hole of a thread.

    The vast vast majority of people I have come across in the real world appreciate the serious nature of this illness and the need for continued collective vigilance. The opinion protested the loudest on this thread is crank nonsense wholly unsupported by data.

    You might quit your hyperbole as we can all play that game. Because I could say that the vast, vast majority are not for "continued collective vigilance" while the economy falls apart. Who's right and who's wrong? All anecdotal.


  • #5909
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,892 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    AUDI20 wrote: »
    Much the same as finding any logic in your posts

    Oh dear that insight really hurt me :D


  • #5910
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    Ginger n Lemon’s posts in absolute bits in this thread. This has become such a bizarre little worm hole of a thread.

    The vast vast majority of people I have come across in the real world appreciate the serious nature of this illness and the need for continued collective vigilance. The opinion protested the loudest on this thread is crank nonsense wholly unsupported by data.

    Will they still be so understanding if they lose their jobs, the Covid payment is cancelled and the bank won't give them a payment holiday on their mortgage?

    The vast vast majority of people don't understand how the economy works.


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  • #5911
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Nonoperational wrote: »
    The simple fact is that the vast vast majority of people who get Covid will never have a CT scan, be in hospital, or even know they had it. A small study of 70 people in China is far from being extrapolated to the wider population.

    I could equally give the anecdote that of all the people I know that had it in a personal capacity, not one has a hint of a lasting adverse effect, including myself.

    how do you know if you haven't had a CT scan?


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