Masks

Away With The Fairies · 18-06-2020 11:06AM

Yes: valved

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Did anyone enlighten him to the dangers of what he did there. It's cringeworthy and downright dangerous behavior on his part.
It's exactly why I'm anti mask as the general public at large and even the minster for health don't know how to use them or realize the dangers, stick the covid you just blocked into your pocket, it'll be grand he says, what an absolute plonker.

What did he do that was dangerous? Face covering in a bag? It's better stored in a clean plastic bag in your pocket than just in your pocket with your keys and wallet.

maninasia · 18-06-2020 11:24AM

Yes: homemade

AdamD wrote: »

I agree the messaging has been shambolic, I'm just not sure I agree that they are quite as important as some people make out. However they do make a difference so the government should have pushed it harder and earlier.

I'm not disputing they're useful, though they do not bring the R value below one, our R value has been below 1 for weeks on end with minimal mask use. This is the point I'm trying to get across, a lot of people on the internet are getting very emotional about mask use, but to the man on the street who sees the country opening and cases dropping daily without masks, its a hard sell this late on.

Why are you trying to deem people 'emotional' when they have a point?

Masks on there own could potentially bring the RO below 1, if everybody wore them in public. It's possible because this disease is mainly spread through respiratory transmission and not touch as originally suggested. However it would be foolhardy to just rely on one control measure.

The point about wearing masks is they allow you to do stuff that it is difficult to do without them, like sharing crowded public transport or classrooms. Hence...Masks. I don't see why that is a hard sell.

Seanergy · 18-06-2020 11:24AM

Yes: valved

AdamD wrote: »

Well when our figures continue to drop, despite easing restrictions and despite nobody wearing masks, you can forgive the public for thinking they may not be all that neccesary.

You are clever with your wording but it's just blame spin at the end of the day.

Very noble of you to forgive the public so easily. The truth of the matter is the public are not forming opinions on the usefullness of masks based on dropping figures and easing restrictions they simply are no longer trusting the voice of authority. The shambolic messaging has taken it's toll, Public no longer willing to let GOV melt their brains. They are not listening. You are completely disconnected from knowing how and why the public think and act. Trust has been lost, GOV have not realised it. Don't redirect blame onto public, leave it in the hands of the GOV.

AdamD wrote: »

I agree the messaging has been shambolic, I'm just not sure I agree that they are quite as important as some people make out. However they do make a difference so the government should have pushed it harder and earlier.

I'm not disputing they're useful, but to the man on the street who sees the country opening and cases dropping daily without masks, its a hard sell this late on.

Harder and earlier would not have made a massive difference as your aluding to. Public opinion was formed with the first impression which was GOV's doing. Weigh it up, 3 months of solid unrelenting mask bashing during high spread times V 1 month of limp choose if you want to wear one advice during wind down times. GOV can keep pushing harder n faster it ain't going to hit the spot!

The only way to undo this is as we are all saying on this thread is to educate people about why they should be wearing masks. But first things first the GOV needs to regain trust.

Once again GOV cannot sell something to public who is not listening, majority of sales are emotional anyway not logical. Change of tact needed asap.

Seanergy · 18-06-2020 11:34AM

Yes: valved

ednwireland wrote: »

but still not wearing it :rolleyes:

Dail chambers play the 2 hour limit rule instead, thanks to speical advice from the very speical Professor Martin Cormica.

expectationlost · 18-06-2020 12:02PM

parents bought some masks.... masks that say nto to used or medical purposes or for use a ppe... 1 layer of polyamide

odyssey06 · 18-06-2020 12:06PM

expectationlost wrote: »

parents bought some masks.... masks that say nto to used or medical purposes or for use a ppe... 1 layer of polyamide

Only to be used in the event of an armed robbery.

iamwhoiam · 18-06-2020 01:15PM

For anyone struggling with glasses fogging up I got a good tip from my daughter .Put a folded tissue over your nose under the mask , it actually worked like a treat and no fogging up at all .

Seanergy · 18-06-2020 02:34PM

Yes: valved

Posts like this make you wonder if that large shipment of masks ever arrived from South Korea. HSE not only sending billions out of the country on PPE but spending a small fortune on couriers nationally sending lucky boxes like this one! They were dubbed lucky boxes months, this is not a new trend.

Thankfully BCT(volunteers) have a good radar and picked up the case and client gettin sorted!

https://twitter.com/amymorgangp/status/1273541674522816513

brendanwalsh · 19-06-2020 08:11PM

Yes: other

Masks is so obvious a way to stop spread. It is direct source control of the entry and exit point of the virus, if everyone wear a mask life could get back to normal much quicker, and wearing a mask is the least restrictive impingement on personal freedom. The way some of the anti maskers go on you’d swear we were living in nazi Germany, have a bit of cop on and common sense and wear your masks.

McGiver · 19-06-2020 10:45PM

No: I don't care enough

maninasia wrote:

This country is also rapidly getting richer compared to many Western countries simply because they didn't half arse the response.

What's that country if I may ask? Thailand?

ShineOn7 · 20-06-2020 01:22AM

Yes: surgical

Face Masks May Be The Key Determinant Of The Covid-19 Curve, Study Suggests

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2020/06/13/face-masks-may-be-the-key-determinant-of-the-covid-19-curve-study-suggests/?fbclid=IwAR22HEuuwVRoXtQlj1fE0gOvCGGfaPVHrno4G9FrpbYIR7r8GcP0gllXdBA#7f88de046497

MipMap · 20-06-2020 01:38AM

Yes: homemade

Was just wondering.
Can anyone tell me, any country, anywhere in the world where mask wearing is universally accepted but who have had, nevertheless, a bad experience with Covid 19 ?

I honestly cannot think of a single one.

granturismo · 21-06-2020 08:37PM

No: other

MipMap wrote: »

Was just wondering.
Can anyone tell me, any country, anywhere in the world where mask wearing is universally accepted but who have had, nevertheless, a bad experience with Covid 19 ?

I honestly cannot think of a single one.

China?

Seanergy · 22-06-2020 07:57PM

Yes: valved

The future of masks is clear.

Gotta love the idea of a reusable see through liquid silicon rubber mask with filters and appreciate that it's makers intend to make the final prototype as open-source for all to use, ASAP. Donate or learn more here; https://join.pcf.org/mask Whilst I would argue about the choosen filter location, you just can't knock the attitude.

Seanergy · 22-06-2020 08:02PM

Yes: valved

Operation FFCN update.

Percentage of adults wearing face coverings up from 34 per cent to 41 per cent.

stephenjmcd · 22-06-2020 08:31PM

Seanergy wrote: »

Operation FFCN update.

Percentage of adults wearing face coverings up from 34 per cent to 41 per cent.

Percentage who reply to survey, we're assuming all replies are truthful. Theres not a hope in hell from being out and about that 41% are wearing them.

Zardoz · 22-06-2020 09:10PM

Yes: other

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Percentage who reply to survey, we're assuming all replies are truthful. Theres not a hope in hell from being out and about that 41% are wearing them.

From what I've experienced very few people are wearing masks.
If it's ten per cent of people, it's alot.

LadyMayBelle · 22-06-2020 09:21PM

Not a hope that's accurate. Have an interviewer stand in lidl in Galway and see the coughing and sputtering that goes on in there. Masks? Forget it.

Arrival · 23-06-2020 01:03AM

Imagine how well we'd be doing now if they'd have done this back in March and our leaders wore masks in the public eye

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVLZHDdEBR0

23-06-2020 01:09AM

They know the public is so averse to the word mask and how Asian it is so they had to change it to face covering.

MadYaker · 23-06-2020 05:28AM

Yes: surgical

Bit annoying to read Tony Holohan saying the level of mask wearing among the public is “disappointing”. I wonder why that is Tony? Could it be because the government, presumably based on your advice, still haven’t mandated mask wearing?

It’s nowhere near 41%, more like 20% at most.

dfx- · 23-06-2020 07:17AM

No: other

The 'mandatory' use of masks over here in the UK is a joke. Between misuse and mishandling, non-compliance is through the roof. People have them on boarding transport and then removing them from their nose when seated.

Who knew non-compliance would be a thing.

Seanergy · 23-06-2020 11:24AM

Yes: valved

Tony Holohan's wording as of 17th June to a webinar of 1500+ Irish GP's was still not enough direct evidence.

Away With The Fairies · 23-06-2020 11:48AM

Yes: valved

Seanergy wrote: »

Tony Holohan's wording as of 17th June to a webinar of 1500+ Irish GP's was still not enough direct evidence.

What did he say?

na1 · 23-06-2020 03:08PM

dfx- wrote: »

The 'mandatory' use of masks over here in the UK is a joke. Between misuse and mishandling, non-compliance is through the roof. People have them on boarding transport and then removing them from their nose when seated.

Who knew non-compliance would be a thing.

I just saw 'an offer' yesterday in a local shop five disposable masks for €9!
Five disposable masks, for nearly €2 each!

And they recommend them to be changed every couple hours.
So in worse case If you're outside a lot you use 5 masks in a day. And you're expecting spending €63 a week or €273 a month!

Seanergy · 23-06-2020 03:25PM

Yes: valved

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

What did he say?

Webinar available to rewatch, sign up is free, just 20 odd boxes to fill out, I couldn't be arsed, maybe you might be, fair play to you.

ICGP National Webinars and Podcasts on COVID-19

Seanergy · 23-06-2020 03:33PM

Yes: valved

'An absolute scandal': Ireland has the highest Covid infection rate for healthcare workers in the world, committee told

One nurse was sent home for wearing a face mask during their shift, Ní Sheaghdha said, stating that the worker was told that it was not HSE policy.

The matter became an industrial issue.....

When the HSE face mask policy for healthcare workers was rolled out on 22 April, the infection rate of workers dropped dramatically.

ShamNNspace · 23-06-2020 03:45PM

Yes: to protect myself and others

Seanergy wrote: »

'An absolute scandal': Ireland has the highest Covid infection rate for healthcare workers in the world, committee told

One nurse was sent home for wearing a face mask during their shift, Ní Sheaghdha said, stating that the worker was told that it was not HSE policy.

The matter became an industrial issue.....

When the HSE face mask policy for healthcare workers was rolled out on 22 April, the infection rate of workers dropped dramatically.

Heard it on the news earlier... Unbelievable

RoYoBo · 23-06-2020 04:19PM

Yes: valved

Back at the beginning, when few people I encountered were wearing masks, I thought it was insulting to hear the insistence that most people would not be correctly wearing/removing or disposing of masks.

Now, unfortunately, I see the evidence (literally) staring me in the face. The number of people with masks at half mast covering their mouth only, or round their necks, or faffing around with them as they go is unreal. Add to that the amount of used masks thrown off and dumped in car parks to blow around in the wind!

Today, I watched a woman emerging from the local health centre taking off her mask by the front, smoothing it with both hands and then carefully rolling it into a ball before putting it into her handbag. Then, she rubbed her hands all over her face for good measure!

I have no idea how this can be addressed. The problem seems to be that people don't know that they don't know how to use a mask properly, so they don't even attempt to find out

jimmycrackcorm · 23-06-2020 04:27PM

MadYaker wrote: »

Bit annoying to read Tony Holohan saying the level of mask wearing among the public is “disappointing”. I wonder why that is Tony? Could it be because the government, presumably based on your advice, still haven’t mandated mask wearing?

It’s nowhere near 41%, more like 20% at most.

Seeing as most if not all shops have staff who are enforcing queues to allow people in, just make it mandatory for shops to also only allow in people wearing masks. That way people will take it up.

Once people see everyone else wearing them, then it'll become habitual. At the moment there isn't a critical mass of people wearing them so as to make it appear normal to increase uptake.

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