Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

Plumbthedepths · 22-06-2020 06:37PM

eagle eye wrote: »

And let's be honest, anybody getting on a plane to go on holidays in the next while is an idiot.

What an arrogant and stupid comment.

Micky 32 · 22-06-2020 06:37PM

Arghus wrote: »

Guilty as charged, I do not have a professional background in airline air filtration systems. Are you an expert? I'm always keen to know more about subjects I'm discussing. Any resources you can supply would be greatly appreciated.

The plane ride itself is only part of it though. There's the airport before and after and the destination. If you're comparing it to a bus ride - I don't stand around in the bus station for hours and hours with total strangers from all over, both before and after I get my bus. Well, not usually anyway.

You missed part of my post, i said to a country that has equally supressed the virus. It’s quite easy to find a quite spot around the airport that keeps you 2m away from anyone.

You could end up sitting next to someone on public transport with the virus just as easily. Planes are no more dangerous than public transport.

Am i an expert? Nope but i succesfully protected myself from getting the virus while i had to work through the lockdown interacting with a lot people and having to travel significantly beyond the 2km boundary.

But it seems you are one of the many experts on here, so please do carry on. ;-)

Btw i’m not biased i have no intention sitting on a plane, train or bus this year.

Away With The Fairies · 22-06-2020 06:38PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Strangely enough most of the time spent in hospital is not in theatre

Infections in the operating room does happen as well though.

Boggles · 22-06-2020 06:40PM

Arghus wrote: »

I can always go on holidays in six months or next year -

Depending on destination, I would hazard a guess and say you would be a lot safer going on holidays now then you would be in 6 months.

Couple of pints in a beer garden will suit me this summer.

Can't afford a holiday anyway until Ryanair decide when I'm entitled to get back my own money from the last one I booked.

eagle eye · 22-06-2020 06:41PM

Plumbthedepths wrote:

What an arrogant and stupid comment.

It's neither, it's just fact.

ACitizenErased · 22-06-2020 06:42PM

eagle eye wrote: »

It's neither, it's just fact.

You're assuming that everyone who goes on holidays is going to go out of their way to get infected and bring it home. I'm planning to head to Germany by the year's end. I know I'll be able to look after myself and my family do too. No issue there.

Arghus · 22-06-2020 06:45PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

You missed part of my post, i said to a country that has equally supressed the virus. It’s quite easy to find a quite spot around the airport that keeps you 2m away from anyone.

You could end up sitting next to someone on public transport with the virus just as easily. Planes are no more dangerous than public transport.

Am i an expert? Nope but i succesfully protected myself from getting the virus while i had to work through the lockdown interacting with a lot people and having to travel significantly beyond the 2km boundary.

But it seems you are one of the many experts on here, so please do carry on. ;-)

Btw i’m not biased i have no intention sitting on a plane, train or bus this year.

Well, statistically, at the moment you aren't as likely to end up sitting beside someone on public transport in Ireland with the virus. We had four confirmed cases today.

I've never claimed to be an expert on anything on here, just another person giving my opinion. I'm always receptive to having my mind changed by a persuasive argument.

Micky 32 · 22-06-2020 06:47PM

Arghus wrote: »

Well, statistically, at the moment you aren't as likely to end up sitting beside someone on public transport in Irealnd with the virus. We had four confirmed cases today.

I've never claimed to be an expert on anything on here, just another person giving my opinion. I'm always receptive to having my mind changed by a persuasive argument.

Well statistically at the moment the same applies to planes provided it’s to an equally virus supressed country and not Brazil..

Plumbthedepths · 22-06-2020 06:48PM

eagle eye wrote: »

It's neither, it's just fact.

It's not a fact it's your arrogance, describing people who go on holidays as idiots.

22-06-2020 06:51PM

Arghus wrote: »

It's not near as bad, perhaps, but it's still not perfectly safe either. Filtration systems or not there's still going to be a certain amount of air going around being exhaled and inhaled. It's not all instantly whisked away immediately into the filtration system, surely it has to circulate a little in the cabin - unless, of course, everyone is hooked up to some breathing apparatus.

They've put measure in place to make it safer, maybe, indeed, as safe as it can be, but that doesn't really make inherently safe, it just diminishes risk - it doesn't remove it.

And while there's no cases - if you say so, do we know for sure if there actually is literally no reported clusters linked to air-travel? - linked to air-travel, there is more than a lot linked to tourist destinations themselves. Skiing trips to Italy and Austria in February/March in particular. I, personally, would be a little reluctant to insert myself into a comparable situation like that again with haste. I'd be giving those potential locations a wide berth for a few months at least. Once people start moving around and crossing borders again in large numbers surely the chances of a resurgence of the spread of the virus goes up accordingly. Now, maybe that won't happen - maybe we'll are be incredibly fortunate. But I'd rather wait to see how that pans out - I can always go on holidays in six months or next year - than to just say fck it and hope for the best, without really knowing the full picture.

But, like you say, it's a personal choice and no-one, let's be honest, is really here to have their opinion changed on just about anything.

If the countries who open up to eachother all have similar levels of infection would international travel really increase its spread? Say if the EU only allowed internal EU travel

Arghus · 22-06-2020 06:51PM

Boggles wrote: »

Depending on destination, I would hazard a guess and say you would be a lot safer going on holidays now then you would be in 6 months.

Couple of pints in a beer garden will suit me this summer.

Can't afford a holiday anyway until Ryanair decide when I'm entitled to get back my own money from the last one I booked.

I see what you're saying. In the same way that I don't feel unduly concerned about picking up the virus right now, today, as I go about my business. I know that it's currently at such low levels in the community that the chances of running into it are absolutely minuscule - but I would wonder if it's going to stay that way indefinitely, my attitude to personal risk will change depending on the future path of the virus.

It's more a case of I can happily wait 6 months, because I can live without going on a foreign holiday - it's not something I regard as essential - and I'd rather sit back and let others, who simply can't wait, volunteer themselves for the giant science experiment.

Micky 32 · 22-06-2020 06:52PM

AdamD wrote: »

If the countries who open up to eachother all have similar levels of infection would international travel really increase its spread? Say if the EU only allowed internal EU travel

I find it interesting that NI have such low cases even though it’s fully open with it’s mainland border UK, flights going in and out.

Arghus · 22-06-2020 06:53PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Well statistically at the moment the same applies to planes provided it’s to an equally virus supressed country and not Brazil..

We can agree to disagree

stephenjmcd · 22-06-2020 06:53PM

eagle eye wrote: »

It's neither, it's just fact.

Its actually not fact either. Its just your opinion. Which appears willfully ignorant and assuming everyone who gets on a plane is stupid

Renjit · 22-06-2020 06:58PM

seamus wrote: »

Ebola can live longer.

But we don't worry about Ebola because the odds of someone with Ebola having handled your box of cornflakes is very small.

But it turns out now that the odds of someone with Covid having handled it 3 days ago is also insanely low. Letting stuff sit for 3 days was probably an extreme but understandable measure a month ago if you have at risk people in the house.

Each to their own, everyone is entitled to manage their risk as they see fit, but I would be concerned that if you're still scrubbing the house in bleach and having panic attacks when a stranger walks by, then you might need to disconnect from social media and catastrophising.

Here and Twitter are the absolute pits for gossiping and fearmongering. If you're spending all day online, you need to take a week off and come up for air.

Next time do not wear seat belts

eagle eye · 22-06-2020 07:01PM

ACitizenErased wrote:

You're assuming that everyone who goes on holidays is going to go out of their way to get infected and bring it home. I'm planning to head to Germany by the year's end. I know I'll be able to look after myself and my family do too. No issue there.

No, just idiotic as in getting on planes with people they have no clue about.
And more than that, if they are stupid enough to get on a plane you couldn't trust that they do the right things to steer clear of it at home.
I'd love a holiday, long overdue one and was planning to go to Switzerland for 10 days in August and then onto the US for two weeks but I'm going nowhere that I'll spend a lot of time in an enclosed space with strangers until this thing is over.

DebDynamite · 22-06-2020 07:01PM

Because of our lockdown and very drawn-out reopening, we’ve actually found ourselves now being one of the best countries in Europe in terms of numbers. I think it’s bonkers now to open up the country to international travel or have no mandatory quarantine, and completely undo all the hard work and sacrifices made, just to let people from the likes of the UK, US and Brazil into the country, and the very low numbers of Irish people who will travel abroad.

If we limit international travel for the next few months (I’m not even talking for the rest of the year), we might have some semblance of normality here for those of us us who live here. We could go to sporting events, and have small festivals, etc. The amount of Irish people travelling will be minuscule anyway - perhaps if we stay here and spend our money here, we can get the economy going that we all seem to care so much about.

22-06-2020 07:05PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Infections in the operating room does happen as well though.

It’s surfaces, materials and people that are the primary vectors not air, which is why it’s not relevant to the discussion on HEPA filtration

Micky 32 · 22-06-2020 07:07PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It’s surfaces, materials and people that are the primary vectors not air, which is why it’s not relevant to the discussion on HEPA filtration

Yes, it actually lives on your skin.

pc7 · 22-06-2020 07:08PM

lukas8888 wrote: »

Can anyone come up with a logical explanation of how the assorted canary islands has had very few infections despite not locking down until mid March,
and was packed with thousands of tourists from all over Europe.

The tourists probably all flew back to their home countries. Sunshine, outside eating etc may have provided a type of social distancing?

stephenjmcd · 22-06-2020 07:09PM

eagle eye wrote: »

No, just idiotic as in getting on planes with people they have no clue about.
And more than that, if they are stupid enough to get on a plane you couldn't trust that they do the right things to steer clear of it at home.
I'd love a holiday, long overdue one and was planning to go to Switzerland for 10 days in August and then onto the US for two weeks but I'm going nowhere that I'll spend a lot of time in an enclosed space with strangers until this thing is over.

You may as well just stay at home until a vaccine with an attitude like that.

Your still branding everyone that gets on a plane as stupid even if they're following all the advice, that's just wilful ignorance.

People have for years got on a plane with people they've no clue about and now there's more precautions in place.

Your entitled to your opinion on travel but to brand everyone the same by being stupid or an idiot isn't accurate

Boggles · 22-06-2020 07:09PM

DebDynamite wrote: »

Because of our lockdown and very drawn-out reopening, we’ve actually found ourselves now being one of the best countries in Europe in terms of numbers. I think it’s bonkers now to open up the country to international travel or have no mandatory quarantine, and completely undo all the hard work and sacrifices made, just to let people from the likes of the UK, US and Brazil into the country, and the very low numbers of Irish people who will travel abroad.

If we limit international travel for the next few months (I’m not even talking for the rest of the year), we might have some semblance of normality here for those of us us who live here. We could go to sporting events, and have small festivals, etc. The amount of Irish people travelling will be minuscule anyway - perhaps if we stay here and spend our money here, we can get the economy going that we all seem to care so much about.

The ideal situation is to quarantine the entire island and limit travel to other safe countries preferably islands, it's what the likes of Japan, Oz and NZ are going to do apparently.

Is it doable or feasible here at this moment in time? There is absolutely no will for it in either country. So no.

That said it could be an idea that gains the right amount of traction in the future.

Micky 32 · 22-06-2020 07:11PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

If HEPA filters are really so good in hospitals, how come MRSA infections are so easily picked up in hospitals after surgery?

I fly to the USA 2/3 times a year for the last 15 years. I have never been sick afterwards, i never even caught a cold.

Cork Boy 53 · 22-06-2020 07:13PM

DebDynamite wrote: »

Because of our lockdown and very drawn-out reopening, we’ve actually found ourselves now being one of the best countries in Europe in terms of numbers. I think it’s bonkers now to open up the country to international travel or have no mandatory quarantine, and completely undo all the hard work and sacrifices made, just to let people from the likes of the UK, US and Brazil into the country, and the very low numbers of Irish people who will travel abroad.

If we limit international travel for the next few months (I’m not even talking for the rest of the year), we might have some semblance of normality here for those of us us who live here. We could go to sporting events, and have small festivals, etc. The amount of Irish people travelling will be minuscule anyway - perhaps if we stay here and spend our money here, we can get the economy going that we all seem to care so much about.

I stated this previously and I will do so again now. Many of the brigade who are continuously moaning about the restrictions being too slow to be lifted and that the country should have been opened up months ago etc etc etc are the very same ones who want flights to sun holiday destinations to start up ASAP so that they can get out of Ireland and help another country`s economy while doing sweet FA for our own. You couldn`t make it up.

Micky 32 · 22-06-2020 07:15PM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

I stated this previously and I will do so again now. Many of the brigade who are continuously moaning about the restrictions being too slow to be lifted and that the country should have been opened up months ago etc etc etc are the very same ones who want flights to sun holiday destinations to start up ASAP so that they can get out of Ireland and help another country`s economy. You couldn`t make it up.

What an arrogant post, let me guess your farts don’t stink, right?

22-06-2020 07:22PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Yes, it actually lives on your skin.

Thanks, I forgot about that one. Haven’t a large portion of those who develop MRSA Post op actually been exposed pre op, even pre hospitalisation

stephenjmcd · 22-06-2020 07:22PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

What an arrogant post, let me guess your farts don’t stink, right?

First it was everyone wants everything opened up so they could go to the pub now its to go on holidays. What will next weeks reason be ?

schmoo2k · 22-06-2020 07:24PM

eagle eye wrote: »

It's neither, it's just fact.

LOL more idiotic to try and support a blanket statement like that I would have thought...

Plumbthedepths · 22-06-2020 07:27PM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

I stated this previously and I will do so again now. Many of the brigade who are continuously moaning about the restrictions being too slow to be lifted and that the country should have been opened up months ago etc etc etc are the very same ones who want flights to sun holiday destinations to start up ASAP so that they can get out of Ireland and help another country`s economy while doing sweet FA for our own. You couldn`t make it up.

I've worked hard during the lockdown paid my taxes etc I didn't sit on my ass collecting €350 telling people to 'stay the fuçk at home'. If I want to get on a plane when the government deems it safe to do so I will. I don't need to stay in Ireland and be gouged by the hospitality industry which has been shut for 3 months with a poor value offering. I can spend 49 other weeks of the year paying high prices and taxes to support the economy. Watch out for the first step off your horse, I heard it's the trickiest.

Seamai · 22-06-2020 07:34PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

What an arrogant post, let me guess your farts don’t stink, right?

In fairness spending our money here in this country is the best way to help our own economy to get back on it's feet, no one else is going to do it for us.

Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

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