Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings

Penfailed · 21-06-2020 07:35PM

Jayesdiem wrote: »

Unfortunately for me, I’ve spent pretty much the last two weeks banned because I share your opinions (which are the wrong opinions here - come get me for a third time mod, idgaf).

Ha! I very much doubt you were banned for having an opinion. Are you trying to be some kind of martyr for the cause? People shared opinions on both sides of the argument lots of times on this thread without getting banned.

Jayesdiem · 21-06-2020 07:45PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Ha! I very much doubt you were banned for having an opinion. Are you trying to be some kind of martyr for the cause? People shared opinions on both sides of the argument lots of times on this thread without getting banned.

Martyr? You’re coming on very strong there. True, plenty haven’t been banned, but plenty have too. It’s obvious, if you have a strong and forthright opinion that happens to point in the WRONG direction, you will receive a ban at one time or another. There is definitely a study in that! I’ll leave it up to you to calculate what the wrong opinion is on this thread/forum.

Lundstram · 21-06-2020 07:47PM

0 deaths, 6 cases.

Still can't get your haircut, though, ya hairy bollox.

Penfailed · 21-06-2020 07:51PM

Jayesdiem wrote: »

Martyr? You’re coming on very strong there. True, plenty haven’t been banned, but plenty have too. It’s obvious, if you have a strong and forthright opinion that happens to point in the WRONG direction, you will receive a ban at one time or another. There is definitely a study in that! I’ll leave it up to you to calculate what the wrong opinion is on this thread/forum.

Yeah, plenty have, on BOTH sides of the argument. Which means your opinion on this one doesn't stack up. There's no 'wrong' opinion. It's how you try to put it across that appears to be the problem.

21-06-2020 08:09PM

Incredible the level of restrictions that are in place at the moment considering we had 6 cases and 0 deaths today.

Reopening is way too slow.

VonLuck · 21-06-2020 08:58PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Incredible the level of restrictions that are in place at the moment considering we had 6 cases and 0 deaths today.

Reopening is way too slow.

The level of restrictions is why the cases are so low. How is this so difficult for you to understand?

Stark · 21-06-2020 09:04PM

I was one of the people giving out not so long ago that we were moving way too slowly. But given that everything except high risk activities like pubs and mass gatherings seem to be given the go-ahead for next week, I'm not sure how you could argue that that's still the case.

snowcat · 21-06-2020 09:16PM

crossman47 wrote: »

Yes, sensible people are wearing masks. You protect me and I protect you. its basic common sense in crowded places.

I am a sensible person and could see a covering was necessary when the pandemic was raging. I wore one and goggles. I did not need advice from some medic and his cohorts when it was obvious that they would help in a respiratory epidemic. Now that i know more and understand the risk is tiny at the moment i find it infuriating that Tony and the nphets can do such an about face and suddenly shame people in to wearing them.

Ginger n Lemon · 21-06-2020 09:30PM

Stark wrote: »

I was one of the people giving out not so long ago that we were moving way too slowly. But given that everything except high risk activities like pubs and mass gatherings seem to be given the go-ahead for next week, I'm not sure how you could argue that that's still the case.

What changes on 20th of July? Pubs risk profile comes down?

Ginger n Lemon · 21-06-2020 09:34PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Incredible the level of restrictions that are in place at the moment considering we had 6 cases and 0 deaths today.

Reopening is way too slow.

It is. We have had miniscule number of new cases per day for the last 4 weeks. Country of 4,900,000 population like.

Yet some businesses will stay closed till 20th july, 1 more month from now? Bizarre

Stark · 21-06-2020 09:35PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

What changes on 20th of July? Pubs risk profile comes down?

Vintner's association lobbying succeeds.

Pete_Cavan · 21-06-2020 09:42PM

Stark wrote: »

I was one of the people giving out not so long ago that we were moving way too slowly. But given that everything except high risk activities like pubs and mass gatherings seem to be given the go-ahead for next week, I'm not sure how you could argue that that's still the case.

Can hairdressers, pubs and restaurants be considered high risk when other European countries have had them open for over a month now and no sign of the dreaded second wave? There is no evidence to support our prolonged lockdown.

SusieBlue · 21-06-2020 09:48PM

Most retail has been open for just under 2 weeks now, we’ve also had people in and out of coffee shops/cafes for takeaway, protests with thousands of people in attendance and people are socialising in groups in their homes, gardens and public parks for easily over a month now, yet we still only had 6 cases today.

It really seems like social distancing and not lockdown/ closure of businesses is what’s needed to manage the virus.
We’ve had no dreaded spike or surge in cases from retail being reopening, protests happening or people socialising in groups. Cases are still going down by the day.

It beggars belief as to why we can only go to the pub for 90 minutes at a time with a €9 substantial meal come next week.
That’s absolutely crazy.
I wouldn’t be in favour of a free for all, but sitting in a bar with a glass of wine without being obliged to order food and leaving after an hour and a half would be nice and I don’t see why that can’t be done from the 29th onwards.

Stark · 21-06-2020 09:50PM

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

Can hairdressers, pubs and restaurants be considered high risk when other European countries have had them open for over a month now and no sign of the dreaded second wave? There is no evidence to support our prolonged lockdown.

Hairdressers and restaurants open next week.

acequion · 21-06-2020 09:54PM

Jayesdiem wrote: »

Martyr? You’re coming on very strong there. True, plenty haven’t been banned, but plenty have too. It’s obvious, if you have a strong and forthright opinion that happens to point in the WRONG direction, you will receive a ban at one time or another. There is definitely a study in that! I’ll leave it up to you to calculate what the wrong opinion is on this thread/forum.

Welcome back Jayesdiem. Your interesting posts will have been missed by many an open minded poster.

And I've been banned. For expressing opinions that don't suit a pro lockdown narrative and for robustly defending those opinions which got me caught up in heated arguments.

I fully share your fears and the fears of many others, not of Covid 19, but of another recession and share your anger that foolhardy Govt actions may have exacerbated the decline. I fervently hope not as a return to the type of austerity we experienced less than a decade ago would be as bad and a lot more wide reaching than any pandemic.

Ginger n Lemon · 21-06-2020 09:56PM

Stark wrote: »

Vintner's association lobbying succeeds.

So pubs association had to lobby govt to ensure pubs reopen after 4 full months of lockdown?

Jesus, 4 full months of lockdown. On 20th of July, it will be over 2 months since we flattened the curve. Let that sink in.

Penfailed · 21-06-2020 10:03PM

acequion wrote: »

And I've been banned. For expressing opinions that don't suit a pro lockdown narrative and for robustly defending those opinions which got me caught up in heated arguments.

Again, you weren't banned for expressing an opinion or defending those opinions. It was how you defended them and the heated arguments rather than the stance you took that was your downfall. Own it.

snowcat · 21-06-2020 10:07PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Again, you weren't banned for expressing an opinion or defending those opinions. It was how you defended them and the heated arguments rather than the stance you took that was your downfall. Own it.

Yes i was the same served two censorship bans for calling for a more sensible approach to the lockdown. Thankfully our voices saw reason.

average_runner · 21-06-2020 10:09PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

So pubs association had to lobby govt to ensure pubs reopen after 4 full months of lockdown?

Jesus, 4 full months of lockdown. On 20th of July, it will be over 2 months since we flattened the curve. Let that sink in.

There is alot more important things we should focus on before pubs. Pubs are not important and only add to the risk of spreading the virus

Ginger n Lemon · 21-06-2020 10:15PM

average_runner wrote: »

There is alot more important things we should focus on before pubs. Pubs are not important and only add to the risk of spreading the virus

What are those more important things? Cleaning empty hospitals? Changing bed sheets in those 100+ empty ICU beds?

Borrowing more money? We ll have quarter of a trillion debt within 12 months, country of less than 5 million people. Shure, lets keep pubs closed for 1 more month. That will totally control covid. Get them new cases to 1-2 as opposed to 6-8 per day. *rollseyes*

snowcat · 21-06-2020 10:16PM

average_runner wrote: »

There is alot more important things we should focus on before pubs. Pubs are not important and only add to the risk of spreading the virus

Yes like cancer screenings gp's schools

ShyMets · 21-06-2020 10:18PM

average_runner wrote: »

There is alot more important things we should focus on before pubs. Pubs are not important and only add to the risk of spreading the virus

Yes, there are more important things things then pubs. But for a lot of people Pubs are they're main social outlet. And many people are looking forward to their reopening.

There is no reason why pubs cant open safely

average_runner · 21-06-2020 10:22PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

What are those more important things? Cleaning empty hospitals? Changing bed sheets in those 100+ empty ICU beds?

Borrowing more money? We ll have quarter of a trillion debt within 12 months, country of less than 5 million people. Shure, lets keep pubs closed for 1 more month. That will totally control covid. Get them new cases to 1-2 as opposed to 6-8 per day. *rollseyes*

Hospitals arent empty, was in one yesterday where no cases for 23 days.
More important things are the schools, the cancer treatments, sports for kids.

average_runner · 21-06-2020 10:23PM

ShyMets wrote: »

Yes, there are more important things things then pubs. But for a lot of people Pubs are they're main social outlet. And many people are looking forward to their reopening.

There is no reason why pubs cant open safely

There is one big reason, we have a problem with alcohol and will lose the runs of ourselves. Just look at any time when pubs close for the night

Ginger n Lemon · 21-06-2020 10:27PM

average_runner wrote: »

Hospitals arent empty, was in one yesterday where no cases for 23 days.
More important things are the schools, the cancer treatments, sports for kids.

So opening pubs before 20th July will prevent us from getting those cancer treatments going? Oh the pro lockdown logic never fails to amaze me.

On 20th of July when pubs reopen, no sports for kids?

ShyMets · 21-06-2020 10:29PM

average_runner wrote: »

There is one big reason, we have a problem with alcohol and will lose the runs of ourselves. Just look at any time when pubs close for the night

Most people do not have a problem with alcohol. Pubs can and will be reopened with guidelines in place.

Ginger n Lemon · 21-06-2020 10:30PM

average_runner wrote: »

There is one big reason, we have a problem with alcohol and will lose the runs of ourselves. Just look at any time when pubs close for the night

this is brilliant.

You do realize people can get access to identical alcohol in restaurants right? I feel like you are a business owner whos competing with pubs, an offlicence owner perhaps?

road_high · 21-06-2020 10:31PM

snowcat wrote: »

Yes like cancer screenings gp's schools

But private business owners don’t run these things...so bit of a red herring to compare them. They’re state or semi state run or funded

21-06-2020 10:31PM

VonLuck wrote: »

The level of restrictions is why the cases are so low. How is this so difficult for you to understand?

That’s a load of rubbish. People like you have been terrified by the media into believing this nonsense. Not surprising when they keep giving air time to Gerry Killeen and his ilk. But you probably won’t die if you venture outside and live a little.

The curve was flattened over a month ago now. We could have lifted every restriction back then and we’d be in the same position now.

We’re the only country in Europe that still has restrictions like this. Why? Is the virus worse in Ireland than everywhere else?

A poster wanted nightclubs closed until a vaccine is found. Other posters want Xmas cancelled. It’s incredible stuff.

Our own CMO says we won’t need lockdown again. It was a panic work around until we got prepared.

We need to end this nonsense soon while there is still an economy to salvage. The Covid payment is due to end at the end of August. Banks will eventually require people to pay their loans and mortgages again.

This will hopefully help to refocus the minds.

Ginger n Lemon · 21-06-2020 10:32PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

That’s a load of rubbish. People like you have been terrified by the media into believing this nonsense. Not surprising when they keep giving air time to Gerry Killeen and his ilk. But you probably won’t die if you venture outside and live a little.

The curve was flattened over a month ago now. We could have lifted every restriction back then and we’d be in the same position now.

We’re the only country in Europe that still has restrictions like this. Why? Is the virus worse in Ireland than everywhere else?

A poster wanted nightclubs closed until a vaccine is found. Other posters want Xmas cancelled. It’s incredible stuff.

Our own CMO says we won’t need lockdown again. It was a panic work around until we got prepared.

We need to end this nonsense soon while there is still an economy to salvage. The Covid payment is due to end at the end of August. Banks will eventually require people to pay their loans and mortgages again.

This will hopefully help to refocus the minds.

Best post here since May. 100% agreed. Yes September will be a very sobering month

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings