Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

timsey tiger · 21-06-2020 06:27PM

Boggles wrote: »

The science is irrefutable on masks. They work. It's ridiculous the argument is still on going 7-8 months into a global pandemic.

The science was there from 1918, our experts just appeared to know better.

Away With The Fairies · 21-06-2020 06:28PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

What? It's vital to know when counties have cases. You have a problem with everything.

We live in Ireland, it's a small country, there's nobody winning in all this, the virus doesn't know county borders. When Ireland as a whole, gets to zero, that's a win.

ACitizenErased · 21-06-2020 06:29PM

Italy has today recorded it's lowest increase in deaths (+24) in a 24 hour period since the beginning of March.

ACitizenErased · 21-06-2020 06:30PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

We live in Ireland, it's a small country, there's nobody winning in all this, the virus doesn't know county borders. When Ireland as a whole, gets to zero, that's a win.

I reckon if I said black, you'd say white.

DevilsHaircut · 21-06-2020 06:31PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

You're making this out to be a competition.

That's the approach of David W. Higgins. Very popular on Twitter and 'Studying MSc Global Central Banking'.

Turn it into a GAA competition to boost everyone's morale.

ACitizenErased · 21-06-2020 06:32PM

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

That's the approach of David W. Higgins. Very popular on Twitter and 'Studying MSc Global Central Banking'.

Turn it into a GAA competition to boost everyone's morale.

Do you disagree with boosting morale? It's a fantastic way to praise counties who are doing well.

stephenjmcd · 21-06-2020 06:32PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

We live in Ireland, it's a small country, there's nobody winning in all this, the virus doesn't know county borders. When Ireland as a whole, gets to zero, that's a win.

If a county doesn't have a case its good news and should be reported on. We live in a small country so for any county to not have a case in x amount of days is a win for that county.

Take the postivies where you can get them even if thats difficult for some to do.

So from countys having massive numbers of cases each day to going on long runs of no cases, you don't call that a good thing ? I'd call it a win in the fight against covid.

Non solum non ambulabit · 21-06-2020 06:35PM

tom1ie wrote: »

Lol! Useless graphic. There’s 8 billion people on the planet now compared to 475 million in the 14th century. So of course the plagues % is going to be higher.
Unless I’m completely misunderstanding this graph which could be possible after a tin or two.........

What are you on about??? How is it useless? It is factual information. You obviously have an agenda on this thread.

Micky 32 · 21-06-2020 06:36PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

We live in Ireland, it's a small country, there's nobody winning in all this, the virus doesn't know county borders. When Ireland as a whole, gets to zero, that's a win.

It’s not going to be zero, not for a longtime anyway. You have 2 choices either get used to it and learn to live with it and protect yourself the best way you can or you can lock your self up and throw away the key.

I for one am delighted my county hasn’t had a case in over a week.

ACitizenErased · 21-06-2020 06:36PM

2 new cases in NZ today. 1 is the child of the couple from yesterday, the second is a woman who also travelled from India.

DevilsHaircut · 21-06-2020 06:45PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Do you disagree with boosting morale? It's a fantastic way to praise counties who are doing well.

Counties don't 'do' anything so praising them is nonsensical.

Right-wing economists have ulterior motives and are quoting selective stats when they have no business commenting on public health matters.

And for those previous 'winner counties' who hadn't had a case for weeks and then got one, where do you think it came from during lockdown?

ACitizenErased · 21-06-2020 06:46PM

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

Counties don't 'do' anything so praising them is nonsensical.

Right-wing economists have ulterior motives and are quoting selective stats when they have no business commenting on public health matters.

And for those previous 'winner counties' who hadn't had a case for weeks and then got one, where do you think it came from during lockdown?

Oh you're one of those types of posters, I see. Good evening!

wadacrack · 21-06-2020 06:51PM

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1274756751624228871

igCorcaigh · 21-06-2020 07:01PM

^^ could be localised spread bringing the overall R0 up? Can't assume it's widespread.

ZX7R · 21-06-2020 07:03PM

Boggles wrote: »

Not the first to make the claim. It's not actual hard science to put on paper and prove.

Italian public health have asked the "celebrity" doctors to do exactly this.

Radio silence.

The death rate is tied to a countries / states ability to cope or what effective measures they put in place.

For example in America they got fair warning from New York and took appropriate action to protect the most vulnerable. e.g care homes.

There is absolutely no concrete evidence the virus has weakened or become less deadly.

But from the article.

:pac:

Just to correct you,
The first Italian doctor to come forward with the allegation of the virus becoming weaker is not a celebrity doctor as you say.he is a head doctor from a hospital in Lombardi .
And he also has made his papers available for pir review to both the Italian ministry of health and the WHO.
At the same time an outbreak in a northern Provence of China broke out scientists and doctors from the region also clamed that the virus appeared to be a much milder form, theses clams are also been investigated by the WHO.
Other doctors have since came forward with the same allegations they may well be celebrity doctors with out any substance

stephenjmcd · 21-06-2020 07:07PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

^^ could be localised spread bringing the overall R0 up? Can't assume it's widespread.

In general in Germany R is considered close to 1. They've said it themselves this evening, large out breaks in meat plants are the contributor to rising R, its open to fluctuation due to this and the fact that Germany report daily

Renjit · 21-06-2020 07:15PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

2 new cases in NZ today. 1 is the child of the couple from yesterday, the second is a woman who also travelled from India.

Travelling from countries managing this virus barely is sure way to spread it. The should do mandatory quarantine for travelers and test them for covid-19.

ZX7R · 21-06-2020 07:20PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

In general in Germany R is considered closed to 1. They've said it themselves this evening, large out breaks in meat plants are the contributor to rising R, its open to fluctuation due to this and the fact that Germany report daily

Just to add to that the 4 day rolling average has spiked this is in direct correlation to the 2 meat processing plants and one church.
7 day average is 1.5
Today's RO is 1.79
A stated by official German health official the RO in the general public is 1 or just below

21-06-2020 07:20PM

Renjit wrote: »

Travelling from countries managing this virus barely is sure way to spread it. The should do mandatory quarantine for travelers and test them for covid-19.

I agree. But on an EU / UK / EEA wide basis. Testing at the point of entry to the EU, and free movement within. Protects the block from high risk areas, but keeps economies and tourism moving, protecting jobs and livelihoods

hmmm · 21-06-2020 07:37PM

Boggles wrote: »

Strange that. I have been in a fair few places this week and I have to say I have never seen so many people wearing masks.

Obviously it is still a small percentage, but the messaging seems to be getting across.

We're probably going to have a scare in the coming weeks/months also, and possibly more afterwards - you just have to look at what has happened in Germany, Korea, China etc. We should be able to manage it but the announcement of a large number of new cases will very quickly shift public attitudes, particularly as people won't want to risk lockdowns returning.

ZX7R · 21-06-2020 07:45PM

hmmm wrote: »

We're probably going to have a scare in the coming weeks/months also, and possibly more afterwards - you just have to look at what has happened in Germany, Korea, China etc. We should be able to manage it but the announcement of a large number of new cases will very quickly shift public attitudes, particularly as people won't want to risk lockdowns returning.

Looks like we were kinda lucky we cought outbreak in our meat processing plants early, earlier than most of Europe.
Funny that our medical specialists are looking to see what will happen in Europe maybe Europe should look to see how we are fairing also.
Regards masks/face coverings they should be mandatory for public transport and closed spaces, medical exemptions only

Flickerfusion · 21-06-2020 07:49PM

is_that_so wrote: »

This sounds like you have a whole lot of issues with people who don't think like you and that's fine. It's just not a terribly effective way of persuading people to go with what you're proposing.

I think the vulnerable know who they are and are looking after themselves save the rebel 70 plus cohort who sneaked out.

How did 2022 suddenly manifest itself as an anyway coherent argument? It makes you look like you'd prefer to see any level or normality suspended until we have a vaccine or the virus has been eradicated. The former is a way off and the latter may not really happen.

Finally on the masks how long do you imagine we should be wearing these masks? Bear in mind the Czechs did it for about 6 weeks and we've officially been doing it for a month already.

OK, so explain to me what has changed since March? Has the virus become non-infectious? Has the population somehow managed to gain mass resistance to it? If not, nothing has changed and we just have a much lower number of infections, much like we did at the start of the outbreak but the reproductive number may well kick back upwards if we drop all the social measures we have been using to reduce it, and with huge impact.

We put *HUGE* effort into a lock down and social distancing which was imposed by the government and the virus died back because it wasn't able to spread. Great, so we reset the clock to maybe February.

The use of masks has been rolled out across pretty much all of Northern Europe, in countries that have had more success than we have in controlling this. It's also been used in Asia with considerable success.

Also the things like hand washing and sanitising need to keep going.

If we don't do that, biology will just be biology and we are back to square one and facing into another lockdown.

It took it a few weeks to go from a few cases to very large numbers of cases and it is very definitely capable of just doing that again. Rinse and repeat.

I went shopping yesterday - SuperValu. Shop packed, everyone buzzing around. No social distancing, I'd say 2% mask use and I saw a load of people who walked right past the hand sanitisers and didn't even bother and one lady was coughing loudly (which I assume was hay fever) in the middle of the shop and straight into her hands.

The last thing I want is a second lockdown! It would be economically disastrous but if we stop taking this seriously before there's a vaccine or at least before there's medical treatments that actually work, that's precisely where we're heading and we could end up joining the anglophone sphere of conspiracy theory driven idiots on this one.

As for the 2022 it was a typo :rolleyes: - should have been 2021.

Also the virus has *NOT* been eradicated. It's merely been suppressed. There's an enormous difference between those two statements and particularly when you're talking about something that has the capability of multiplying exponentially.

The reality is we are still detecting new cases today and we will be seeing mass movement of people again to and from other parts of Europe and beyond in the weeks ahead. We cannot let our guard down on this or we will end up costing ourselves billions. We need to continue the small measures like hand sanitisers, masks and so on to maintain normality until we have vaccine or immunity or the virus becomes less of a threat due to either better drugs or it mutates to the point it's not very effective anymore (which some theorise is what happened to SARS). At the moment that is not the case and we still have more or less exactly the same problem we had in February.

I mean just look at Germany! They were doing very well on this and now they're back up at a very high viral reproductive rate again.

There's no point in declaring victory when the flight's not won and your opponent, which more like the T2000 of viruses, is just a bit dazed.

JP Liz V1 · 21-06-2020 08:30PM

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/women-and-adults-aged-25-44-now-most-likely-to-pick-up-virus-39300773.html

Women and adults aged 25-44 years are now the most likely to be diagnosed with Covid19 ............................

UrbanFret · 21-06-2020 08:42PM

wadacrack wrote: »

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1274756751624228871

Wishful thinking from SKY, take the heat off the UKs half hearted response to the Virus.

21-06-2020 09:23PM

Flickerfusion wrote: »

OK, so explain to me what has changed since March? Has the virus become non-infectious? Has the population somehow managed to gain mass resistance to it? If not, nothing has changed and we just have a much lower number of infections, much like we did at the start of the outbreak but the reproductive number may well kick back upwards if we drop all the social measures we have been using to reduce it, and with huge impact.

We put *HUGE* effort into a lock down and social distancing which was imposed by the government and the virus died back because it wasn't able to spread. Great, so we reset the clock to maybe February.

The use of masks has been rolled out across pretty much all of Northern Europe, in countries that have had more success than we have in controlling this. It's also been used in Asia with considerable success.

Also the things like hand washing and sanitising need to keep going.

If we don't do that, biology will just be biology and we are back to square one and facing into another lockdown.

It took it a few weeks to go from a few cases to very large numbers of cases and it is very definitely capable of just doing that again. Rinse and repeat.

I went shopping yesterday - SuperValu. Shop packed, everyone buzzing around. No social distancing, I'd say 2% mask use and I saw a load of people who walked right past the hand sanitisers and didn't even bother and one lady was coughing loudly (which I assume was hay fever) in the middle of the shop and straight into her hands.

The last thing I want is a second lockdown! It would be economically disastrous but if we stop taking this seriously before there's a vaccine or at least before there's medical treatments that actually work, that's precisely where we're heading and we could end up joining the anglophone sphere of conspiracy theory driven idiots on this one.

As for the 2022 it was a typo :rolleyes: - should have been 2021.

Also the virus has *NOT* been eradicated. It's merely been suppressed. There's an enormous difference between those two statements and particularly when you're talking about something that has the capability of multiplying exponentially.

The reality is we are still detecting new cases today and we will be seeing mass movement of people again to and from other parts of Europe and beyond in the weeks ahead. We cannot let our guard down on this or we will end up costing ourselves billions. We need to continue the small measures like hand sanitisers, masks and so on to maintain normality until we have vaccine or immunity or the virus becomes less of a threat due to either better drugs or it mutates to the point it's not very effective anymore (which some theorise is what happened to SARS). At the moment that is not the case and we still have more or less exactly the same problem we had in February.

I mean just look at Germany! They were doing very well on this and now they're back up at a very high viral reproductive rate again.

There's no point in declaring victory when the flight's not won and your opponent, which more like the T2000 of viruses, is just a bit dazed.

In March we had at least 500 cases arrive here unknown from all over Europe and beyond and position themselves randomly all over the country with absolutely no knowledge in the community about the risks. It took weeks to get on top on testing, where a large proportion of people with symptoms, or who were close contacts were not even able to get tested. Today we have isolated 6 new cases, and have the ability to identify all contacts in little over 24 hours, and test everyone who needs it. There is widespread awareness meaning the number of potential untraceable contacts of an index case is tiny. That’s why today is so different.

And Germany, the volatile r0 is a function of low Overall case numbers and known outbreaks, not widespread transmission. We will see the same here at some point, but in all probability when that happens it will be a blip, just like you will probably see with German numbers over the coming few days.

Widdensushi · 21-06-2020 09:26PM

tom1ie wrote: »

Lol! Useless graphic. There’s 8 billion people on the planet now compared to 475 million in the 14th century. So of course the plagues % is going to be higher.
Unless I’m completely misunderstanding this graph which could be possible after a tin or two.........

Should be lower really, less people to spread it and far less travelling

owlbethere · 21-06-2020 09:29PM

With the infection in meat plants, I would be very wary buying cold meats like ham slices, just in case there's virus on the meat. I wouldnt be as paranoid about meat to cook. Just cold meat slices.

Jim_Hodge · 21-06-2020 09:33PM

owlbethere wrote: »

With the infection in meat plants, I would be very wary buying cold meats like ham slices, just in case there's virus on the meat. I wouldnt be as paranoid about meat to cook. Just cold meat slices.

There's a very long process between the meat plants and the cold meats in your deli: Like curing, cooking etc.

Widdensushi · 21-06-2020 09:33PM

owlbethere wrote: »

With the infection in meat plants, I would be very wary buying cold meats like ham slices, just in case there's virus on the meat. I wouldnt be as paranoid about meat to cook. Just cold meat slices.

Based on what?

21-06-2020 09:38PM

owlbethere wrote: »

With the infection in meat plants, I would be very wary buying cold meats like ham slices, just in case there's virus on the meat. I wouldnt be as paranoid about meat to cook. Just cold meat slices.

All indications with only 6 cases is that meat plant outbreaks are now under control. In addition Food hygiene practices would likely minimise any residual virus on product, and the time from processing to you picking it up would likely reduce any further risk to negligible. Remember the issue in meat plants is the measures to protect employees from transmission between each other, and not the food safety practices

Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

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