Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

Strumms · 21-06-2020 02:58PM

Fear is a natural emotion given what going on, what has been going on and the levels uncertainty surrounding all of us.

I’ve been fearful, still am slightly but I’m confident in my ability to avoid behavior that can cause me to catch this thing. I’m not confident however that there isn’t a small but significant percentage of people out there who due to greed, carelessness, social neediness... can have their brains tuned to the correct frequency that will enable them to behave in such a manner that will mean them not catching and not spreading... there are just too many absolute wànkers out there, far too many.

Flickerfusion · 21-06-2020 03:18PM

It's not at all unreasonable to be highly concerned about a disease that killed 1715 in the Republic since the end of February, only 3 months and 3 weeks ago, and has had far deeper impacts in neighbouring countries that are extremely similar to us.

ACitizenErased · 21-06-2020 04:23PM

0 new deaths - none in the North today either.

6 new cases.

Eod100 · 21-06-2020 04:28PM

Absolutely brilliant news

Neamhshuntasach · 21-06-2020 04:33PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

0 new deaths - none in the North today either.

6 new cases.

Sunday though. Will be 400 odd cases tomorrow and 700 odd on the most accurate day, Tuesday.

ACitizenErased · 21-06-2020 04:34PM

Neamhshuntasach wrote: »

Sunday though. Will be 400 odd cases tomorrow and 700 odd on the most accurate day, Tuesday.

I'm thinking 1000 tbh

Be right back · 21-06-2020 04:36PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

0 new deaths - none in the North today either.

6 new cases.

That's great to hear!

ACitizenErased · 21-06-2020 04:42PM

Analysis of cases as of midnight Friday 19th June - 25,373 cases (+21)

Healthcare Workers +6
Clusters +3
Cases associated with clusters +16

Age Range Affected
0-4 No Change
5-14 No Change
15-24 +5
25-34 +4
35-44 +3
45-54 +2
55-64 +3
65-74 +2
75-84 +1
85+ +1

Cases per county
Carlow +1
Cavan +2
Dublin +6
Kildare +4
Kilkenny +1
Louth +1
Mayo +1
Meath +1
Offaly +1
Westmeath +2
Wicklow +1

wadacrack · 21-06-2020 04:44PM

In a great position with the virus now. With appropriate measures I think we can resume close to normality while remaining vigilant

ACitizenErased · 21-06-2020 04:44PM

Westmeath - the county with the highest streak without a case (15 days) - had 2 cases yesterday. Leitrim now leads on 15 days.

polesheep · 21-06-2020 04:46PM

Flickerfusion wrote: »

That makes absolutely no sense though as the only way that simple masks can work to protect those at risk is if most of the rest of the population is wearing them.

Without that, the only way that the vulnerable could see benefit is if they were wearing full respirators and eye shields.

The point of the simple masks is that it prevent transmission from people who might have the virus but not know they have it.

It's about the population taking care of the vulnerable on a precautionary principle with a minor bit of inconvenience until such time as this thing is not a risk.

If you want to have the old people, people with MS, asthma etc locked in their houses until 2022, not doing stuff like this is how to do it.

To me, the Irish approach is a big "f u" to the vulnerable and a notion that sure they can just stay cocooned in their homes until some undefined date.

Not mandating them in tight, high recirculation / poor ventilation spaces like public transport, when everywhere else in the EU-27 seems to have done, just seems at best caviller and applying similar notions of island mentality exceptionalism that we often laugh at the British for.

They're a simple provision that potentially reduces risk and allows more opening up of the economy and more normality, not less.

Are you kidding? The restrictions on the healthy were in place precisely to protect the vulnerable. We could/should have simply restricted the vulnerable from the start.

UrbanFret · 21-06-2020 04:49PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Analysis of cases as of midnight Friday 19th June - 25,373 cases (+21)

Healthcare Workers +6
Clusters +3
Cases associated with clusters +16

Age Range Affected
0-4 No Change
5-14 No Change
15-24 +5
25-34 +4
35-44 +3
45-54 +2
55-64 +3
65-74 +2
75-84 +1
85+ +1

Cases per county
Carlow +1
Cavan +2
Dublin +6
Kildare +4
Kilkenny +1
Louth +1
Mayo +1
Meath +1
Offaly +1
Westmeath +2
Wicklow +1

Just for clarity if there are only 6 new cases today how come the count here is 21 or are these historic?

ACitizenErased · 21-06-2020 04:51PM

UrbanFret wrote: »

Just for clarity if there are only 6 new cases today how come the count here is 21 or are these historic?

Yesterday.

Away With The Fairies · 21-06-2020 04:53PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Westmeath - the county with the highest streak without a case (15 days) - had 2 cases yesterday. Leitrim now leads on 15 days.

You're making this out to be a competition.

Jim_Hodge · 21-06-2020 04:55PM

UrbanFret wrote: »

Just for clarity if there are only 6 new cases today how come the count here is 21 or are these historic?

"As of Friday"

Always_Running · 21-06-2020 05:08PM

First time since the first week of March to have weekly cases under 100. 14 deaths this week 21 less than last week and the lowest weekly number of deaths since the virus arrived.

Flickerfusion · 21-06-2020 05:08PM

polesheep wrote: »

Are you kidding? The restrictions on the healthy were in place precisely to protect the vulnerable. We could/should have simply restricted the vulnerable from the start.

No I’m not kidding. I think there’s been a huge dose of MAGA Kool-aid been consumed by a small minority online and you’ve seen an extremely self centred approach to the mask issues.

If we cared, we would wear them. So I can only conclude that most people don’t care or can’t make the connection between their behaviour and minimising risks to those who are vulnerable.

Plenty of other European countries with as good or better stats on this than we have have taken those precautions.

We seem to be determined to be an outlier on it.

There were photos of full DARTs with no social distancing or masks being used all taken in recent days.

I’m not really going to just keep making them point, but it’s fairly clear we complied with the lockdown, but when it comes to a major aspect of personal responsibility we are waiting for rules to be imposed and aren’t willing to act when not forced to.

The masks aren’t for your protection. They’re to protect those who don’t have adequate immunity or might be very vulnerable.

Obviously, just like the Tories, we know better than 26 other EU countries and all of the Asian countries that have successfully maintained control of the virus over the last few months.

Hopefully we aren’t all back here bemoaning the fact that we got complacent in June and that’s why we’re in a mess in September.

SPDUB · 21-06-2020 05:17PM

Flickerfusion wrote: »

....but when it comes to a major aspect of personal responsibility we are waiting for rules to be imposed and aren’t willing to act when not forced to.

I'm out and about a lot and this is definitely true .

The only people I see wearing them a lot is foreigners , Irish- older people for the most part and even that's not consistent .

ACitizenErased · 21-06-2020 05:18PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

You're making this out to be a competition.

What? It's vital to know when counties have cases. You have a problem with everything.

Jim_Hodge · 21-06-2020 05:22PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

What? It's vital to know when counties have cases. You have a problem with everything.

One thing seeing what counties have had new cases (as is regularly posted) : It's another talking in league table terms.

is_that_so · 21-06-2020 05:24PM

Flickerfusion wrote: »

That makes absolutely no sense though as the only way that simple masks can work to protect those at risk is if most of the rest of the population is wearing them.

Without that, the only way that the vulnerable could see benefit is if they were wearing full respirators and eye shields.

The point of the simple masks is that it prevent transmission from people who might have the virus but not know they have it.

It's about the population taking care of the vulnerable on a precautionary principle with a minor bit of inconvenience until such time as this thing is not a risk.

If you want to have the old people, people with MS, asthma etc locked in their houses until 2022, not doing stuff like this is how to do it.

To me, the Irish approach is a big "f u" to the vulnerable and a notion that sure they can just stay cocooned in their homes until some undefined date.

Not mandating them in tight, high recirculation / poor ventilation spaces like public transport, when everywhere else in the EU-27 seems to have done, just seems at best caviller and applying similar notions of island mentality exceptionalism that we often laugh at the British for.

They're a simple provision that potentially reduces risk and allows more opening up of the economy and more normality, not less.

This sounds like you have a whole lot of issues with people who don't think like you and that's fine. It's just not a terribly effective way of persuading people to go with what you're proposing.

I think the vulnerable know who they are and are looking after themselves save the rebel 70 plus cohort who sneaked out.

How did 2022 suddenly manifest itself as an anyway coherent argument? It makes you look like you'd prefer to see any level or normality suspended until we have a vaccine or the virus has been eradicated. The former is a way off and the latter may not really happen.

Finally on the masks how long do you imagine we should be wearing these masks? Bear in mind the Czechs did it for about 6 weeks and we've officially been doing it for a month already.

ACitizenErased · 21-06-2020 05:30PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

One thing seeing what counties have had new cases (as is regularly posted) : It's another talking in league table terms.

Counties with no cases for a long period of days should be commended, and I will continue to treat them as such.

Clonmel1000 · 21-06-2020 05:33PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I'm thinking 1000 tbh

7th wave or ninth?

ACitizenErased · 21-06-2020 05:36PM

Clonmel1000 wrote: »

7th wave or ninth?

First wave hasn’t started yet!!!!!

Boggles · 21-06-2020 05:37PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Finally on the masks how long do you imagine we should be wearing these masks?

Bear in mind the Czechs did it for about 6 weeks

The Czech Republic was the first[10] European country to make the wearing of facemasks mandatory from 19 March

and we've officially been doing it for a month already.

There was a wishy washy advisory on wearing masks a month ago. But to suggest we have been wearing them akin to the Czech Republic is simply not true.

is_that_so · 21-06-2020 05:38PM

Boggles wrote: »

There was a wishy washy advisory on wearing masks a month ago. But to suggest we have been wearing them akin to the Czech Republic is simply not true.

I didn't say we were, I said officially there is advice on it, but the same question to you for how long?

Redo91 · 21-06-2020 05:39PM

Sky reporting that the R rate in Germany has gone above 2. For those that know more about it than I do are they being sensationalist or is that true? Kind of worrying if true obviously.

ACitizenErased · 21-06-2020 05:39PM

https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/1274479392702509056?s=21

The Lancet has been caught out again. Apparently there is now zero evidence that 2m distancing is effective.

Micky 32 · 21-06-2020 05:41PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Counties with no cases for a long period of days should be commended, and I will continue to treat them as such.

I think the problem is less drama now. Some on here must be having drama withdrawel symptoms from the dwindling virus numbers and are getting edgy. Their posts are so predictable. Keep up with the reporting of the counties.

is_that_so · 21-06-2020 05:43PM

Redo91 wrote: »

Sky reporting that the R rate in Germany has gone above 2. For those that know more about it than I do are they being sensationalist or is that true? Kind of worrying if true obviously.

Koch Institut say no, some meat factory clusters pushing it up.

The institute said the figures indicated the number of new cases was not declining further, mainly as a result of local outbreaks, such as the one affecting workers at a meat-processing plant in Gütersloh, western Germany.

However, it warned that 'R' values should be interpreted with caution, as they usually reflect the course of infection one to two weeks ago.

Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

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