Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

Seamai · 21-06-2020 12:07PM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

It’s a national holiday there

New cases and deaths aren't going to take a holiday, I'm assuming we will see a big jump the next day figures are reported followed by a spike in new cases in 10 to 14 days time after the midsummer festivities.

ACitizenErased · 21-06-2020 12:20PM

Amsterdam BLM protest resulted in 1 case. Protests don’t cause spikes.

21-06-2020 12:20PM

Seamai wrote: »

New cases and deaths aren't going to take a holiday, I'm assuming we will see a big jump the next day figures are reported followed by a spike in new cases in 10 to 14 days time after the midsummer festivities.

Midsommar festivities are outside, and not particularly raucous affairs so, no, I doubt that they will contribute to a spike

Renjit · 21-06-2020 12:22PM

I went to bray yesterday. Seems like a very less percentage were wearing mask. Social distancing on the beach was fine but the ones near shops was difficult. People were ok with it.

Rob A. Bank · 21-06-2020 12:25PM

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The hospitals in Tulsa can relax a little after Trump was publicly humiliated last night when his ‘superspreader' campaign rally failed miserably.

The lying bloated orange bag of crap bragged there were a million ticket requests for his Oklahoma ‘monster rally’ and failed to fill the 19,000 seat arena, with only about 5 to 7 thousand Trumpanzee eejits showing up. They even built a second event area outside the arena but had to dismantle it without use.

LOLOL

Oklahoma was one of the top two states who voted overwhelmingly for Trump in 2016, so if he can’t muster his deluded followers there he is in trouble.

Schadenfreude is such a sweet feeling.

21-06-2020 12:32PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

The hospitals in Tulsa can relax a little after Trump was publicly humiliated last night when his ‘superspreader' campaign rally failed miserably.

The lying bloated orange bag of crap bragged there were a million ticket requests for his Oklahoma ‘monster rally’ and failed to fill the 19,000 seat arena, with only about 5 to 7 thousand Trumpanzee eejits showing up. They even built a second event area outside the arena but had to dismantle it without use.

LOLOL

Oklahoma was one of the top two states who voted overwhelmingly for Trump in 2016, so if he can’t muster his deluded followers there he is in trouble.

Schadenfreude is such a sweet feeling.

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1274500359566897152?s=20

Deeper Blue · 21-06-2020 12:47PM

Off topic but I can't wait for the day Trump is gone from the presidency so I don't have to hear about the latest outrage or quote or wacky antics every hour of the ****ing day.

s1ippy · 21-06-2020 12:58PM

Delivery driver coughed in the door just as I opened it yesterday.

My mother in law invited us to the house just to start a scrap because she knows that we can't.

I've had fifteen texts this weekend asking me if people can come over or if we'll go over to other people's houses and most people didn't even text back when we said "sorry, no because" to them for about the fifth time in three months.

Had to turn off my phone yesterday because there were so many messages coming in from various groups and when I woke up there were a load of photos of people partying up on top of each other, including lots from one particular lad who never comes out usually.

It's not over like, how are people so dense, shallow and inconsiderate? Were really finding out who the biggest morons and pricks with the least self-restraint that we know are.

I get to head into work next week now and deal with no measures having being put in place even though I emailed a list of my concerns. I'll have to present my doctors cert to be allowed wear a mask.

Thinking of maybe moving to the country and opting out of society for the next few years. Just flabbergasted.

21-06-2020 01:06PM

s1ippy wrote: »

Delivery driver coughed in the door just as I opened it yesterday.

My mother in law invited us to the house just to start a scrap because she knows that we can't.

I've had fifteen texts this weekend asking me if people can come over or if we'll go over to other people's houses and most people didn't even text back when we said "sorry, no because" to them for about the fifth time in three months.

Had to turn off my phone yesterday because there were so many messages coming in from various groups and when I woke up there were a load of photos of people partying up on top of each other, including lots from one particular lad who never comes out usually.

It's not over like, how are people so dense, shallow and inconsiderate? Were really finding out who the biggest morons and pricks with the least self-restraint that we know are.

I get to head into work next week now and deal with no measures having being put in place even though I emailed a list of my concerns. I'll have to present my doctors cert to be allowed wear a mask.

Thinking of maybe moving to the country and opting out of society for the next few years. Just flabbergasted.

You realise you are allowed to go to people's houses now right? Also your comment in bold is disgusting.

joeguevara · 21-06-2020 01:09PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

The hospitals in Tulsa can relax a little after Trump was publicly humiliated last night when his ‘superspreader' campaign rally failed miserably.

The lying bloated orange bag of crap bragged there were a million ticket requests for his Oklahoma ‘monster rally’ and failed to fill the 19,000 seat arena, with only about 5 to 7 thousand Trumpanzee eejits showing up. They even built a second event area outside the arena but had to dismantle it without use.

LOLOL

Oklahoma was one of the top two states who voted overwhelmingly for Trump in 2016, so if he can’t muster his deluded followers there he is in trouble.

Schadenfreude is such a sweet feeling.

Hilariously Pink retweeted the half filled stadium with just, I think i sold out in 5 minutes. Burn

ShyMets · 21-06-2020 01:09PM

s1ippy wrote: »

Delivery driver coughed in the door just as I opened it yesterday.

My mother in law invited us to the house just to start a scrap because she knows that we can't.

I've had fifteen texts this weekend asking me if people can come over or if we'll go over to other people's houses and most people didn't even text back when we said "sorry, no because" to them for about the fifth time in three months.

Had to turn off my phone yesterday because there were so many messages coming in from various groups and when I woke up there were a load of photos of people partying up on top of each other, including lots from one particular lad who never comes out usually.

It's not over like, how are people so dense, shallow and inconsiderate? Were really finding out who the biggest morons and pricks with the least self-restraint that we know are.

I get to head into work next week now and deal with no measures having being put in place even though I emailed a list of my concerns. I'll have to present my doctors cert to be allowed wear a mask.

Thinking of maybe moving to the country and opting out of society for the next few years. Just flabbergasted.

On the plus side, at least you seem to be popular:)

Seamai · 21-06-2020 01:11PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Midsommar festivities are outside, and not particularly raucous affairs so, no, I doubt that they will contribute to a spike

I was there once at this time of the year and got invited by a friend to a party, you're right they're mainly outdoors (in my case rain put a bit of a damper on it and it moved indoors), serious amounts of snaps and akavit being drunk though.

Non solum non ambulabit · 21-06-2020 01:12PM

s1ippy wrote: »

Delivery driver coughed in the door just as I opened it yesterday.

My mother in law invited us to the house just to start a scrap because she knows that we can't.

I've had fifteen texts this weekend asking me if people can come over or if we'll go over to other people's houses and most people didn't even text back when we said "sorry, no because" to them for about the fifth time in three months.

Had to turn off my phone yesterday because there were so many messages coming in from various groups and when I woke up there were a load of photos of people partying up on top of each other, including lots from one particular lad who never comes out usually.

It's not over like, how are people so dense, shallow and inconsiderate? Were really finding out who the biggest morons and pricks with the least self-restraint that we know are.

I get to head into work next week now and deal with no measures having being put in place even though I emailed a list of my concerns. I'll have to present my doctors cert to be allowed wear a mask.

Thinking of maybe moving to the country and opting out of society for the next few years. Just flabbergasted.

With an attitude like that it probably is best for you to opt out of society. And by the way I assume you won't be collecting dole either? If you did its working people's taxes that would have to pay for your lifestyle choices.

speckle · 21-06-2020 01:15PM

ZX7R wrote: »

I can understand that the IBT was cancelled during the initial restrictions, but there is no cause for it to be still suspended your riding two different bike's

Tried looking for information on the web got one line on RAS website infering the 3 and 5 modules only may just start again some time in phase 3.

s1ippy · 21-06-2020 01:16PM

AdamD wrote: »

You realise you are allowed to go to people's houses now right? Also your comment in bold is disgusting.

Just because the government "allows" people to do something, doesn't mean that it's possible or advisable for everyone. We're having to explain over and over again to some people who are supposedly friends of ours with that no, we can't go and drink in their house like nothing's going on because I'm immunocompromised and we live with immunosuppressed relatives.

It's only a couple of them but it really shows where there loyalties lie when you get a text

"what u at?"
"just watching a movie, how're you man?"
"nothing you comin down for a few drinks bud?"
"nah like I was saying before we're not going to be able to go out for ages because of my [relative] and because of [my medical issue]. But it'll be even better now when we eventually rejoin society

".

Got nothing back from that drunk asshole neighbour.

Also OH's mom inviting us for dinner, via their sibling (the rest of them live at home) because she doesn't want to talk to her child at all but she does want to get indignant when we can't go over. She works on healthcare as well so absolutely no way can I go near her.

And were invited for dinner yesterday evening by a different group, got nothing back since we had to say no a week ago.

Lol at suggesting I claim the dole, I've been WFH throughout in one position, and will continue to do so as well as caring for vulnerable people in their homes. I also work in education, and we're instructed to go back in from tomorrow until the end of summer to prepare and put safeguards in place with no advice or what those actually are. Oh and being pressured into meeting members of the public without PPE indoors as well.

Rob A. Bank · 21-06-2020 01:18PM

Irish hospitals were 106 beds short today.

They seem to be settling back into the chronic trolley occupancy problem of recent years due to underfunding.

Cork. Mullingar, Portlaoise and Limerick had the largest problem.

This does not bode well for influenza and a (?) second Covid wave occuring in the winter, if it is like this on the summer solstice.

https://www.inmo.ie/Trolley_Ward_Watch

21-06-2020 01:19PM

Seamai wrote: »

I was there once at this time of the year and got invited by a friend to a party, you're right they're mainly outdoors (in my case rain put a bit of a damper on it and it moved indoors), serious amounts of snaps and akavit being drunk though.

There is a lot of drinking, but it’s no ‘spring break’ type deal

Plumbthedepths · 21-06-2020 01:21PM

s1ippy wrote: »

Just because the government "allows" people to do something, doesn't mean that it's possible or advisable for everyone. We're having to explain over and over again to some people who are supposedly friends of ours with that no, we can't go and drink in their house like nothing's going on because I'm immunocompromised and we live with immunosuppressed relatives.

It's only a couple of them but it really shows where there loyalties lie when you get a text

"what u at?"
"just watching a movie, how're you man?"
"nothing you comin down for a few drinks bud?"
"nah like I was saying before we're not going to be able to go out for ages because of my [relative] and because of [my medical issue]. But it'll be even better now when we eventually rejoin society ".

Got nothing back from that drunk asshole neighbour.

Also OH's mom inviting us for dinner, via their sibling (the rest of them live at home) because she doesn't want to talk to her child at all but she does want to get indignant when we can't go over. She works on healthcare as well so absolutely no way can I go near her.

And were invited for dinner yesterday evening by a different group, got nothing back since we had to say no a week ago.

Lol at suggesting I claim the dole, I've been WFH throughout in one position, and will continue to do so as well as caring for vulnerable people in their homes. I also work in education, and we're instructed to go back in from tomorrow until the end of summer to prepare and put safeguards in place with no advice or what those actually are. Oh and being pressured into meeting members of the public without PPE indoors as well.

The amount of fear your posts convey is not healthy tbh.

Rob A. Bank · 21-06-2020 01:32PM

Distribution of laboratory confirmed cases of COVID-19 in the EU/EEA and the UK, as of 21 June 2020

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The reported cases in Europe continue to bump along around 4000 to 5000 daily cases for the last few weeks, with no clear evidence of a second wave or spike as the continent continues to relax the restrictions.

Larger clickable version here :- https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

Away With The Fairies · 21-06-2020 01:37PM

s1ippy wrote: »

Delivery driver coughed in the door just as I opened it yesterday.

My mother in law invited us to the house just to start a scrap because she knows that we can't.

I've had fifteen texts this weekend asking me if people can come over or if we'll go over to other people's houses and most people didn't even text back when we said "sorry, no because" to them for about the fifth time in three months.

Had to turn off my phone yesterday because there were so many messages coming in from various groups and when I woke up there were a load of photos of people partying up on top of each other, including lots from one particular lad who never comes out usually.

It's not over like, how are people so dense, shallow and inconsiderate? Were really finding out who the biggest morons and pricks with the least self-restraint that we know are.

I get to head into work next week now and deal with no measures having being put in place even though I emailed a list of my concerns. I'll have to present my doctors cert to be allowed wear a mask.

Thinking of maybe moving to the country and opting out of society for the next few years. Just flabbergasted.

Watching the news earlier where someone said that we all have to take personal responsibility going forward. People are going on as if it's gone. It's not.

hmmm · 21-06-2020 01:38PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

The amount of fear your posts convey is not healthy tbh.

I don't see any evidence of fear - just rational behaviour for someone at risk of a severe outcome who is minimising their risk. To be honest the only fear I detect is from the people who keep trying to tell everyone this is a minor thing, it's like they have some desperate need to convince people that they are correct as if that will make what they think true. The rest of us know that this is not a minor thing, and are adjusting our behaviours accordingly.

Away With The Fairies · 21-06-2020 01:39PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

With an attitude like that it probably is best for you to opt out of society. And by the way I assume you won't be collecting dole either? If you did its working people's taxes that would have to pay for your lifestyle choices.

That is a disgusting comment, maybe the poster works from home.

Away With The Fairies · 21-06-2020 01:43PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

The amount of fear your posts convey is not healthy tbh.

Telling that to an immunocompromised person who lives with immunocompromised people. Such a horrible attitude.

Cork Boy 53 · 21-06-2020 01:47PM

hmmm wrote: »

I don't see any evidence of fear - just rational behaviour for someone at risk of a severe outcome who is minimising their risk. To be honest the only fear I detect is from the people who keep trying to tell everyone this is a minor thing, it's like they have some desperate need to convince people that they are correct as if that will make what they think true. The rest of us know that this is not a minor thing, and are adjusting our behaviours accordingly.

Great post and who knows it might give some of the more extreme "this virus is over hyped", "fear mongering" etc etc cohort food for thought.

Rob A. Bank · 21-06-2020 01:52PM

hmmm wrote: »

I don't see any evidence of fear - just rational behaviour for someone at risk of a severe outcome who is minimising their risk. To be honest the only fear I detect is from the people who keep trying to tell everyone this is a minor thing, it's like they have some desperate need to convince people that they are correct as if that will make what they think true. The rest of us know that this is not a minor thing, and are adjusting our behaviours accordingly.

Worldwide it is certainly not a minor thing and the daily reported infection rate is accelerating.

It took 114 days for the rate to go from the first reported case to one million cases.

Tonight we will reach 9 million cases... just 7 days after reaching 8 million cases.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Flickerfusion · 21-06-2020 02:23PM

hmmm wrote: »

I don't see any evidence of fear - just rational behaviour for someone at risk of a severe outcome who is minimising their risk. To be honest the only fear I detect is from the people who keep trying to tell everyone this is a minor thing, it's like they have some desperate need to convince people that they are correct as if that will make what they think true. The rest of us know that this is not a minor thing, and are adjusting our behaviours accordingly.

What I see largely is a bunch of mostly American conspiracy theorists, who have a serious distrust of all things scientific to the point they're actually anti-science. They buy into all sorts of crazy notions that have driven down the use of vaccines to the point that childhood diseases we assumed were gone are making reappearances and they're applying exactly the same logic to coronavirus i.e. utter nonsense about how it's a conspiracy by (insert name here) to control them, while others are just brainwashed into whatever their cult leader says cannot be questioned.

The anti-mask thing in the US is most definitely coming from that same place too, but I think in Ireland's it's largely a mixture of complacency and peer pressure / herd instinct. If a critical mass of people had masks on, you'd find people would wear them. Nobody seems to want to be 'the weirdo with the mask on'. It's most definitely not a political issue here.

The Government completely screwed up the messaging on this and they have continued to fail to do a U-Turn on it. We are completely out of line with every other EU country on it, perhaps other than the UK (not an EU member) and do we really want to be taking our lead from Boris, Nigel and the lads?

You need a simple message on this made with a public health provision in mind, not an abstract discussion by bickering virologists. It's a simple measure with a principle of precaution in mind. If it subsequently proves to have been a bit unnecessary, we all wore a funky looking face mask for a few months - it's hardly THAT big a deal.

is_that_so · 21-06-2020 02:32PM

Flickerfusion wrote: »

What I see largely is a bunch of mostly American conspiracy theorists, who have a serious distrust of all things scientific to the point they're actually anti-science. They buy into all sorts of crazy notions that have driven down the use of vaccines to the point that childhood diseases we assumed were gone are making reappearances and they're applying exactly the same logic to coronavirus i.e. utter nonsense about how it's a conspiracy by (insert name here) to control them, while others are just brainwashed into whatever their cult leader says cannot be questioned.

The anti-mask thing in the US is most definitely coming from that same place too, but I think in Ireland's it's largely a mixture of complacency and peer pressure / herd instinct. If a critical mass of people had masks on, you'd find people would wear them. Nobody seems to want to be 'the weirdo with the mask on'.

The Government completely screwed up the messaging on this and they have continued to fail to do a U-Turn on it. We are completely out of line with every other EU country on it, perhaps other than the UK (not an EU member) and do we really want to be taking our lead from Boris, Nigel and the lads?

You need a simple message on this made with a public health provision in mind, not an abstract discussion by bickering virologists.

The message for a very long time was the evidence is weak on this in general that it was only a good idea for those at risk and people took that on board. What we see in the easing is an attempt to follow other countries who've adopted a mask strategy. What's working against it now is the decline in all of the key numbers.

Flickerfusion · 21-06-2020 02:34PM

is_that_so wrote: »

The message for a very long time was the evidence is weak on this in general that it was only a good idea for those at risk and people took that on board. What we see in the easing is an attempt to follow other countries who've adopted a mask strategy. What's working against it now is the decline in all of the key numbers.

That makes absolutely no sense though as the only way that simple masks can work to protect those at risk is if most of the rest of the population is wearing them.

Without that, the only way that the vulnerable could see benefit is if they were wearing full respirators and eye shields.

The point of the simple masks is that it prevent transmission from people who might have the virus but not know they have it.

It's about the population taking care of the vulnerable on a precautionary principle with a minor bit of inconvenience until such time as this thing is not a risk.

If you want to have the old people, people with MS, asthma etc locked in their houses until 2022, not doing stuff like this is how to do it.

To me, the Irish approach is a big "f u" to the vulnerable and a notion that sure they can just stay cocooned in their homes until some undefined date.

Not mandating them in tight, high recirculation / poor ventilation spaces like public transport, when everywhere else in the EU-27 seems to have done, just seems at best caviller and applying similar notions of island mentality exceptionalism that we often laugh at the British for.

They're a simple provision that potentially reduces risk and allows more opening up of the economy and more normality, not less.

Plumbthedepths · 21-06-2020 02:41PM

hmmm wrote: »

I don't see any evidence of fear .

You don't ,I do.

hmmm · 21-06-2020 02:51PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

You don't ,I do.

Read up on the concepts of risk management versus fear.

Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

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