Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

Plumbthedepths · 20-06-2020 01:07AM

sheepsh4gger wrote: »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu
>first wave starts in spring, it's nothing
>second wave hits in fall, it's has a huge death toll

The worst of this thing is till to come. They say on CNBC that 60% need to contract the virus for this to end and we're nowhere near that. Stupid politicians are siding with businesses. This will not end well.

It's actually unbelievable people are still assuming the present pandemic bares any similarities with the Spanish flu.

sheepsh4gger · 20-06-2020 01:07AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Could this be the second wave? Like it mutated last October or whatever. Not that there must be a second wave.. It's not even the same type of virus.

How far back can countries look to try to determine when this was about? I see Italy found it in wastewater.

I think viruses constantly mutate

fritzelly · 20-06-2020 01:07AM

sheepsh4gger wrote: »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu
>first wave starts in spring, it's nothing
>second wave hits in fall, it's has a huge death toll

The worst of this thing is till to come. They say on CNBC that 60% need to contract the virus for this to end and we're nowhere near that. Stupid politicians are siding with businesses. This will not end well.

Until there is widespread antibody testing no one really knows how many of a given population had the virus
Even with the flu or cold you can catch it and have no symptoms or very mild symptoms and we know people with coronavirus are the same

Now I may be wrong but the test for active (or inactive virus) doesn't detect antibodies

sheepsh4gger · 20-06-2020 01:09AM

I'm under the impression that Varadkar values the economy more than reducing the death toll.

20-06-2020 01:11AM

sheepsh4gger wrote: »

I think viruses constantly mutate

All I've read is that Covid has been very steady. There is less benefit to any mutations when your transmission rate is already so high.

fritzelly · 20-06-2020 01:15AM

Deleted User wrote: »

All I've read is that Covid has been very steady. There is less benefit to any mutations when your transmission rate is already so high.

There is many mutations
https://www.siliconrepublic.com/innovation/coronavirus-mutations-long-term-vaccine

Doesn't mean the core of the virus changes much or the receptors that vaccines target change - but it is very common for viruses to mutate and RNA type viruses mutate more than DNA viruses

MipMap · 20-06-2020 01:16AM

15 Signs Of Negative People courtesy of Lifehack

Actually I did'nt read it. I did'nt read it because it has nothing to do with Covid 19. It has, however, everything to do with the biggest problem we have in fighting this virus which is the mistaken belief that it is all about us. Worst still is the belief that it is all about "ME".

"My chances of catching the virus are extraordinarily low so why should I do anything to prevent myself catching it?. The odds are too low"

How about we look at it another way. How can we as a society collectively rid ourselves of this?

The virus will never read your post. It does not give a sh1t what makes humans "positive" or "negative".

It does not even have the capacity to think.
Too many people think that a "Positive Mental Attitude" will do anything, even cure cancer.

Others think the world will be doomed by people looking at the world through "Rose Tinted Glasses."

Micky 32 · 20-06-2020 01:17AM

sheepsh4gger wrote: »

I'm under the impression that Varadkar values the economy more than reducing the death toll.

The death toll has reduced and is reducing.

Plumbthedepths · 20-06-2020 01:18AM

sheepsh4gger wrote: »

I'm under the impression that Varadkar values the economy more than reducing the death toll.

I'm no fan of Varadkar but surely you realise the connection between health and a vibrant economy?

bb1234567 · 20-06-2020 01:25AM

sheepsh4gger wrote: »

I'm under the impression that Varadkar values the economy more than reducing the death toll.

Nearly nobody is dying from COVID in Ireland anymore. What do you want him to do? Resurrect them?

joeguevara · 20-06-2020 01:30AM

sheepsh4gger wrote: »

I'm under the impression that Varadkar values the economy more than reducing the death toll.

What gives you that impression.

MipMap · 20-06-2020 01:38AM

fritzelly wrote: »

There is many mutations
https://www.siliconrepublic.com/innovation/coronavirus-mutations-long-term-vaccine

Doesn't mean the core of the virus changes much or the receptors that vaccines target change - but it is very common for viruses to mutate and RNA type viruses mutate more than DNA viruses

Aparently about a 1,000 times more than DNA viruses

20-06-2020 01:41AM

sheepsh4gger wrote: »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu
>first wave starts in spring, it's nothing
>second wave hits in fall, it's has a huge death toll

The worst of this thing is till to come. They say on CNBC that 60% need to contract the virus for this to end and we're nowhere near that. Stupid politicians are siding with businesses. This will not end well.

I suggest you stay cocooned in your home then, until we get a vaccine

2ndcoming · 20-06-2020 01:46AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I'm no fan of Varadkar but surely you realise the connection between health and a vibrant economy?

People keep hurling that out.

There is a very strong connection between health standards and the collective wealth of a country. Despite many politicians around the world attempting to weaken that link by slowly turning the world into some kind of Randian hellscape.

However, that link is most relevant in normal circumstances. As in when there isn't an incurable virus that hospitalises 10% of people who catch it and kills up to 2% doing the rounds.

Europe has enough reserves to keep everyone provided with money and locked down for years if necessary, it wouldn't be a drop in the ocean ultimately. Britain paying 80% of most of their population's wages for 3 months was 2% of their GDP last year. Where is the rest of it going you may well ask.

At the end of the day money, economics, politics, they're all a game. Life is life. We only get one.

MipMap · 20-06-2020 01:54AM

sheepsh4gger wrote: »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu
>first wave starts in spring, it's nothing
>second wave hits in fall, it's has a huge death toll

The worst of this thing is till to come. They say on CNBC that 60% need to contract the virus for this to end and we're nowhere near that. Stupid politicians are siding with businesses. This will not end well.

You are citing the Spanish Flu experience as an indicator as to what Covid 19 will do.

Viruses are extraordinarily unpredicatable. You cannot make a judgment based on a sample of one.
The second wave of Spanish Flu was much more virulunt that the first.The third much more benign.
This was because entirely random mutations of the virus ended up doing this.
Unless CNBC can predict what random chance can do then the fact that they are peddling the well known "Herd Immunity" percentage of 60 % then you should take this with a large grain of salt.
It is almost certain that Covid 19 will do something entirely different. No one has a clue what that will be.

joeguevara · 20-06-2020 01:56AM

2ndcoming wrote: »

People keep hurling that out.

There is a very strong connection between health standards and the collective wealth of a country. Despite many politicians around the world attempting to weaken that link by slowly turning the world into some kind of Randian hellscape.

However, that link is most relevant in normal circumstances. As in when there isn't an incurable virus that hospitalises 10% of people who catch it and kills up to 2% doing the rounds.

Europe has enough reserves to keep everyone provided with money and locked down for years if necessary, it wouldn't be a drop in the ocean ultimately. Britain paying 80% of most of their population's wages for 3 months was 2% of their GDP last year. Where is the rest of it going you may well ask.

At the end of the day money, economics, politics, they're all a game. Life is life. We only get one.

I don’t believe it hospitalises 10% who catches it. I think loads of people had it but didn’t get tested and recovered. My friends boyfriend had an antibody test in U.K. and showed antibodies and he didn’t know he had it.

I do believe it is a devastating virus. And I think lockdown is being eased too early but I don’t think a full lockdown is correct either. And the worst thing is the slap dash guidance on things like masks, pubs and quarantine is what is bad. But easing it is the way forward.

s1ippy · 20-06-2020 02:00AM

I was driving yesterday to drop shopping to family members and I saw a startling number of tourists around the place. Irish people will take fewer risks and avoid going out regularly (and therefore spend less money) while the virus is circulating internally. If we lock the virus out of the country, Irish people will be more likely to travel and engage in economic issues.

I'm currently voting with my wallet, only essential transactions made and only from online retailers. I and many people I know will continue to do so while John Bull is waddling around town with rucksacks and cargo shorts.

MipMap · 20-06-2020 02:24AM

s1ippy wrote: »

so while John Bull is waddling around town with rucksacks and cargo shorts.

You see s1ippy what I don't get is why you think coming into close contact John Bull is any more risky that coming into close contact with your next door neighbour. If John Bull was not there then your risk is halved because you are coming into contact with 50% less people. I understand that.
What I don't get is why you need to avoid John Bull more than your next door neighbour.

We are trying to avoid a virus, not people. It just so happens that the more people we avoid the better are our chances of avoiding the virus because the virus is carried by people.
This idea that all Irish people are pure and all foreigners are lepers is absurd. Even if the infection rate in their country is more than it is here.
What is infinitely more relevent is the number of people you come into "close contact" with. Not where they came from.

FishOnABike · 20-06-2020 05:43AM

the corpo wrote: »

https://twitter.com/GeneKerrigan/status/1273961736031404033

What preventative measures did Israel have in place for schools when they reopened? We need to learn from their experience and avoid making the same mistakes when our schools reopen.

joeguevara · 20-06-2020 05:53AM

FishOnABike wrote: »

What preventative measures did Israel have in place for schools when they reopened? We need to learn from their experience and avoid making the same mistakes when our schools reopen.

It’s not as simple as doing things differently though. Isn’t it a case of opening or not. Our schools are over crowded at the best of times with 30 kids crammed into a classroom with a lot over spilling into prefabs. Small school yards for play etc. The idea of one day a week is unworkable because of childcare. Also school busses are packed and who can finance drivers, escorts and busses where social distancing is adhered to.

20-06-2020 06:00AM

FishOnABike wrote: »

What preventative measures did Israel have in place for schools when they reopened? We need to learn from their experience and avoid making the same mistakes when our schools reopen.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/school-reopening-guidelines-to-include-temperature-checks-at-start-of-every-day/

School reopening guidelines said to include temperature checks at start of every day
The government’s guidelines for schools to reopen will include daily temperature checks for every student entering the grounds and a requirement for all students in grades two and above to wear masks outside of the classroom.
Students will be barred from sharing food, drinks and supplies.
No games using a ball will be allowed, and every student will be required to wash hands upon entering the classroom, Channel 13 reports.

The only thing to learn is to keep schools closed until 30 days without community transmission have passed.

FishOnABike · 20-06-2020 06:02AM

Mwengwe wrote: »

I thought CoVid was widely regarded as a bit of a freak virus in terms of how infectious it is. We could well see a more lethal outbreak in future but the chances of it being as subtly infectious and undetectable as CoVid are slimmer.

Not really - it's three to four times as infectious as influenza but about three times less infectious than measles.

Away With The Fairies · 20-06-2020 07:16AM

Martina1991 wrote: »

Yes. We had a patient in our hospital kept testing positive for over 2 months.

Are people still infectious and contagious while they test positive?

Jim_Hodge · 20-06-2020 07:26AM

tom1ie wrote: »

Oh grand. Different story in Dublin.

Then why make a blanket statement of fact based in so little evidence?

Suits the drama though.

Rob A. Bank · 20-06-2020 07:38AM

Another 2 (? 3) imported cases in New Zealand, but luckily they were detected while in a quarantine hotel in Auckland and contact tracing has taking place.

"New Zealand has reported two new cases of Covid-19 in a couple who returned to Auckland, New Zealand, on a repatriation flight from India. Their baby, who was travelling with them, has not been tested due to its young age and may also be infected.

The director general of health, Dr Ashley Bloomfield, said the couple were asymptomatic but the infection was detected under a routine testing program that was introduced on 9 June. All new arrivals to New Zealand are tested on days 3 and 12 of their 14-day mandatory quarantine, even if they don’t have symptoms."

Ineedaname · 20-06-2020 07:43AM

bb1234567 wrote: »

A serum test of the Brazilian population would be really interesting, I wonder if they might approach herd immunity sometime soon. You'd think given how much younger the Brazilian population is than the USA that they'd be experiencing much fewer deaths, but the number of daily deaths per capita the last few days in Brazil is similar to the average peak number of daily deaths per capita reported by the USA in April.

Could this be just because so many more Brazilians have caught the virus than Americans did resulting in a very pronounced number of daily deaths for a short term?

A blood bank in Rio tested over 7000 donations they received during the last three months. 28% had antibodies.

wadacrack · 20-06-2020 08:13AM

Airlines causing huge problems with the spread of Covid 19 atm. Lots of cases linked to travel

Boggles · 20-06-2020 08:28AM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Another 2 (? 3) imported cases in New Zealand, but luckily they were detected while in a quarantine hotel in Auckland and contact tracing has taking place.

"New Zealand has reported two new cases of Covid-19 in a couple who returned to Auckland, New Zealand, on a repatriation flight from India. Their baby, who was travelling with them, has not been tested due to its young age and may also be infected.

The director general of health, Dr Ashley Bloomfield, said the couple were asymptomatic but the infection was detected under a routine testing program that was introduced on 9 June. All new arrivals to New Zealand are tested on days 3 and 12 of their 14-day mandatory quarantine, even if they don’t have symptoms."

We have the pinky promise infection control method, sure be grand.

Maybe we might get it right after wave 2.

joeguevara · 20-06-2020 08:34AM

wadacrack wrote: »

Airlines causing huge problems with the spread of Covid 19 atm. Lots of cases linked to travel

Airlines are not causing huge problems. For instance due to the constant filtration of air on a flight means it is virtually impossible to be infected while flying. Also new boarding procedures means that you are more likely to catch it while queuing for Penney’s.

The issue is that people are allowed to fly in the first place and quarantine is only guidance. It is the same as everything else. Either it is prohibited by law or its not. Blaming airlines who are business as usual is just passing the buck.

iamwhoiam · 20-06-2020 08:42AM

tom1ie wrote: »

Really? And in supermarkets the same? question for buses the same?
I’d respectfully disagree. But that just my experience.

I dont use buses so have no idea . But in supermarkets yes people are making the effort . I dont count a fleeting 2 second passing me by but in general the check out queue etc is orderly and people keeping distance and staying on the markers

Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

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