Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

Flickerfusion wrote: »

I sincerely hope we have managed to reduce this to very low levels that will stat that way. Between the mixed messaging and almost zero use of masks and the melting away of people taking it seriously, I’m really worried we are going to see round two in the autumn.

From a technical point of view what’s changed?

The virus is still out there in the community and we haven’t become mysteriously immune to it.

I’m not suggesting lockdown but we do need to realise that we can’t just abandon the hygiene measures just because the lockdown put in a firebreak. We are risking undoing months of slog and sacrifice.

All I’m seeing is a cocky attitude developing that we’ve done better than the U.K. and USA, which is hardly an achievement given their respective political chaos and by international comparison we’ve done only ok-ish.

International comparisons are only useful in identifying what things worked better. Not sure what you imagine OK-ish to look like, given what was known back in March and how the virus exposed systemic issues worldwide. There is a certainly a cohort of countries who have not done well in this but most of the rest have done they best they could with what they had.

FishOnABike wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Some people never learn. This is far more serious and far more contagious than 'flu.

I've yet to hear of 'flu causing thrombosis, strokes, permanent organ damage, loss of a limb, require someone to have a double lung transplant... CoViD-19 has resulted in all of these outcomes in otherwise healthy, relatively young people.

Most people may have 'mild' symptoms but it is far from 'flu. Proper hygiene and precautions not only protects yourself but is also your civic duty to protect others and help prevent large outbreaks which would impact how our whole society functions.

The flu has been known to greatly increase the risk of heart attacks/stroke. Its just that every case isn't reported in the mainstream media like covid.

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Haven't there been masks made with a clear front because someone recognised the problem of mask use with deaf people. These can also be used in schools.

I've seen them pop up in google ads in the past few weeks, so they are out there.

owlbethere wrote: »

That's right. I forgot about that part of the guidelines where we told not to go to work or school if we have a cold.

I don't have faith that will be followed though. Especially with young school children and some parents seeing school as a childminding facility for the day. Really when things go back to normal with school and work, it will be business as usual going into work and school with colds.

There should be temperature testing at schools and anyone with a cold sent home. This should be what people sign up to in September.

Things cannot go back to normal while this virus is circulating without an effective treatment. As events in Beijing have shown it can take off again easily enough.

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1273921447375908864?s=21

is_that_so wrote: »

International comparisons are only useful in identifying what things worked better. Not sure what you imagine OK-ish to look like, given what was known back in March and how the virus exposed systemic issues worldwide. There is a certainly a cohort of countries who have not done well in this but most of the rest have done they best they could with what they had.

Can someone explain to me how Houlihan et al can use international figures when congratulating himself about how many tests we did... yet international comparisons are somehow not useful or valid when comparing our terrible case rates or death rates ?

Ohh no... those figures are 'apples and pears', ya know !

:rolleyes:

So apparently there may be an announcement tonight as to what phase 3 will bring? I’m surprised, I didn’t expect to hear anything until next Friday! Wonder why the change there, anyone know anything about it?

https://www.rte.ie/amp/1148415/?__twitter_impression=true

So Covid was in Italy in December

ACitizenErased wrote: »

If the virus has been in Italy and France since December I’m fairly certain we can say that it was here around that time too. It’s basically confirmed that it has been circulating in Europe since November/December. A mutation is likely to have caused the mass increase in hospitalisations.

Absolutely no surprise, there were plenty of posters here that said they have the worst cough and some sort of viral infection they've had around January and Feb, said posters were just dismissed by some on here saying no you didn't have it etc etc when now it looks like yes quite possibly they had it.

At the end of January I had an aggressive cough that lasted about 3 weeks and extremely tired, would come in from work and go to bed at like 7pm. Nothing else, tiredness went after a week or so, the cough was a good 3 weeks.

Middle of feb my father got a very bad cough, chills, headache, tiredness. Lasted about 2 weeks, the cough took about 3 weeks to clear. No test as he hadn't been to Italy but works in a tourism cultural site so could have easily picked something up there. At the same time as he was sick, the brother had the same symptoms as myself, cleared after 2 weeks.

I find it very hard to beleive that we all just had "a dose" given what we know now.

We're all going to book into TMB for the anti body test next week

ACitizenErased wrote: »

If the virus has been in Italy and France since December I’m fairly certain we can say that it was here around that time too. It’s basically confirmed that it has been circulating in Europe since November/December. A mutation is likely to have caused the mass increase in hospitalisations.

I very much doubt it.

The reality is it probably takes more time to swirl and reach a "critical mass" than we thought.

Deaths and infection rates were overlooked because no one was keeping eye on it.

Either way it isn't good news.