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Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

  • 18-06-2020 6:07pm
    #1
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    Otherwise all of the restrictions were for nothing


    UK, the Americas and Sweden shouldn't be allowed into Ireland till they get their omnishambles together

    Ban high risk countries from Irish airports till they get their act together? 1441 votes

    Yes
    66% 957 votes
    No
    33% 484 votes


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  • #2
    double jobbing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 322 ✭✭double jobbing


    I'm equally as concerned with Spain re opening to the Brits. An absolutely mad idea. Last I checked the UK infection rate was 200 times ours per capita. With their moves to re opening going nearly as fast as ours they will be stuck with this rate until the virus burns itself out, which they all eventually tend to do, but when that is who knows.

    I equally think it's time to consider legislation to stop Irish people returning home. Post Christmas could be a disaster if it's still rampant in the UK.

    We wont't of course. Mehole will appear on TV strongly urging ex pats not to return home, and urging those that do to stay out of pubs and house parties.

    They won't, and we will see a surge in mid January.


  • #3
    flazio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,249 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    And how exactly are you going to make Arlene Foster close all Northern Ireland air and sea ports off from her fellow country folk?


  • #4
    Amprodude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,034 ✭✭✭Amprodude


    A second wave of the virus in china is not good news. It started with one case in China as well before. If they don't keep it under countrol. There will be a second wave all around the globe come September.


  • #5
    DebDynamite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,668 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    flazio wrote: »
    And how exactly are you going to make Arlene Foster close all Northern Ireland air and sea ports off from her fellow country folk?

    Tbh, Northern Ireland aren’t really the problem, it’s the mainland UK, USA and Brazil, and any European countries opening up to the Brits, as they travel to the sun in huge numbers. Yes, if someone wants to get to Ireland, the option would be there for them to fly to Belfast and make their way down South from there, but it would be quite a big inconvenience and would deter a lot of people


  • #6
    con747
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,937 ✭✭✭con747


    Watching a programme on BBC earlier about holidays for the Brits this year and a lot were saying they will be going to Northern Ireland because no restrictions and once there can go all over the country. Aside from that the amount of flights coming in and out of Ireland from the beginning of March from a lot of the EU and USA and Russia to just name some for the best part of the lock down with no active follow up checking if adhering to the 14 day self isolation was a joke until they made it a legal requirement, is anyone checking now I wonder.......

    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.



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  • #7
    hurikane
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 691 ✭✭✭hurikane


    This fella is coming from Sweden for a cycling holiday :D

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058087666


  • #8
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    What is wrong with our country? Surely the whole point of contact tracing is to find cases and contacts and isolate. How will any of it work if we just allow anyone back into the country? Surely everyone, regardless of what country they come from needs to be quarantined. How hard is that to understand? They're making a complete mess of this. It's beyond me how people think our little country has done so well.


  • #9
    DebDynamite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,668 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    What is wrong with our country? Surely the whole point of contact tracing is to find cases and contacts and isolate. How will any of it work if we just allow anyone back into the country? Surely everyone, regarding what country they come from needs to be quarantined. How hard is that to understand? They're making a complete mess of this. It's beyond me how people think our little country has done so well.

    Exactly. How do you even go about contact tracing holiday makers/travellers, who are moving all over the place. They probably even will have left the country and gone home by the time they’d get a positive test, so wouldn’t even be on our list of people’s contacts to trace


  • #10
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    DebDynamite wrote: »
    Exactly. How do you even go about contact tracing holiday makers/travellers, who are moving all over the place. They probably even will have left the country and gone home by the time they’d get a positive test, so wouldn’t even be on our list of people’s contacts to trace

    What if they come here, feel sick and stay locked up in their hotel room and not say anything? Hotel staff would be exposed and hotel cleaners going from room to room.


  • #11
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    We need dedicated quarantine facilities for anyone coming into the country.


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  • #12
    CJhaughey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,907 ✭✭✭✭CJhaughey


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    We need dedicated quarantine facilities for anyone coming into the country.
    They have to be enforced quarantine.
    Look at NZ to see how that fares out with people being allowed to roam away from the quarantine with impunity.
    You cannot trust people to do the right thing.


  • #13
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    Things need to be done on a county by county basis. That way you can put up borders around Northern Ireland without Sinn Fein or the Ra losing the rag. Only travel for work between counties is allowed. If there is a spike in a county, you enforce the county border. If Northern Ireland kicks off again, it will be Louth, Donegal or Monaghan that will get it first.

    Shutting the airport and ferry terminals is a no brainer but the EU won't like it. And Mehole isn't exactly a strong leader that would stand up for Irish interests.


  • #14
    jay0109
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,671 ✭✭✭jay0109


    Joe Duffy gave air time the other day on Liveline to a Brazilian lad here who's boyfriend was coming over to join him this week on a student visa but Immigration stopped him at the airport and sent him back.
    Duffy of course didn't ask the pertinent question as to why Brazilians were still coming into the country! Madness


  • #15
    bettyoleary
    Registered Users Posts: 400 ✭✭bettyoleary


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    We need dedicated quarantine facilities for anyone coming into the country.
    I think you just have to accept the govt has said we cant keep our borders locked down We are going to get people bringing it in to Ireland and there is nothing we can do about it if that is what has been decided economically. People will go on holiday and bring it back. That cant be stopped People are inherently selfish and if they feel it is no threat to them or theirs they wont care about anyone else. People with money will demand openings despite risk and that will happen bcos of greed Unfortunately its a selfish world and poor and vunerable people will die until there is a vaccine.


  • #16
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    jay0109 wrote: »
    Joe Duffy gave air time the other day on Liveline to a Brazilian lad here who's boyfriend was coming over to join him this week on a student visa but Immigration stopped him at the airport and sent him back.
    Duffy of course didn't ask the pertinent question as to why Brazilians were still coming into the country! Madness

    On a student visa and no colleges open? How lovely.


  • #17
    bettyoleary
    Registered Users Posts: 400 ✭✭bettyoleary


    bettyoleary wrote: »
    I think you just have to accept the govt has said we cant keep our borders locked down We are going to get people bringing it in to Ireland and there is nothing we can do about it if that is what has been decided economically. People will go on holiday and bring it back. That cant be stopped People are inherently selfish and if they feel it is no threat to them or theirs they wont care about anyone else. People with money will demand openings despite risk and that will happen bcos of greed Unfortunately its a selfish world and poor and vunerable people will die until there is a vaccine.
    Foret quarantine its never happening. Its mitigation and only about the rich and greedy and the idiots that buy into it and don't have a penny but want to get to the pub quick and to Spain to the irish pub with their Pennys clothes. This is the way of the world Im afraid and until the virus has gone id suggest you keep 2 metres away, don't go in to enclose spaces for more than 15 mins and fingers crossed for a vaccine soon.


  • #18
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    bettyoleary wrote: »
    I think you just have to accept the govt has said we cant keep our borders locked down We are going to get people bringing it in to Ireland and there is nothing we can do about it if that is what has been decided economically. People will go on holiday and bring it back. That cant be stopped People are inherently selfish and if they feel it is no threat to them or theirs they wont care about anyone else. People with money will demand openings despite risk and that will happen bcos of greed Unfortunately its a selfish world and poor and vunerable people will die until there is a vaccine.

    We don't have to have our borders locked down. We need dedicated and enforced quarantine facilities. Not let people roam free as soon as they get off the plane. If that doesn't sound fair, tough sh!t.


  • #19
    jay0109
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,671 ✭✭✭jay0109


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    We don't have to have our borders locked down. We need dedicated and enforced quarantine facilities. Not let people roam free as soon as they get off the plane. If that doesn't sound fair, tough sh!t.

    But then Leo won't be able to cite the fact he kept the borders open at all times when he's going for the big EU/UN job in the near future!


  • #20
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    To the 5 (so far) who voted No



    Can you say why?


  • #21
    bettyoleary
    Registered Users Posts: 400 ✭✭bettyoleary


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    We don't have to have our borders locked down. We need dedicated and enforced quarantine facilities. Not let people roam free as soon as they get off the plane. If that doesn't sound fair, tough sh!t.
    That's never happening Im afraid it wont keep the rich rich. Why don't you understand that?


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  • #22
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    Amprodude wrote: »
    A second wave of the virus in china is not good news. It started with one case in China as well before. If they don't keep it under countrol. There will be a second wave all around the globe come September.

    The first wave has to end first. New global daily cases have never been higher


  • #23
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    bettyoleary wrote: »
    That's never happening Im afraid it wont keep the rich rich. Why don't you understand that?


    :confused:


  • #24
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    The first wave has to end first. New global daily cases have never been higher


    The Americas (all of them) are seriously skewing that number though no?

    Apart from Sweden, Europe have pretty much controlled it now


  • #25
    Seamai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,250 ✭✭✭Seamai


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    The Americas (all of them) are seriously skewing that number though no?

    Apart from Sweden, Europe have pretty much controlled it now

    I'm less concerned about Sweden and more about our nearest neighbour whose new case and death per capita rates are many multiples of ours, yesterday we had 8 new cases, they had 1,115, that's over 10 times our rate per capita.


  • #26
    bettyoleary
    Registered Users Posts: 400 ✭✭bettyoleary


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    :confused:
    We didn't stop the people coming from Italy at the outset of the virus here. We didn't stop people who attended mass gatherings in the UK returning to Ireland . We didn't stop world wide flights including people from China in March, That is how the virus got in. We are now allowing mass travel again. We don't have strict quarantine. we are reducing social distancing to 1 metre which is a joke and may as well be nothing. If there is a second wave we are getting it no bother. The govt know this but money for those who have it will always win out.


  • #27
    Rodin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭Rodin


    double jobbing wrote: »
    I'm equally as concerned with Spain re opening to the Brits. An absolutely mad idea. Last I checked the UK infection rate was 200 times ours per capita. With their moves to re opening going nearly as fast as ours they will be stuck with this rate until the virus burns itself out, which they all eventually tend to do, but when that is who knows.

    I equally think it's time to consider legislation to stop Irish people returning home. Post Christmas could be a disaster if it's still rampant in the UK.

    We wont't of course. Mehole will appear on TV strongly urging ex pats not to return home, and urging those that do to stay out of pubs and house parties.

    They won't, and we will see a surge in mid January.

    The Brits brought it halfway around the world to virus-free New Zealand


  • #28
    bettyoleary
    Registered Users Posts: 400 ✭✭bettyoleary


    Rodin wrote: »
    The Brits brought it halfway around the world to virus-free New Zealand
    And the Brits are very much closer to us and they will be coming on mass very soon to the hotels and pubs of Ireland and will be welcomed with open arms don't worry about it.


  • #29
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    Serious question: how can this be brought from a discussion on an internet forum to action being taken?

    Write to a Local TD we know well?

    I honestly think our open and very lax Airport control is going to come back to bite us hard


  • #30
    bettyoleary
    Registered Users Posts: 400 ✭✭bettyoleary


    bettyoleary wrote: »
    And the Brits are very much closer to us and they will be coming on mass very soon to the hotels and pubs of Ireland and will be welcomed with open arms don't worry about it.
    Not just to holiday here but to go on to Europe as well to avoid restrictions.


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  • #31
    con747
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,937 ✭✭✭con747


    bettyoleary wrote: »
    Not just to holiday here but to go on to Europe as well to avoid restrictions.

    You have a habit of replying to your own posts:confused:

    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.



  • #32
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    Too much hysterics.

    Nobody wants to travel to a different country at the minute. Brits aren't going to be flying en mass for holidays. They are out of work too and or are facing uncertainty . Its similar in every country.

    Countries can re open if they wish. Airlines can say they are flying again. Doesn't mean people are going to go anywhere.

    Airlines going bankrupt and panicking .

    The two British in New Zealand were let out of quarantine early despite one even showing mild symptoms. That's on the new Zealand authorities.


  • #33
    gral6
    Registered Users Posts: 715 ✭✭✭gral6


    We need to buid some concentration camps for people coming into Ireland !


  • #34
    con747
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,937 ✭✭✭con747


    gral6 wrote: »
    We need to buid some concentration camps for people coming into Ireland !

    We have them, direct provision centres.

    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.



  • #35
    jay0109
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,671 ✭✭✭jay0109


    con747 wrote: »
    We have them, direct provision centres.

    :rolleyes:


  • #36
    greensheep777
    Registered Users Posts: 219 ✭✭greensheep777


    con747 wrote: »
    You have a habit of replying to your own posts:confused:

    Forgets to log out of her alt account.


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  • #37
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    If the airlines go bust, they go bust. The market for airtravel will still be there, the pilots and flight attendants will still be qualified, and the planes will just need a new lick of paint for their new company logos.

    I won't be shedding tears for Airline Shareholders. If an average person invests 50k into his own start up business, it fails, goes bust, we don't government running around frantically trying to bail the guy out. If he invested 50k in marketshares, government seem to run out of their way to protect him.


  • #38
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    If he invested 50k in marketshares, government seem to run out of their way to protect him.


    It's the opposite to this actually

    If Ryanair ever needed to be Nationalised (and they never will), all shareholders will be diluted to the point that their holdings are next to worthless


  • #39
    Fr Tod Umptious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,392 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    Too much hysterics.

    Nobody wants to travel to a different country at the minute. Brits aren't going to be flying en mass for holidays. They are out of work too and or are facing uncertainty . Its similar in every country.

    Countries can re open if they wish. Airlines can say they are flying again. Doesn't mean people are going to go anywhere.

    Airlines going bankrupt and panicking .

    The two British in New Zealand were let out of quarantine early despite one even showing mild symptoms. That's on the new Zealand authorities.
    Exactly.
    Just because countries say they are open does not mean that tourism has returned to normal.

    Even though airlines are flying again does not mean that flights are anywhere near full.

    It's a bit like the hysteria we had here in Easter when people were giving out about the hoards of people coming over on the ferry from the UK, I think in the end the total number of cars was four.

    Places like Spain have to open to try and kick start their economies again, they rely on it.

    But there is no guarantee it will work.

    It will be interesting locally after June 29th how our own tourism sector gets on trying to open and deal with restrictions.

    With COVID 19 there is always a bogeyman.
    On this thread it's "the Brits" wanting their holiday.

    In previous ones it was Italian rugby fans, Cheltenham goers, Keelings workers etc.

    Wash your hands, observe social distancing, stay safe.
    That's what keeps the bogeyman away.


  • #40
    Golfman64
    Registered Users Posts: 314 ✭✭Golfman64


    I think the Government are taking a sensible approach here to inbound travel. In all likelihood, you will see our border open by mid July to most of the European Union. We are 3-4 weeks behind countries such as Austria, Germany and others in terms of the easing of restrictions and this will be no different when it comes to opening our borders.

    The Government will also come under further pressure to open, in line with other member states, in order to receive their share of the Covid-19 recovery fund. If we take the decision to close our borders for an elongated time period, therefore impacting our revenue loss from tourism even further, I don't see our position to fight for a larger share of the recovery fund being very strong.

    It is unlikely we will be given any advance notice of the easing of the mandatory form filling exercise as the government will still look to limit to a minimum, the number of people entering the state from other countries.


  • #41
    [Deleted User]
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    This thread is hysterical!!


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  • #42
    jay0109
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,671 ✭✭✭jay0109


    Golfman64 wrote: »
    I think the Government are taking a sensible approach here to inbound travel. In all likelihood, you will see our border open by mid July to most of the European Union. We are 3-4 weeks behind countries such as Austria, Germany and others in terms of the easing of restrictions and this will be no different when it comes to opening our borders.

    The Government will also come under further pressure to open, in line with other member states, in order to receive their share of the Covid-19 recovery fund. If we take the decision to close our borders for an elongated time period, therefore impacting our revenue loss from tourism even further, I don't see our position to fight for a larger share of the recovery fund being very strong.

    It is unlikely we will be given any advance notice of the easing of the mandatory form filling exercise as the government will still look to limit to a minimum, the number of people entering the state from other countries.

    It's never being closed to have to reopen!


  • #43
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    Deleted User wrote: »
    This thread is hysterical!!


    Explain ....


  • #44
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    Explain ....

    Dedicated forced quarantine facilities, legislation to prevent Irish people from returning home..... :rolleyes:


  • #45
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    We have some of the most relaxed and lax airport controls at the moment. Some Third World countries have tighter restrictions than us



    https://www.kayak.ie/travel-restrictions



    "shure it'll be grand"


  • #46
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    Professor Samuel McConkey was on Today FM earlier (Approximately between 5.15pm to 5.30pm if you want to listen back) and he said the following


    Roughly quoting with words but accurate in the numbers he said:
    If you're not on the list of close contacts of those currently isolating, your chances of getting this in the community are between 1 in 2.5 Million to 1 in 5 Million

    I'm much more concerned about how open our airports are at the moment to high risk countries. If we put better measures in place against these high risk countries we can keep it suppressed. Otherwise, we can rise to a thousand new cases in the space of 5 days if the R0 gets out of control with imported cases from travellers from high risk countries


    So great news about how suppressed it currently is right?

    But, our airports are so exposed to UK, USA, Brazil and others, then isn't it just a matter of time before we blow all the great work done by the Restrictions?


  • #47
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,357 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    Professor Samuel McConkey was on Today FM earlier (Approximately between 5.15pm to 5.30pm if you want to listen back) and he said the following


    Roughly quoting with words but accurate in the numbers he said:




    So great news about how suppressed it currently is right?

    But, our airports are so exposed to UK, USA, Brazil and others, that isn't it just a matter of time before we blow all the great work done by the Restrictions?

    Lockdowns were to give the health services time to prepare and not be completely overwhelmed. That was it. We aren't going to be able to just wait out this virus and still have functioning societies and economies. As soon as places reopen, cases start to appear again. Its here for good. Question is, how do we function as normally as possible alongside it? Thats what we should be focusing on IMO.


  • #48
    Charles Babbage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,890 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Lockdowns were to give the health services time to prepare and not be completely overwhelmed. That was it. We aren't going to be able to just wait out this virus and still have functioning societies and economies. As soon as places reopen, cases start to appear again. Its here for good. Question is, how do we function as normally as possible alongside it? Thats what we should be focusing on IMO.


    Cases only appear if there is someone with the virus to start it.
    Which is why we need to restrict access from high risk countries.



    We can have people come from Germany, Austria, Denmark etc.
    Set criteria, and that should determine things. Not people spouting on Boards.ie.


  • #49
    gral6
    Registered Users Posts: 715 ✭✭✭gral6


    Charles Babbage wrote: »
    Cases only appear if there is someone with the virus to start it.
    Which is why we need to restrict access from high risk countries.



    We can have people come from Germany, Austria, Denmark etc.
    Set criteria, and that should determine things. Not people spouting on Boards.ie.


    Burn down airports! Let's keep the virus supressed!


  • #50
    gral6
    Registered Users Posts: 715 ✭✭✭gral6


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    We have some of the most relaxed and lax airport controls at the moment. Some Third World countries have tighter restrictions than us



    https://www.kayak.ie/travel-restrictions



    "shure it'll be grand"


    This is why these countries are Third World countries.


  • #51
    Juwwi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,251 ✭✭✭Juwwi


    It seemed common sense to many at the time that Cheltenham ,Italian rugby fans still coming over ECT back in March shouldn't of been allowed , and the government made a balls of it .

    We now have a second chance of keeping our island at low numbers , if they make another mess of it will be criminal .


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