Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings

Goldengirl · 18-06-2020 05:01PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Hows cocooning going? Any plans to travel maybe in 2024 when vaccine is rolled out? :rolleyes:

Actually not cocooning as you know , I have been working through most of this except the beginning when I had a very nasty "flu" and pleurisy .

So maybe when you get your own arse from behind the keyboard you might get a little bit of perspective !

18-06-2020 05:04PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Employment is important too but not the expense of people's safety and lives , as other countries are finding out .

That depends.

If nobody is employed then society will collapse. It would be every man and woman for themselves. You'd have to learn how to fish, hunt etc. Life expectancy would completely drop as there'd be no doctors/nurses.

Maintaining some kind of civilized society and structure is actually more important than lives. At least to me. And based on the above.

SusieBlue · 18-06-2020 05:06PM

If we don’t have employment we have nothing. We’d be back to the days of workhouses & institutions for the poor & destitute. Nothing could be worse than that.

skelly22 · 18-06-2020 05:07PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

So surveys are meaningless , silly thing to say .
Bxxxsxxt... Night club economy huge ..
Only to a certain group of people . A lot here I think .
Pubs are pretty much an essential , and all will be done to try to get them back and running , but nightclubs can wait , until we are sure this isn't coming back.
It's tough I know , but hopefully not for ever .

I have to say Goldengirl, your posts don't give the impression you're affected very much by this lockdown thing. Your singing off Tony Holohan's hymn sheet...happy enough for it to go on and on and on.....and on...until it's gone. You're the first person I've heard hint that this could go on for ever!

Ginger n Lemon · 18-06-2020 05:10PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Actually not cocooning as you know , I have been working through most of this except the beginning when I had a very nasty "flu" and pleurisy .

So maybe when you get your own arse from behind the keyboard you might get a little bit of perspective !

Do you want a medal or?

I have been working throughout all of this too. From home.

You didnt answer the question, any holiday plans for 2024 when you get your vaccine? You ll note I have been reading your posts and know that you wont travel without a vaccine.

dalyboy · 18-06-2020 05:13PM

TaurenDruid wrote: »

Because I look at places like Sweden, which kept it's schools open throughout. Not working out great for them.

Has Sweden somehow failed ? As far as I see it they’re ahead in three factors. (1) they’re economic activity never halted so they’re ok there.

(2) they are well and truly ahead in terms of “herd immunity” (which in my opinion is inevitably going to be the course of realistic action that all countries will take as a vaccine is poppycocks for this virus)

and

(3) they’re deaths per million (tragic as they are admittedly) are still lower than Belgium, UK , Spain and Italy.

Why is the media and nodding along public focused so negatively on Sweden recently?

Goldengirl · 18-06-2020 05:21PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

That depends.

If nobody is employed then society will collapse. It would be every man and woman for themselves. You'd have to learn how to fish, hunt etc. Life expectancy would completely drop as there'd be no doctors/nurses.

Maintaining some kind of civilized society and structure is actually more important than lives. At least to me. And based on the above.

This must be a joke post?
Noone is forecasting the complete breakdown of society by keeping nightclubs closed and restricting crowds in pubs !

You do realise that it is forecast by OECD that while our economy may contract this year roughly the same as rest of Eutope, it will be back next year , IF we don't have to lockdown again.
So it is in everyone's interests to ensure that particular scenario won't happen .
Even if regional restrictions were imposed , on a hub like Dublin , which seems to be the most likely scenario given the numbers in Dublin previously and the population density , that would be very damaging for the country's economy as a whole .

Tokyo · 18-06-2020 05:23PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Gibberish, is all I ever see from you !
Don't make me laugh ��

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Hows cocooning going? Any plans to travel maybe in 2024 when vaccine is rolled out? :rolleyes:

Mod: The bickering is wearing thin. Both of you, take 48 hours away from the thread to cool off.

TaurenDruid · 18-06-2020 05:31PM

dalyboy wrote: »

Has Sweden somehow failed ? As far as I see it they’re ahead in three factors. (1) they’re economic activity never halted so they’re ok there.

(2) they are well and truly ahead in terms of “herd immunity” (which in my opinion is inevitably going to be the course of realistic action that all countries will take as a vaccine is poppycocks for this virus)

and

(3) they’re deaths per million (tragic as they are admittedly) are still lower than Belgium, UK , Spain and Italy.

Why is the media and nodding along public focused so negatively on Sweden recently?

Because they thought Sweden was doing brilliantly staying open and keeping it's economy flying. Then saw it wasn't flattening it's curve. Then saw it's death rate far outstripped that of the other Scandinavian countries who did have lockdowns. That's why.

As for "herd immunity" - you do realise that herd immunity is only a thing if you can't catch covid19 a second time, don't you? The jury is still out on that, unfortunately.

skelly22 · 18-06-2020 05:34PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

So surveys are meaningless , silly thing to say .
Bxxxsxxt... Night club economy huge ..
Only to a certain group of people . A lot here I think .
Pubs are pretty much an essential , and all will be done to try to get them back and running , but nightclubs can wait , until we are sure this isn't coming back.
It's tough I know , but hopefully not for ever .

Goldengirl wrote: »

Nah, you have misread snd misquoted me .
I am pro restrictions lifting as they are .

No. I wouldn't do either. You may well be pro-restrictions lifting but with the caveat of "only when we're sure this isn't coming back" for certain industries. These are real people working in real industries with real families to support. When do you reckon we'll be sure? Just to give them peace of mind.

Bredabe · 18-06-2020 05:35PM

jonnny68 wrote: »

I have travelled regularly outside Dublin, trains much busier but everyone social distancing.

If Leo's special adviser can travel to Galway from Dublin ,twice in fact, during the early stages of the lockdown and nothing is said theres no reason why anyone else cant travel.

Theres absolutely no scientific evidence or logical reason as to why people cannot travel throughout the country as long as they practice good hand hygiene and social distancing, the prophets of doom and lockdown fanatics will cry foul but these are the type of people who believe absolutely everything they are told by this shambles of a government who have in effect made an absolute and utter mess of things.

Has a date for non essential travel permission, been announced yet?

hmmm · 18-06-2020 05:39PM

skelly22 wrote: »

No. I wouldn't do either. You may well be pro-restrictions lifting but with the caveat of "only when we're sure this isn't coming back" for certain industries. These are real people working in real industries with real families to support. When do you reckon we'll be sure? Just to give them peace of mind.

There are difficult decisions to be made - I personally don't see any way for nightclubs to return while the virus is still circulating, and until we have a good treatment or a vaccine. It spreads too fast in that sort of environment, and it only takes 1 person to light a spark.

Maybe if we had completely eliminated the virus from the island that would be different, but the people on this thread wouldn't like that approach.

The government should provide support to families and workers who have been affected. Hopefully as we get more areas of the economy back to work, it will be easier to target that help on those businesses which are affected longer-term.

Clonmel1000 · 18-06-2020 05:54PM

Eliminate the virus from the island? How will that work??? No trade no visitors until when? This lockdown has shown me more than ever that there are some very strange people living here.

skelly22 · 18-06-2020 06:10PM

hmmm wrote: »

There are difficult decisions to be made - I personally don't see any way for nightclubs to return while the virus is still circulating, and until we have a good treatment or a vaccine. It spreads too fast in that sort of environment, and it only takes 1 person to light a spark.

Maybe if we had completely eliminated the virus from the island that would be different, but the people on this thread wouldn't like that approach.

The government should provide support to families and workers who have been affected. Hopefully as we get more areas of the economy back to work, it will be easier to target that help on those businesses which are affected longer-term.

I don't think anyone's aspiration should be to eliminate the virus from the island before we get the full economy back to work. The sooner we learn to live with this at every level the better. The message has switched from "Flatten the Curve" to "Eliminate the Virus" and that's what's frustrating so many people at this stage. And just when businesses need as much encouragement as they can get to re-open, they get hit with a hat-full of ridiculous impediments that makes you wonder why they'd even bother.

is_that_so · 18-06-2020 06:16PM

dalyboy wrote: »

Has Sweden somehow failed ? As far as I see it they’re ahead in three factors. (1) they’re economic activity never halted so they’re ok there.

(2) they are well and truly ahead in terms of “herd immunity” (which in my opinion is inevitably going to be the course of realistic action that all countries will take as a vaccine is poppycocks for this virus)

and

(3) they’re deaths per million (tragic as they are admittedly) are still lower than Belgium, UK , Spain and Italy.

Why is the media and nodding along public focused so negatively on Sweden recently?

1) Not brilliant at all.

The National Institute of Economic Research, a respected think tank, said in a statement published April 29 that it believed Sweden’s economy would shrink 7% this year, with unemployment anticipated to rise to 10.2%.

2)As for prevalence of the infection their level may be 14% at best, probably lower. That's nowhere near herd immunity.

3) Countries have been counting deaths differently.

Penfailed · 18-06-2020 07:48PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

That depends.

If nobody is employed then society will collapse. It would be every man and woman for themselves. You'd have to learn how to fish, hunt etc. Life expectancy would completely drop as there'd be no doctors/nurses.

Maintaining some kind of civilized society and structure is actually more important than lives. At least to me. And based on the above.

Hahaha! Total breakdown of society now is it?!

snowcat · 18-06-2020 07:49PM

skelly22 wrote: »

I don't think anyone's aspiration should be to eliminate the virus from the island before we get the full economy back to work. The sooner we learn to live with this at every level the better. The message has switched from "Flatten the Curve" to "Eliminate the Virus" and that's what's frustrating so many people at this stage. And just when businesses need as much encouragement as they can get to re-open, they get hit with a hat-full of ridiculous impediments that makes you wonder why they'd even bother.

New Zealand learned very quickly that unless you are prepared to live in a bubble and more than likely devestate your economy you are not going to maintain a virus free society. The best we can hope for with an open economy and open border is to contain this virus. We need our contact tracing and testing system to be top notch. Where we are now is the best we can hope for. Like Denmark Austria Switzerland etc (who relaxed restrictions well before us). The virus should be contained at this stage and we need to learn to live with it and to deal with the inevitable outbreaks as they occur. (Like Germany are doing at the moment with their large recent outbreak

Captain_Crash · 18-06-2020 08:32PM

Bredabe wrote: »

Has a date for non essential travel permission, been announced yet?

The additional powers granted to the guards back in April expired last week so you can effectively travel anywhere you like.

The gov do still say 20km but as there are no Garda powers avail there is nothing stopping you legally.

stephenjmcd · 18-06-2020 08:46PM

Barbers and hair dressers to be allowed open on 29th

Gael23 · 18-06-2020 09:56PM

Talks of outdoor gatherings of 5k in September. What’s the story with indoor gatherings?

retro:electro · 18-06-2020 10:08PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Barbers and hair dressers to be allowed open on 29th

I had just ordered a home hair dye kit from amazon that was due to arrive on June 29th. I feel like this is a sign :pac:

acequion · 18-06-2020 10:44PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Barbers and hair dressers to be allowed open on 29th

That's great news.

stephenjmcd · 18-06-2020 10:57PM

https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1273704085280239616?s=19

rob316 · 18-06-2020 11:10PM

As I predicted all along everything open by July. It's a necessity, the country is been bled dry.

Assetbacked · 18-06-2020 11:11PM

Covid was a marketing ploy by the makers of Tik Tok.

/ a man in his 30s who called it a mid life crisis when anyone in their late 20s+ was into it but is enjoying it now.

Naos · 18-06-2020 11:48PM

rob316 wrote: »

As I predicted all along everything open by July. It's a necessity, the country is been bled dry.

Ah come on, did you really predict that?

rob316 · 19-06-2020 06:00AM

Naos wrote: »

Ah come on, did you really predict that?

Well as far back as the reopening phases were announced at least. I said it was too slow and for the sake of the country everything had to be reopened by July and will be.

mean gene · 19-06-2020 06:36AM

setanta1984 wrote: »

I was in a hospital for the first time during the week, and this is what swung it for me. Walking through the corridors, all the staff and whoever else, at most 30% were wearing masks. "Social distancing" basically non-existent. People sitting in cafes like normal. People chatting away in groups. This is one of the only environments where there may actually be a small chance of catching it. Either it's required everywhere or it's not??
I was able to walk in off the street through a major hospital with no mask etc. and go where I want but there's this big rigamarole in a clothes shop or restaurant? Come on.

Great point sums it up really if they ain't doing it in a hospital why do we have to behave like lepers going for a pint

joeguevara · 19-06-2020 06:42AM

rob316 wrote: »

Well as far back as the reopening phases were announced at least. I said it was too slow and for the sake of the country everything had to be reopened by July and will be.

Well in the original phases everything was to be open by July. Final phase in August was foreign travel and large spectator sports.

stephenjmcd · 19-06-2020 08:32AM

joeguevara wrote: »

Well in the original phases everything was to be open by July. Final phase in August was foreign travel and large spectator sports.

No it wasn't, bars, shopping centres etc were all not due to open until 10th August, even at that large spectator sports won't be allowed past August

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings