Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings

MickeyLeari · 18-06-2020 01:47PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Fully agree with this. I'd love to be able to head out to the shops and pick up some new clothes, get a haircut, sit down for a meal, drink a few pints and have some normality.

But with all the restrictions in place, its just too much hassle.

I don't want to sit in a hairdressers watching a guy in full PPE and a face mask coming at me. No thanks.

I don't want to queue to get into a shop and be told what way I'm supposed to walk and be warned not to try anything on. Then have an awkward encounter behind a big plastic visor.

I don't want to go to book a table to go to the pub and have to spend at least 9 euro on some pub grub as an excuse to have a few pints.

Its all ridiculous nonsense. These businesses are sadly going to fail if this carries on. People will deal with it initially. But the novelty will quickly wear off.

I know it is very frustrating but the reality is not so bad.

18-06-2020 01:51PM

NotMOL wrote: »

I wonder what would happen if you accidentally put down the wrong number and address? I doubt they would go chase the person

They do call you twice in the period. When they called me I asked what they'd have done if they hadn't been able to get hold of me and they said that they would follow up and investigate the data provided.

To not give the correct details would be a d*ck move, in any case. It's not mandatory to do the quarantine, and the main purpose of getting the contact details is to enable tracing and tracking. Only an a**hole would compromise that process by giving fake info

TaurenDruid · 18-06-2020 02:01PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Someone wanting to be normal is inhuman now?

You forgot to mention "new normal" in your post there.

No, of course not. I didn't say it was.

Did I leave out the sarcasm emoji?

The "new normal" can go **** off - these restrictions are temporary. And they're easing. Why? Because the R number, death rate, and rate of infections are coming down. Why is that? Because of the restrictions.

Personally, I think a few more weeks of pain and then a full reopening is far better for society and the economy than a start-stop, oh-****-here's-a-second-wave unpredictable mess. But that's just me, Ginger. You do you.

jonnny68 · 18-06-2020 02:06PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Sure you could have just flown into Dublin and just filled in the form. Its the only mandatory part

not taking the chance in case they call to my house.

jonnny68 · 18-06-2020 02:12PM

Bredabe wrote: »

Anyone know or have any idea, when intercounty travel will be allowed? Counties outside of the 20k border range that is.

I have travelled regularly outside Dublin, trains much busier but everyone social distancing.

If Leo's special adviser can travel to Galway from Dublin ,twice in fact, during the early stages of the lockdown and nothing is said theres no reason why anyone else cant travel.

Theres absolutely no scientific evidence or logical reason as to why people cannot travel throughout the country as long as they practice good hand hygiene and social distancing, the prophets of doom and lockdown fanatics will cry foul but these are the type of people who believe absolutely everything they are told by this shambles of a government who have in effect made an absolute and utter mess of things.

is_that_so · 18-06-2020 02:14PM

Onesea wrote: »

A cargo ship would have suited that job better

And it may well be used after this is over but it takes about 50 days by sea at a time when speed of response has been so vital.

Ginger n Lemon · 18-06-2020 02:26PM

TaurenDruid wrote: »

No, of course not. I didn't say it was.

Did I leave out the sarcasm emoji?

The "new normal" can go **** off - these restrictions are temporary. And they're easing. Why? Because the R number, death rate, and rate of infections are coming down. Why is that? Because of the restrictions.

Personally, I think a few more weeks of pain and then a full reopening is far better for society and the economy than a start-stop, oh-****-here's-a-second-wave unpredictable mess. But that's just me, Ginger. You do you.

Your cautious approach is cautious. and thats alright, the one thing i ll say is that
there was a notorious poster here "Arghus" who was very cautious like you, he did however say, even he!, so to speak, said, that if new cases are in single digits he would be alright accelerating lifting restrictions.

We are genuinely in single digits now. Surely you have to agree that no business should be closed post 29 June? thats 11 days away too.

Onesea · 18-06-2020 02:30PM

is_that_so wrote: »

And it may well be used after this is over but it takes about 50 days by sea at a time when speed of response has been so vital.

The winter requirement should be over water, a weekly load could be maintained with a few lights alone, hell I would have used a 744f for the flights you can fit 110 tons of cargo into one flight as opposed to the limited internal volume of a pax a330. For such a long operation these choices should have been used.

You could fit years of supplied in one bulk carrier.

Captain_Crash · 18-06-2020 02:43PM

Onesea wrote: »

The winter requirement should be over water, a weekly load could be maintained with a few lights alone, hell I would have used a 744f for the flights you can fit 110 tons of cargo into one flight as opposed to the limited internal volume of a pax a330. For such a long operation these choices should have been used.

You could fit years of supplied in one bulk carrier.

Several 744F’s have been in with cargo.... but with increased demand comes decreased availability along with higher costs.

Also they won’t carry 110t of PPE... weight isn’t an issue, this type of cargo is volume limited

Onesea · 18-06-2020 03:15PM

Captain_Crash wrote: »

Several 744F’s have been in with cargo.... but with increased demand comes decreased availability along with higher costs.

Also they won’t carry 110t of PPE... weight isn’t an issue, this type of cargo is volume limited

The volume limits I get, but for future needs I'm surprised the ship option hasn't been used.

TaurenDruid · 18-06-2020 03:29PM

jonnny68 wrote: »

If Leo's special adviser can travel to Galway from Dublin ,twice in fact, during the early stages of the lockdown and nothing is said theres no reason why anyone else cant travel.

There was this whole "You can travel for essential purposes" thing, which included travel for work, but you may have missed it.

Goldengirl · 18-06-2020 03:32PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

.....haven't we all :rolleyes:....the confusion and detail with all these regulations is mind boggling ........and laughable. People lose interest in all the "latest" adjustsment to regulations etc.
I don't know when I last watched the News. I'm just getting on with life as normal these days as much as I can. The government have lost a lot of the public with the intricacies of their "roadmap" and the amount of changes and amendments to it.

I'm not going near shops till all this nonsense is over , maybe in September when people have lost interest in queueing, likewise pubs, restaurants and coffee shops.

So you are restricting yourself because you don't like the restrictions?

Goldengirl · 18-06-2020 03:36PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I'm just so depressed with this whole situation. There is already going to be a recession, no doubt about it at all. However, the pedantic restrictions we still have in place are likely to make this recession a million times worse. Businesses simply can't function with these restrictions and way less people are interested in going out to spend money with the restrictions in place.

Sure, there will be some queue's initially. People dying to have a shop in Penneys again, or Ikea, or dying to get back into a pub. But sales are going to be massively down. The queue's are more due to only letting certain numbers in. Its not that its busy.

People are already saying they are sick of shopping. Have to queue to get in. Not allowed to try on clothes etc. Eventually people will only shop for essentials or go online. This then leads to staff cuts and store closures. Most of these shops rely on people drifting in off the street and purchasing a few things.

How many people will actually go to the pub when you have to book a table, buy a meal, remain seated? That's not what going to pub is about. If those measures remain in place, eventually the pubs will be dead. People will be drinking more at home and house parties will be more popular.

Really feel that eventually all of this will come to an ugly head at some point. Either the economy will dictate that we simply have to get back to normal. Or people will end up protesting. Or most likely, rules will be largely ignored and the garda will pick on some soft targets.

I think most people are just getting on with their lives and aren't that bothered , tbh .

TaurenDruid · 18-06-2020 03:40PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Your cautious approach is cautious. and thats alright, the one thing i ll say is that
there was a notorious poster here "Arghus" who was very cautious like you, he did however say, even he!, so to speak, said, that if new cases are in single digits he would be alright accelerating lifting restrictions.

We are genuinely in single digits now. Surely you have to agree that no business should be closed post 29 June? thats 11 days away too.

Why would I agree with that? It'd be stupid.

Where social distancing and other sensible precautions can be maintained, then there's no problem with re-opening, according to the plan. Have they got everything right in the plan? Probably not. But seeing as we are doing so well, I'd say credit where it's due, NPHET are doing something right, let's stick with their plan.

Where social distancing can't be maintained or other problems exist, then I'll err on the side of caution.

Nightclubs and other venues where social distancing can't be maintained should remain closed. That includes jammers Temple Bar pubs! Hairdressers, given all they've been saying about preparedness, would probably be ok? I guess? Gyms would seem a bit dodgy. I can't see a problem with swimming pools and am puzzled as to why they're still closed. I'm really wary of schools and creches re-opening but recognise they have to if everything else is supposed to. But it needs to be done in a way that doesn't put staff or vulnerable members of the community at risk.

End of the day, I'm Joe Public, just like you, and I'm not going to take an industry rep's word at face value. Thankfully, I don't have to.

Goldengirl · 18-06-2020 03:41PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

What is even more staggering is the amount we have spent on PPE - over €1 billion so far!

Has anyone done a cost benefit analysis of what we're getting out of this colossal amount of money? Remember when everyone was aghast at spending €2 billion on a hospital to treat sick children and now we're heading on course to spend the same amount on disposable PPE this year!!??

And now Government are focused on belching out realms of bureaucratic nonsense that will make it impossible for private sector business to get back trading again

What in the name of fcuk is going on in this country?

To quote you " What in the name of fcuk" is going through your head to talk about " cost benefit analysis " of PPE ?

Goldengirl · 18-06-2020 03:44PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

Wow, that sounds like a joke. A hospital is probably the most likely route that the virus might potentially escape and re-enter the community from.

We have sacrificed so much as a country to only piss it down the drain by falling at the last hurdle with things like this

Don't forget healthcare staff are being tested frequently so there is less danger of them being unknowingly infectious

Goldengirl · 18-06-2020 03:56PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Fully agree with this. I'd love to be able to head out to the shops and pick up some new clothes, get a haircut, sit down for a meal, drink a few pints and have some normality.

But with all the restrictions in place, its just too much hassle.

I don't want to sit in a hairdressers watching a guy in full PPE and a face mask coming at me. No thanks.

I don't want to queue to get into a shop and be told what way I'm supposed to walk and be warned not to try anything on. Then have an awkward encounter behind a big plastic visor.

I don't want to go to book a table to go to the pub and have to spend at least 9 euro on some pub grub as an excuse to have a few pints.

Its all ridiculous nonsense. These businesses are sadly going to fail if this carries on. People will deal with it initially. But the novelty will quickly wear off.

All I can see in this post is ...

I want ..
.or ..
I don't want !

Try thinking of someone else besides yourself and your pint and haircut for a change.
88% of Irish people are happy with the pace of lifting of restrictions .
It's not all about you .

18-06-2020 03:58PM

TaurenDruid wrote: »

Why would I agree with that? It'd be stupid.

Where social distancing and other sensible precautions can be maintained, then there's no problem with re-opening, according to the plan. Have they got everything right in the plan? Probably not. But seeing as we are doing so well, I'd say credit where it's due, NPHET are doing something right, let's stick with their plan.

Where social distancing can't be maintained or other problems exist, then I'll err on the side of caution.

Nightclubs and other venues where social distancing can't be maintained should remain closed. That includes jammers Temple Bar pubs! Hairdressers, given all they've been saying about preparedness, would probably be ok? I guess? Gyms would seem a bit dodgy. I can't see a problem with swimming pools and am puzzled as to why they're still closed. I'm really wary of schools and creches re-opening but recognise they have to if everything else is supposed to. But it needs to be done in a way that doesn't put staff or vulnerable members of the community at risk.

End of the day, I'm Joe Public, just like you, and I'm not going to take an industry rep's word at face value. Thankfully, I don't have to.

Again though, lets say there is no vaccine in the foreseeable future.

You'd be happy for nightclubs and bars to remain closed? For how long should they remain closed? 20th July, 20th September, 20th March 2021?

Nightlife is a big part of our economy. There will be huge economic impact on the country without it.

18-06-2020 04:04PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

All I can see in this post is ...

I want ..
.or ..
I don't want !

Try thinking of someone else besides yourself and your point and haircut for a change.
88% of Irish people are happy with the pace of lifting of restrictions .
It's not all about you .

Lol!

Surely you mean 88% of people surveyed? How many people were asked? Unless the entire country was asked, then you can't say 88% of Irish people can you?

I'm not THAT worried about myself either. I'm working from home and have saved thousands.

Its the economy I'm worried for. Most don't seem to realize it yet, but the Covid payments will be ending soon. And the banks willing be demanding payments on loans again soon.

The game has to end at some point.

Elmer Blooker · 18-06-2020 04:05PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

88% of Irish people are happy with the pace of lifting of restrictions .

Lets wait and see how 'happy' these people will be six months from now.

Ginger n Lemon · 18-06-2020 04:13PM

TaurenDruid wrote: »

Why would I agree with that? It'd be stupid.

Where social distancing and other sensible precautions can be maintained, then there's no problem with re-opening, according to the plan. Have they got everything right in the plan? Probably not. But seeing as we are doing so well, I'd say credit where it's due, NPHET are doing something right, let's stick with their plan.

Where social distancing can't be maintained or other problems exist, then I'll err on the side of caution.

Nightclubs and other venues where social distancing can't be maintained should remain closed. That includes jammers Temple Bar pubs! Hairdressers, given all they've been saying about preparedness, would probably be ok? I guess? Gyms would seem a bit dodgy. I can't see a problem with swimming pools and am puzzled as to why they're still closed. I'm really wary of schools and creches re-opening but recognise they have to if everything else is supposed to. But it needs to be done in a way that doesn't put staff or vulnerable members of the community at risk.

End of the day, I'm Joe Public, just like you, and I'm not going to take an industry rep's word at face value. Thankfully, I don't have to.

That in bold :rolleyes:

Why are you wary of schools re opening? You know Denmark had schools opened since 14 April, have you read a single report of children bringing infection home and their parents dying or something?

Have you ever stopped to consider how socially awkward children will grow up to be if in their key development phase they are forced to stay at home and "study online"?

Ginger n Lemon · 18-06-2020 04:15PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

All I can see in this post is ...

I want ..
.or ..
I don't want !

Try thinking of someone else besides yourself and your point and haircut for a change.
88% of Irish people are happy with the pace of lifting of restrictions .
It's not all about you .

All I see in that post is a want to get back to normality.

All I see in gibberish you post is that 9 out of 10 people in Ireland are delighted with restrictions.

Come end of August, when 350 euros runs out, do a poll and see how happy people really are.

TaurenDruid · 18-06-2020 04:37PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

That in bold :rolleyes:

Why are you wary of schools re opening? You know Denmark had schools opened since 14 April, have you read a single report of children bringing infection home and their parents dying or something?

Because I look at places like Sweden, which kept it's schools open throughout. Not working out great for them.

Goldengirl · 18-06-2020 04:37PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Lol!

Surely you mean 88% of people surveyed? How many people were asked? Unless the entire country was asked, then you can't say 88% of Irish people can you?

I'm not THAT worried about myself either. I'm working from home and have saved thousands.

Its the economy I'm worried for. Most don't seem to realize it yet, but the Covid payments will be ending soon. And the banks willing be demanding payments on loans again soon.

The game has to end at some point.

So surveys are meaningless , silly thing to say .
Bxxxsxxt... Night club economy huge ..
Only to a certain group of people . A lot here I think .
Pubs are pretty much an essential , and all will be done to try to get them back and running , but nightclubs can wait , until we are sure this isn't coming back.
It's tough I know , but hopefully not for ever .

stephenjmcd · 18-06-2020 04:41PM

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

Lets wait and see how 'happy' these people will be six months from now.

Or when their 350 quid stops or when the government stop propping up wages. That's when more jobs could be lost

stephenjmcd · 18-06-2020 04:43PM

TaurenDruid wrote: »

Because I look at places like Sweden, which kept it's schools open throughout. Not working out great for them.

get off it, Sweden went with a completely different strategy, you can't compare them leaving schools open, they left nearly everything open.

Others brought their schools back as one of the first reopening measures.

stephenjmcd · 18-06-2020 04:45PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

So surveys are meaningless , silly thing to say .
Bxxxsxxt... Night club economy huge ..
Only to a certain group of people . A lot here I think .
Pubs are pretty much an essential , and all will be done to try to get them back and running , but nightclubs can wait , until we are sure this isn't coming back.
It's tough I know , but hopefully not for ever .

I agree nightclubs won't be back anytime soon but you can't dismiss Irelands night time economy as not being huge. Its a massive source of revenue to the state and filters down through the economy in multiple different industries.

What also seems to be coming out of this and part of the new programme for government is a renewed focus on nighttime economy.

Goldengirl · 18-06-2020 04:46PM

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

Lets wait and see how 'happy' these people will be six months from now.

You seem to think that nobody else but your good self knows there is a recession coming down the line .

I would say that quite a lot of people are more worried than you give them credit for, and yet are still ok with the lockdown and the slower pace of restrictions.
Why? A lot of us have lived through more than one recession, some 2 or 3 , and do you know what, we were ok, we got through it and rebuilt our jobs and our lives , and know the most important things in life are not a pint and a haircut , or going clubbing.
Employment is important too but not the expense of people's safety and lives , as other countries are finding out .

Goldengirl · 18-06-2020 04:48PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

All I see in that post is a want to get back to normality.

All I see in gibberish you post is that 9 out of 10 people in Ireland are delighted with restrictions.

Come end of August, when 350 euros runs out, do a poll and see how happy people really are.

Gibberish, is all I ever see from you !
Don't make me laugh ðŸ€£

Ginger n Lemon · 18-06-2020 04:56PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Gibberish, is all I ever see from you !
Don't make me laugh &#55356;&#56355;

Hows cocooning going? Any plans to travel maybe in 2024 when vaccine is rolled out? :rolleyes:

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings