Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings

Allinall · 17-06-2020 10:03AM

facehugger99 wrote: »

Use your common sense.

The 'rules' are nonsensical, made up by a load of lifer bureaucrats clucking away at each other in an echo-chamber. They have no basis in science.[/QUOTE]

Bit like most of the posts in this thread.

Benimar · 17-06-2020 10:06AM

Whilst 90 minutes is a bit shorter than I thought (i figured 2 hours) did people really think that, with restricted numbers, they could just rack up to the restaurant and ask for 'table for 6 please'

I'm really surprised at the number of people who didn't realise that a booking system would be in place.

stargazer 68 · 17-06-2020 10:09AM

Benimar wrote: »

Whilst 90 minutes is a bit shorter than I thought (i figured 2 hours) did people really think that, with restricted numbers, they could just rack up to the restaurant and ask for 'table for 6 please'

I'm really surprised at the number of people who didn't realise that a booking system would be in place.

It was 2 hours on Monday as I booked our local for 29th. Received a confirmation email that we would have to have a meal and could have the table for 2 hours. Waiting on the 'sorry now it's 90 minutes' email!

ixoy · 17-06-2020 10:11AM

Benimar wrote: »

Whilst 90 minutes is a bit shorter than I thought (i figured 2 hours) did people really think that, with restricted numbers, they could just rack up to the restaurant and ask for 'table for 6 please'

I'm really surprised at the number of people who didn't realise that a booking system would be in place.

If the restaurant is empty or quiet, they should have the flexibility to go, "Actually I've six tables but only four books for this evening so please come in as otherwise I'll have even less money. Thank you customer!"

paw patrol · 17-06-2020 10:13AM

The politicians and media seem to indicate that these measures are not temporary.

While I disagree with these measures i can accept them but there seems to be no discussion on when the restrictions will be ditched or the criteria required to ditch them.

from the herald.

The pub will become a place where families and close friends enjoy leisure time, especially around food. The days of meeting strangers and having the craic will be gone as drinkers get used to the new normal in bars and on their night lives.

It may spell the end of the traditional night out, certainly a new chapter.

an attitude i see continually in the media and government announcements which I find very troubling.

At present our only hope appears to be rebellion once the pubs/restaurants open.
No mention of late bars/nightclubs at all.

Benimar · 17-06-2020 10:13AM

ixoy wrote: »

If the restaurant is empty or quiet, they should have the flexibility to go, "Actually I've six tables but only four books for this evening so please come in as otherwise I'll have even less money. Thank you customer!"

Yes, if its quiet.

However, given the clear desperation (on here anyway!) to get a drink, there won't be many places with spare capacity.

stephenjmcd · 17-06-2020 10:13AM

Benimar wrote: »

Whilst 90 minutes is a bit shorter than I thought (i figured 2 hours) did people really think that, with restricted numbers, they could just rack up to the restaurant and ask for 'table for 6 please'

I'm really surprised at the number of people who didn't realise that a booking system would be in place.

I think everyone knew that 2hrs was the booking slot for 3 weeks until 20th July.

Pub near me is taking bookings for food but will have a set number of tables available for walk ins.

There's no issue with the 90 minute thing while they operate as restaurants but come 20th July it kind of becomes an issue then.

For what it's worth I think its fairly clear, you can go for a meal until 20th July but if you want just a few pints wait until the 20th

Benimar · 17-06-2020 10:16AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

I think everyone knew that 2hrs was the booking slot for 3 weeks until 20th July.

Pub near me is taking bookings for food but will have a set number of tables available for walk ins.

There's no issue with the 90 minute thing while they operate as restaurants but come 20th July it kind of becomes an issue then.

For what it's worth I think its fairly clear, you can go for a meal until 20th July but if you want just a few pints wait until the 20th

Agree 100%. Although I'm not sure that some on here see that yet.

stephenjmcd · 17-06-2020 10:19AM

Benimar wrote: »

Agree 100%. Although I'm not sure that some on here see that yet.

Potentially but its fairly black and white.

I've no issue with the 90 min piece while they operate as restaurants but if you want to go into a pub on the 20th or any time after and have a few pints to be told 90 mins later you've to leave, its sort of unworkable

hmmm · 17-06-2020 10:20AM

paw patrol wrote: »

While I disagree with these measures i can accept them but there seems to be no discussion on when the restrictions will be ditched or the criteria required to ditch them.

The reopening plan dropped a lot of stuff into Phase 5 which still had to be worked out - I'm sure the NPHET and the Government and industry are discussing things in the background - it's not useful to have most of these discussions in public when there are difficult tradeoffs to be made.

While we are in a pandemic and have no vaccine or good treatment, some social distancing will have to remain. The only question is how far can we take our foot off the brake before risking another outbreak.

castletownman · 17-06-2020 10:30AM

paw patrol wrote: »

The politicians and media seem to indicate that these measures are not temporary.

While I disagree with these measures i can accept them but there seems to be no discussion on when the restrictions will be ditched or the criteria required to ditch them.

from the herald.

an attitude i see continually in the media and government announcements which I find very troubling.

At present our only hope appears to be rebellion once the pubs/restaurants open.
No mention of late bars/nightclubs at all.

Continuing the latest trend of having everything "family friendly". Because every environment simply must have children running around in it because mommy can't leave the house without their bundle of joy.

paw patrol · 17-06-2020 10:32AM

hmmm wrote: »

The reopening plan dropped a lot of stuff into Phase 5 which still had to be worked out - I'm sure the NPHET and the Government and industry are discussing things in the background - it's not useful to have most of these discussions in public when there are difficult tradeoffs to be made.

While we are in a pandemic and have no vaccine or good treatment, some social distancing will have to remain. The only question is how far can we take our foot off the brake before risking another outbreak.

I get that but I'd wager it's easier to get people on board if you give thema goal (or even hope). I know they ballsed up on the R rate as a metric so maybe they learned there lesson but you do no favours keeping people in the dark

BTW your most reasonable post yet

although we still cant agree on a vaccine stance. At 900 active cases out of 5million (almost) - it's just too much under the current restrictions.

People (as in the population not the individual) just need to be exposed to it. hopefully the antibody testing will show exposure was widespread and ends all this.

stephenjmcd · 17-06-2020 10:39AM

paw patrol wrote: »

The politicians and media seem to indicate that these measures are not temporary.

While I disagree with these measures i can accept them but there seems to be no discussion on when the restrictions will be ditched or the criteria required to ditch them.

from the herald.

an attitude i see continually in the media and government announcements which I find very troubling.

At present our only hope appears to be rebellion once the pubs/restaurants open.
No mention of late bars/nightclubs at all.

Thats an opinion piece. There's been a few of them in the herald and independent which have been basically called a load of nonsense.

As soon as there's a vacinne or suitable treatment things will quite quickly go back to how they were

gipi · 17-06-2020 10:39AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Is it not better to be able to go to the local for 90 minutes than not go at all? Not saying I agree with it but it is a positive step

It's a positive step until everyone wants to get in for the last 90 minutes of the evening! We Irish are famed for "going out for the last hour"

ixoy · 17-06-2020 10:43AM

I'm guessing if it's set at 90 minutes to give people a bit of flexibility so, if it's a little longer - say 15 mins - then the publicans still got time to clean down the tables before the next booking.

Then the crowd may move on to another pub.. But is there anything to stop them coming back to the first pub after that for a second booking?

Jackman25 · 17-06-2020 10:45AM

paw patrol wrote: »

The pub will become a place where families and close friends enjoy leisure time, especially around food. The days of meeting strangers and having the craic will be gone as drinkers get used to the new normal in bars and on their night lives.
It may spell the end of the traditional night out, certainly a new chapter.

That stuff will go out the window within a few weeks of re-opening. Won't work in rural, local or sporting pubs/clubs where people all know each other.

Micky 32 · 17-06-2020 11:11AM

empacher wrote: »

Turn the weakness into strength my friend, it'll make for a great pub crawl. 4 pubs, 90, mins in each, 2 or 3 pints in each. Spreading the virus between a few locals.

Corrected that for you ;-)

facehugger99 · 17-06-2020 11:15AM

paw patrol wrote: »

At present our only hope appears to be rebellion once the pubs/restaurants open.
No mention of late bars/nightclubs at all.

I agree.

The current situation is a salutary lesson in how easy it is to trade away our democratic freedoms on the promise of 'safety' and just how hard it is to wrestle them back from Government.

I would imagine a large scale campaign of general disobedience from both the public and publicans will be required to try and put a stop the nonsense that's being pushed.

Ginger n Lemon · 17-06-2020 11:20AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

I think everyone knew that 2hrs was the booking slot for 3 weeks until 20th July.

Pub near me is taking bookings for food but will have a set number of tables available for walk ins.

There's no issue with the 90 minute thing while they operate as restaurants but come 20th July it kind of becomes an issue then.

For what it's worth I think its fairly clear, you can go for a meal until 20th July but if you want just a few pints wait until the 20th

I would usually agree - but that in bold is absolute rubbish given the low number of cases we have. To wait for another 6 weeks to go for like few pints without food? Idiotic beyond belief.

Sounds similar to Leo's spewing of "new normal" and "I hope cinemas can re open in August". This is bizarre

17-06-2020 11:33AM

facehugger99 wrote: »

I agree.

The current situation is a salutary lesson in how easy it is to trade away our democratic freedoms on the promise of 'safety' and just how hard it is to wrestle them back from Government.

I would imagine a large scale campaign of general disobedience from both the public and publicans will be required to try and put a stop the nonsense that's being pushed.

Well, I wont be joining, and I think is perfectly sensible as a first stage, while we wait and see if infections rise. I suspect that most of the population think likewise. I am looking forward to my dinner and pint within a controlled environment as the first step

All that disobedience will achieve is getting pubs closed down again, thereby ruining it for everyone.

17-06-2020 11:39AM

The Penney Hilll in Lucan is taking bookings for 6 max with a deposit of €50 taken from the bill. I assume that's €50 each. Their time limit is 3 hours.

That paragraph from the Herald is very much "No laughing. No chatting. No fun. Stay in your lane".

paw patrol · 17-06-2020 11:42AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Thats an opinion piece. There's been a few of them in the herald and independent which have been basically called a load of nonsense.

As soon as there's a vacinne or suitable treatment things will quite quickly go back to how they were

i recognize it's an opinion piece. I just provided an example of a recent piece but I haven't created my whole woe on 1 piece from the herald.

My point is that I've seen nothing else anywhere that ever states it will be back to previous routines - either from government or media

ZX7R · 17-06-2020 11:44AM

Some interesting even positive info coming out about none online retail data being released yesterday and today.
US economic data has caused quite a shock, economists expected a slight surge in retail in lieu of easing of restrictions the expected surge never materialized instead US and European Data has shown a steady and higher grouth in customer demand which is growing more with the current easing of restrictions.
The Chinese market is the exception.
The Data questions the news from federal and central banks of a slower recovery

nickkinneg · 17-06-2020 11:52AM

Beijing has gone back into lockdown ... that will make some people nervous regardless - last thing people want is for the damn thing to start over again

hmmm · 17-06-2020 12:06PM

nickkinneg wrote: »

Beijing has gone back into lockdown ... that will make some people nervous regardless - last thing people want is for the damn thing to start over again

I think the Chinese are taking the approach recommended by the WHO to act fast and assume that you're not seeing all the cases. By doing this they'd hope to contain the virus faster than if they had taken a more gradual approach.

You'd hope in Ireland we have a bit of an advantage because we would only have to impose restrictions on particular locations e.g. factories, towns. This shows how geographic restrictions can help - if you have an outbreak in a village in the West, it'd be bad news if one of the contacts had driven to Dublin while they were possibly incubating the virus.

Ginger n Lemon · 17-06-2020 12:12PM

hmmm wrote: »

I think the Chinese are taking the approach recommended by the WHO to act fast and assume that you're not seeing all the cases. By doing this they'd hope to contain the virus faster than if they had taken a more gradual approach.

You'd hope in Ireland we have a bit of an advantage because we would only have to impose restrictions on particular locations e.g. factories, towns. This shows how geographic restrictions can help - if you have an outbreak in a village in the West, it'd be bad news if one of the contacts had driven to Dublin while they were possibly incubating the virus.

I think there is a pattern there

On Monday, authorities announced 49 new cases, 36 of which were linked to the Xinfadi seafood supermarket in Beijing’s southern Fengtai district. The wholesale market was closed on Saturday after it was identified as being at the centre of a new cluster of cases.

Anyways Asian places shutting down cus of 49 new cases? nothing new. Remember that Haikkodu Japanese island shutting down? They had less than 100 new cases when they "re entered 2nd lockdown".

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/15/beijing-lockdown-tightens-as-new-coronavirus-outbreak-spreads

This kind of feels like a meat plant shut down cus of cluster of new cases. With British media labelling this as 2nd wave...

Desperate for news headlines really

nickkinneg · 17-06-2020 12:15PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

I think there is a pattern there

On Monday, authorities announced 49 new cases, 36 of which were linked to the Xinfadi seafood supermarket in Beijing’s southern Fengtai district. The wholesale market was closed on Saturday after it was identified as being at the centre of a new cluster of cases.

Anyways Asian places shutting down cus of 49 new cases? nothing new. Remember that Haikkodu Japanese island shutting down? They had less than 100 new cases when they "re entered 2nd lockdown".

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/15/beijing-lockdown-tightens-as-new-coronavirus-outbreak-spreads

This kind of feels like a meat plant shut down cus of cluster of new cases. With British media labelling this as 2nd wave...

Desperate for news headlines really

That’s if they are the true numbers - never know with China

KrustyUCC · 17-06-2020 12:17PM

Person from Bord Fáilte on RTE stating that pre booking is a condition of 2 metres down to 1

So no passing trade allowed but the pubs/restaurants could have empty space

Ginger n Lemon · 17-06-2020 12:17PM

nickkinneg wrote: »

That’s if they are the true numbers - never know with China

I agree. Rubbish numbers from China used by UK media to scare monger people and get some clicks, you have to be in a cuckoo land to believe below

"Beijing, which had previously gone 55 days in which the only new infections were citizens returning from other countries, has reported a total of 79 cases in the past four days. The first case in the new outbreak was discovered on Thursday after a 52-year old man surnamed Tang was confirmed to have the virus. On Friday, authorities reported another six cases – all of them, including Tang, linked to the Xinfadi market."

Also - whats up with naming and shaming? Only in China :rolleyes:

ZX7R · 17-06-2020 12:20PM

hmmm wrote: »

I think the Chinese are taking the approach recommended by the WHO to act fast and assume that you're not seeing all the cases. By doing this they'd hope to contain the virus faster than if they had taken a more gradual approach.

You'd hope in Ireland we have a bit of an advantage because we would only have to impose restrictions on particular locations e.g. factories, towns. This shows how geographic restrictions can help - if you have an outbreak in a village in the West, it'd be bad news if one of the contacts had driven to Dublin while they were possibly incubating the virus.

If you look at the restrictions they have imposed they are nearly all based on social activities or interactions, school , restaurants sports bars , community complexes ECT
All positive cases or suspected cases are removed and quarantined in selected holdings.
They didn't close any manufacturing building ect
They fear closing there economy more than the virus

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