Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings

Santy2015 · 17-06-2020 09:56AM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

No we are not. Does that there look like we are in a middle of a pandemic?

Ireland reports 93% drop in coronavirus patients in hospitals since pandemic peak

https://www.irishpost.com/news/ireland-93-drop-coronavirus-patients-186980

I am afraid this love affair with covid has to end.

And yet nothing on the news site’s like RTÉ or the journal until a few minutes ago

hmmm · 17-06-2020 09:57AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

From RTE, note the 90 minutes at the moment seems to relate to food service premises. Have the revised phases actually been released yet? As in what falls into each phase now ?

My understanding is that pubs are not allowed open in the next phase, but can if they are effectively acting as restaurants. That's why there is so much emphasis on food.

TaurenDroid illustrated it best showing the difference between a "pub" and a "pub serving food".

average_runner · 17-06-2020 09:59AM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Encourages pub crawls.

I say the idea of booking ahead is so you can fill out the contact tracing form.
We have to do it at the athletics club, simple form, simple questions, 2 min thing

hmmm · 17-06-2020 10:00AM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

No we are not. Does that there look like we are in a middle of a pandemic?
I am afraid this love affair with covid has to end.

We're still in the middle of the pandemic with a dangerous virus in circulation, but the sacrifices made by the community have meant we have the virus under control - no help from many on this thread. So, yes, we are in the middle of a pandemic and will be until we have a treatment or a vaccine.

is_that_so · 17-06-2020 10:01AM

Santy2015 wrote: »

And yet nothing on the news site’s like RTÉ or the journal until a few minutes ago

Eh, they've been reporting on the numbers every day, usually twice a day, HSE data and the DoH ones later.

17-06-2020 10:09AM

hmmm wrote: »

We're still in the middle of the pandemic with a dangerous virus in circulation, but the sacrifices made by the community have meant we have the virus under control - no help from many on this thread. So, yes, we are in the middle of a pandemic and will be until we have a treatment or a vaccine.

If we're going to be considered mid-pandemic until there's a vaccine god help us all

Restrictions will be gone long before a vaccine. Whether that's due to people being sick of them or the economy neccesitating it.

average_runner · 17-06-2020 10:11AM

AdamD wrote: »

If we're going to be considered mid-pandemic until there's a vaccine god help us all

Restrictions will be gone long before a vaccine. Whether that's due to people being sick of them or the economy neccesitating it.

Don't think anyone said that, but we can take everything step by step and hopefully it remains good as we move on.

I dont buy Spain's actions either, its just greedy.

Chicoso · 17-06-2020 10:14AM

The rules are all too complicated

It's a job to remember how many can meet up for how long and how far u can travel

Ginger n Lemon · 17-06-2020 10:16AM

AdamD wrote: »

If we're going to be considered mid-pandemic until there's a vaccine god help us all

Restrictions will be gone long before a vaccine. Whether that's due to people being sick of them or the economy neccesitating it.

Its a constant "we are in the middle of a pandemic" state of mind.

I have a bad feeling OP wont leave Ireland for many years now until a vaccine is found. Sad, sad life.

Santy2015 · 17-06-2020 10:17AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Eh, they've been reporting on the numbers every day, usually twice a day, HSE data and the DoH ones later.

They do eventually, the good news travels very slowly with RTÉ. Yet if anything negative comes out you get a notification on your phone, I think positive news like 60 people are in hospital down 93% on its peak is worth a push notification.

average_runner · 17-06-2020 10:18AM

Chicoso wrote: »

The rules are all too complicated

It's a job to remember how many can meet up for how long and how far u can travel

Well travel restrictions will be gone by the end of the month, so that is off the list.

If you can't follow a few simple rules, how do you survive in a world with thousands of rules

is_that_so · 17-06-2020 10:19AM

Chicoso wrote: »

The rules are all too complicated

It's a job to remember how many can meet up for how long and how far u can travel

From 28 June it gets a lot simpler! That's 8 working days!

average_runner · 17-06-2020 10:19AM

Santy2015 wrote: »

They do eventually, the good news travels very slowly with RTÉ. Yet if anything negative comes out you get a notification on your phone, I think positive news like 60 people are in hospital down 93% on its peak is worth a push notification.

I get a push everyday between 5-6.30, either good or bad

17-06-2020 10:20AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I work in a software company. Business has been absolutely booming in recent years. We supply software to the logistics and supply chain industry. Received the dreaded email last night that there is now a freeze on pay increases for the next year. Company is hoping not to have to cut staff or salaries but need to see how the situation is goes.

This is not a company that is struggling.

Huge recession is on the way. Only a fool would deny it at this point. Certainly starting to feel like 2008 again to me. And this is only the start.

Scary times ahead.

Businesses are managing cash flow until there is certainty

is_that_so · 17-06-2020 10:22AM

Santy2015 wrote: »

They do eventually, the good news travels very slowly with RTÉ. Yet if anything negative comes out you get a notification on your phone, I think positive news like 60 people are in hospital down 93% on its peak is worth a push notification.

I don't do notifications nor see the need for them! If you can do some basic maths in your head from their daily reporting you can see that fall anyway.

17-06-2020 10:23AM

So frustrated with this country! The economy is literally burning to the ground right in front of our eyes and what are we doing? Arguing over whether pubs can reopen... They can reopen if they serve a substantial meal that costs at least 9 euro, if the customer only stays for 90 mins and then everything will be magically better in 21 days?

Its such a load of rubbish. Might as well just force them to stay closed for the 3 weeks.

I don't think any other country in the world is as pedantic as ireland has been. 2KM, 5KM, 9 euro, 90 mins. If you're going to reopen the pubs, just reopen them. If not, force them to stay closed. But enough of this pedantic rubbish.

Santy2015 · 17-06-2020 10:23AM

average_runner wrote: »

I get a push everyday between 5-6.30, either good or bad

Not the point I’m getting at, at all. Simon Harris tweeted those figures early this morning. It would be good for that news to get out a lot faster. That’s all I’m saying.

stephenjmcd · 17-06-2020 10:23AM

hmmm wrote: »

My understanding is that pubs are not allowed open in the next phase, but can if they are effectively acting as restaurants. That's why there is so much emphasis on food.

TaurenDroid illustrated it best showing the difference between a "pub" and a "pub serving food".

Yeah no that's my understanding pubs acting as restaurants until the 20th. Just hadn't seen a document properly setting out what slotted in where.

I've no issue with the food piece etc for 3 weeks, if somewhere can act as a restaurant let them make a go of their business. Its the 90 minute thing that just seems silly if that's in plan come 20th July

is_that_so · 17-06-2020 10:26AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Yeah no that's my understanding pubs acting as restaurants until the 20th. Just hadn't seen a document properly setting out what slotted in where.

I've no issue with the food piece etc for 3 weeks, if somewhere can act as a restaurant let them make a go of their business. Its the 90 minute thing that just seems silly if that's in plan come 20th July

Well, some restaurants have that restriction in normal times anyway and they tell you when you book.

stephenjmcd · 17-06-2020 10:30AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Well, some restaurants have that restriction in normal times anyway and they tell you when you book.

Yeah its workable in restaurants as that's the format and will be in pubs for 3 weeks when they open as restaurants on the 28th.

Its not workable from 20th July where by the guidelines if its still one by then, that on a quite night in a pub after 90 minutes a barman would have to say sorry you've to leave now. That's just not going to happen really.

ZX7R · 17-06-2020 10:36AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

From RTE, note the 90 minutes at the moment seems to relate to food service premises. Have the revised phases actually been released yet? As in what falls into each phase now ?

"Government sources indicated they refer to a maximum length of stay of 90 minutes in a food service premises and the requirement for mandatory pre-booking by customers.

The hospitality trade had been lobbying hard for a reduction in the 2m rule, because providers say it will not be economically viable for them to reopen with a 2m rule in place.

But there is concern that a defined maximum length of stay and mandatory pre-booking for customers may prove to be impractical for many providers, particularly those dependent on walk-in clients."

I don't see the problem with the 90 min stay for food.
That is been implemented in many European countries also for indoor service
But along with pre booking there definitely needs to be a bit of leeway ,in Germany and Poland for example you can walk in if there is availability to be seated and served.

Chicoso · 17-06-2020 10:36AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Yeah its workable in restaurants as that's the format and will be in pubs for 3 weeks when they open as restaurants on the 28th.

Its not workable from 20th July where by the guidelines if its still one by then, that on a quite night in a pub after 90 minutes a barman would have to say sorry you've to leave now. That's just not going to happen really.

Once the doors open its game over

Varadkar and NPHET are only window dressing at this stage

empacher · 17-06-2020 10:39AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Yeah no that's my understanding pubs acting as restaurants until the 20th. Just hadn't seen a document properly setting out what slotted in where.

I've no issue with the food piece etc for 3 weeks, if somewhere can act as a restaurant let them make a go of their business. Its the 90 minute thing that just seems silly if that's in plan come 20th July

Turn the weakness into strength my friend, it'll make for a great pub crawl. 4 pubs, 90, mins in each, 2 or 3 pints in each. Spreading the wealth between a few locals.

stephenjmcd · 17-06-2020 10:41AM

empacher wrote: »

Turn the weakness into strength my friend, it'll make for a great pub crawl. 4 pubs, 90, mins in each, 2 or 3 pints in each. Spreading the wealth between a few locals.

I'd rather stay in 1 pub from say 9 or 10 to close than go to a few. Increases my close contacts in each bar by going for one to another

stephenjmcd · 17-06-2020 10:42AM

ZX7R wrote: »

I don't see the problem with the 90 min stay for food.
That is been implemented in many European countries also for indoor service
But along with pre booking there definitely needs to be a bit of leeway ,in Germany and Poland for example you can walk in if there is availability to be seated and served.

no issue with the 90 min stay for food at all. Its fully workable for the 3 weeks, its when pubs as we know a pub reopens come 20th July where it becomes unworkable

Chicoso · 17-06-2020 10:46AM

Takeaways have been killing it the last while

Varadkar can take his foot off the pedal with the affermative action

17-06-2020 10:48AM

Irish Aris wrote: »

Is that 90 minute guideline just a temporary measure?
Me and my best friend will usually go to the pub to watch Premier League matches, so minimum 2 hours and I reckon other sports would have a similar timeframe. . .

First half in one pub, 2nd half in another, 3 hours , 6 pints, happy days

facehugger99 · 17-06-2020 10:57AM

Chicoso wrote: »

The rules are all too complicated

It's a job to remember how many can meet up for how long and how far u can travel

Use your common sense.

The 'rules' are nonsensical, made up by a load of lifer bureaucrats clucking away at each other in an echo-chamber. They have no basis in science.

17-06-2020 11:00AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

no issue with the 90 min stay for food at all. Its fully workable for the 3 weeks, its when pubs as we know a pub reopens come 20th July where it becomes unworkable

Is it not better to be able to go to the local for 90 minutes than not go at all? Not saying I agree with it but it is a positive step

facehugger99 · 17-06-2020 11:01AM

Deleted User wrote: »

So frustrated with this country! The economy is literally burning to the ground right in front of our eyes and what are we doing? Arguing over whether pubs can reopen... They can reopen if they serve a substantial meal that costs at least 9 euro, if the customer only stays for 90 mins and then everything will be magically better in 21 days?

Its such a load of rubbish. Might as well just force them to stay closed for the 3 weeks.

I don't think any other country in the world is as pedantic as ireland has been. 2KM, 5KM, 9 euro, 90 mins. If you're going to reopen the pubs, just reopen them. If not, force them to stay closed. But enough of this pedantic rubbish.

Unfortunately a substantial proportion of the Irish electorate would like to be mammied by the Government from cradle to grave it would seem. Absolutely no appetite to engage their own critical faculties.

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings