Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings

TaurenDruid · 16-06-2020 11:43PM

RoryMac wrote: »

So paying €9 for a burger provides protection against Covid but if you only have a bag of crisps you catch it!

Good to know!

No.

It's the difference between this:

And this:

Now, you might be comfortable on the 29th June to be in the sort of crowd that's in the top pic for a couple of hours. I wouldn't be. I'd kill for the chance of a couple of hours with friends, 1m distanced, a few pints and a decent meal, like in the bottom photo.

16-06-2020 11:56PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

My partner applied online on Sunday to renew her passport. It came in the post today! That was quick.:eek:

and that’s with a 3 month backlog to get through first , yet certain people here think we do nothing :rolleyes::rolleyes:! Glad she got sorted .

Van.Bosch · 17-06-2020 12:15AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

and that’s with a 3 month backlog to get through first , yet certain people here think we do nothing :rolleyes::rolleyes:! Glad she got sorted .

Surely the backlog should be cleared first?

RoryMac · 17-06-2020 12:37AM

TaurenDruid wrote: »

No.

Now, you might be comfortable on the 29th June to be in the sort of crowd that's in the top pic for a couple of hours. I wouldn't be. I'd kill for the chance of a couple of hours with friends, 1m distanced, a few pints and a decent meal, like in the bottom photo.

Unenforceable rules like the €9 meal with a drink are completely pointless.

Just enforce a table service, no standing or sitting at the bar rule for the initial reopening without the nonsense of substantial meals.

Why are we the only country going down this nonsensical route?

And just for clarity I'm not too bothered about getting back into the pubs, same as yourself it'll be good to meet up with friends but I won't be rushing out on day one for pints

fleet_admiral · 17-06-2020 12:52AM

RoryMac wrote: »

Unenforceable rules like the €9 meal with a drink are completely pointless.

Just enforce a table service, no standing or sitting at the bar rule for the initial reopening without the nonsense of substantial meals.

Why are we the only country going down this nonsensical route?

And just for clarity I'm not too bothered about getting back into the pubs, same as yourself it'll be good to meet up with friends but I won't be rushing out on day one for pints

This nonsensical route is going to put a lot of pubs out of business. I heard tonight of a couple of pretty high profile bars that won't be opening again because of government refusal to budge on the 2m distancing. The owners have just said 'f*** it, its nonsense and too costly with all these measures'

Assetbacked · 17-06-2020 01:12AM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

And as I was a frequent pub goer, I don't think I'll be rushing to go back to a packed bar to pay €6 for a pint again.

I don't think I'll be rushing in to a half empty pub with no atmosphere for a €6 pint when I can relax at home with all the entertainment and lack of a need for social distancing with friends!

stephenjmcd · 17-06-2020 06:43AM

Independent reporting hospitality industry will be allowed to reduce from 2m to 1m if customers leave after 90 minutes. Who actually comes up with these unbelievably stupid suggestions. There'll be nobody after 90 minutes saying times up we better move 2m apart, not a chance pubs are going to be saying on you go mvoe your 2m apart to people after 90 minutes

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/two-metre-rule-ditched-for-pubs-if-customers-leave-after-90-minutes-39292293.html

MickeyLeari · 17-06-2020 06:57AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Independent reporting hospitality industry will be allowed to reduce from 2m to 1m if customers leave after 90 minutes. Who actually comes up with these unbelievably stupid suggestions. There'll be nobody after 90 minutes saying times up we better move 2m apart, not a chance pubs are going to be saying on you go mvoe your 2m apart to people after 90 minutes

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/two-metre-rule-ditched-for-pubs-if-customers-leave-after-90-minutes-39292293.html

It at least is a move in the right direction. I would rarely be in a pub for more than one beer and many are the same. You have people there quite long while other are in and gone in 45 mins.

stephenjmcd · 17-06-2020 06:58AM

MickeyLeari wrote: »

It at least is a move in the right direction. I would rarely be in a pub for more than one beer and many are the same. You have people there quite long while other are in and gone in 45 mins.

Granted its a move toward 1m but like many guidelines is unworkable. Like i say doubt you'll have many establishments following it as they'll space 1m between tables

I'm thinking more of your Friday or Saturday night where you might go in at say 9 or 10 and leave at last orders at 12.30.

Many would be somewhere for longer than 90 minutes. The in and out in 45 minutes would be a small number of customers in reality

MickeyLeari · 17-06-2020 07:13AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

I'm thinking more of your Friday or Saturday night where you might go in at say 9 or 10 and leave at last orders at 12.30.

Many would be somewhere for longer than 90 minutes. The in and out in 45 minutes would be a small number of customers in reality

Fair point on the longer stays but that is probably more the case in bigger suburban and rural pubs. In Dublin City it is far more fluid and also has its risks if there is someone ill moving from pub to pub.

The reality is pubs will be far less packed and unlikely to be heaving unless the public an is ignoring the guidelines. I think removing tables from pubs to create some distance, table service only and removing seats from the bar will go a long way even if there is only 1 metre between tables.

We have to realise we will have spikes in infections but if people stay at home when sick (and with vulnerable people), wash hands regularly and show common sense then the risks should be minimised.

stephenjmcd · 17-06-2020 07:18AM

MickeyLeari wrote: »

Fair point on the longer stays but that is probably more the case in bigger suburban and rural pubs. In Dublin City it is far more fluid and also has its risks if there is someone ill moving from pub to pub.

The reality is pubs will be far less packed and unlikely to be heaving unless the public an is ignoring the guidelines. I think removing tables from pubs to create some distance, table service only and removing seats from the bar will go a long way even if there is only 1 metre between tables.

We have to realise we will have spikes in infections but if people stay at home when sick (and with vulnerable people), wash hands regularly and show common sense then the risks should be minimised.

Yup I agree on your last point there. Previously if someone had a headcold they'd still be out or in work that can't happen now. Stay at home until it goes

ixoy · 17-06-2020 08:41AM

TaurenDruid wrote: »

Now, you might be comfortable on the 29th June to be in the sort of crowd that's in the top pic for a couple of hours. I wouldn't be. I'd kill for the chance of a couple of hours with friends, 1m distanced, a few pints and a decent meal, like in the bottom photo.

Maybe it's my age, but that's the sort of pub situation I much prefer now and that we didn't do so well in Ireland.
I wonder what size groupings they'll allow at a table? Obviously, many friends won't be sitting 1m apart from each other and will be at the same table and nobody's going to check that.

17-06-2020 08:46AM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Why do posters keep posting this "if" rubbish?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

There is no bloody "if 55% recovered" its fact.

:rolleyes:

So you went off and posted all of your 100k new cases per day mathematics? Does anyone actually check the figures anymore or people blindly drool over RTE reporting "7 million cases" "8 million confirmed cases"?

Feck me, you'd argue with your shadow - I was saying the 55% is inaccurate as not all recoveries are reported and the true number of recoveries is likely to be far higher, and that's why it is not reported - that figure makes things seem worse not better.

17-06-2020 08:53AM

Goldengirl wrote: »

A commonly used drug like Dexamethasone does not need trialling for patient safety so hopefully they would have put as many as needed on it if they were getting good results .

Not ethical otherwise in a crisis like they have with so many people dying there .
I presume this is just a look back study, or I hope it is .

I find it strange that it has taken 5 months to realise that a corticosterioid,commonly used in the treatment of Asthma and COPD, may be a suitable treatment for Covid. You would think this would have bee one of the first treatments tried.

17-06-2020 09:04AM

MickeyLeari wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0616/1147785-central-bank-stability-report/

Central Bank warns of unprecedented economic shock due to Covid-19

By Robert Shortt
Economics Correspondent

The Central Bank has warned that the scale of the economic shock due to Covid-19 is "unprecedented" and will create pressure on the financial position of both borrowers and banks.

Central Bank Governor Gabriel Makhlouf said governments are facing "fantastic levels of uncertainty" over the future and warned that while the financial system is resilient, that resilience is not infinite.

He was speaking after the publication of the Central Bank's Financial Stability Review today.

In its Financial Stability Review, the Central Bank estimated that 80% of businesses covering almost 70% of all employment are affected either directly or indirectly by the containment measures through loss of sales, disruption in supply chains and physical distancing.

The Central Bank pointed out that half of small and medium sized businesses hold less than 5% of their annual sales in cash reserves.

Even when it comes to big companies, the Central Bank estimates that half of firms hold less than 8% of annual turnover in cash.

It warned the longer containment measures last, the greater the risk more companies will become insolvent.

It also warned that relying too much on debt might hamper a company's ability to survive by using debt to finance "pandemic-related losses".

The Central Bank said that while multinationals based here have been more resilient, they are not immune from developments in the global economy.

Describing global financial market conditions as "fragile", the Central Bank noted that Irish banks are in a much better position now than they were during the financial crisis.

The same goes for households. Tighter lending rules have lowered levels of indebtedness and exposure to falls in house prices, the bank said.

Today's report also included the results of a survey of property market professionals carried out in April.

It predicted a 5% fall in house prices this year and an expectation that national house prices will be just 2% higher in March 2023 than they were at the end of March this year.

As of 29 May, a total of 74,900 mortgage payment breaks were in place across the banking sector representing 11% of the mortgage market.

The Central Bank warns that some of the payment breaks "may ultimately require further restructuring or resolution".

It also warned that banks will face further pressure because less money is being borrowed and interest rates are lower, squeezing their profit margins.

Given the record of the central bank in these areas, that gives me great confidence things will recover quicker than expected, but a huge fear that the central bank don't have the imagination to see how they could support that happening

17-06-2020 09:08AM

I work in a software company. Business has been absolutely booming in recent years. We supply software to the logistics and supply chain industry. Received the dreaded email last night that there is now a freeze on pay increases for the next year. Company is hoping not to have to cut staff or salaries but need to see how the situation is goes.

This is not a company that is struggling.

Huge recession is on the way. Only a fool would deny it at this point. Certainly starting to feel like 2008 again to me. And this is only the start.

Scary times ahead.

Stark · 17-06-2020 09:11AM

We already received a 10% pay cut and removal of employer pension contribution. Software business that was doing well.

TaurenDruid · 17-06-2020 09:11AM

ixoy wrote: »

Maybe it's my age, but that's the sort of pub situation I much prefer now and that we didn't do so well in Ireland.
I wonder what size groupings they'll allow at a table? Obviously, many friends won't be sitting 1m apart from each other and will be at the same table and nobody's going to check that.

Not a fan of the crowded standing room only places - I like to chat comfortably over a few beers with my friends, without having to shout, or us all just standing there, looking at each other, drinking too fast cos we can't hear each other. Not fun at all.

On the distancing, I'm going to the pub to meet my mates, who'll have been in my house, and I'll have been in theirs, and/or I'll be with members of my family. No point in us being made sit further apart in the pub than we will be later on in the evening...

Just an ordinary table with ordinary seating, as normal, would be grand. And a metre or 1.5m to the next table. Ninety minutes time limits and "substantial meals" is unenforceable and ridiculous. "Ah, no, sorry, I'm allergic to everything there..."

Drumpot · 17-06-2020 09:18AM

Interesting to see New Zealand and Australia take such strict restrictions on international travel. This time next year will tell a lot regarding the whole “travelling on planes to different countries is grand” Approach.

stephenjmcd · 17-06-2020 09:19AM

TaurenDruid wrote: »

Not a fan of the crowded standing room only places - I like to chat comfortably over a few beers with my friends, without having to shout, or us all just standing there, looking at each other, drinking too fast cos we can't hear each other. Not fun at all.

On the distancing, I'm going to the pub to meet my mates, who'll have been in my house, and I'll have been in theirs, and/or I'll be with members of my family. No point in us being made sit further apart in the pub than we will be later on in the evening...

Just an ordinary table with ordinary seating, as normal, would be grand. And a metre or 1.5m to the next table. Ninety minutes time limits and "substantial meals" is unenforceable and ridiculous. "Ah, no, sorry, I'm allergic to everything there..."

The 90 minute stuff is laughable. All well and good for the 3 weeks giving 2hr time slots for food thats grand.

But 1m for 90 minutes and then to be told right lads 2m or off to another pub for 1m at another 90 mins. It's laughable.

The tables will be 1m apart, in a quiet pub on a Friday night end of July they aren't going to say see you later after 90 mins

is_that_so · 17-06-2020 09:22AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

The 90 minute stuff is laughable. All well and good for the 3 weeks giving 2hr time slots for food thats grand.

But 1m for 90 minutes and then to be told right lads 2m or off to another pub for 1m at another 90 mins. It's laughable.

The tables will be 1m apart, in a quiet pub on a Friday night end of July they aren't going to say see you later after 90 mins

You'll have to book ahead so they'll know when you came in. It's an initial proposal and we know how quickly things can move during these strange times.

Ginger n Lemon · 17-06-2020 09:25AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

The 90 minute stuff is laughable. All well and good for the 3 weeks giving 2hr time slots for food thats grand.

But 1m for 90 minutes and then to be told right lads 2m or off to another pub for 1m at another 90 mins. It's laughable.

The tables will be 1m apart, in a quiet pub on a Friday night end of July they aren't going to say see you later after 90 mins

Encourages pub crawls.

hmmm · 17-06-2020 09:25AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

The 90 minute stuff is laughable.

It's a health decision to reduce the potential length of exposure to someone with Covid. If I was part of the industry I'd be asking the government whether this limit could be increased for outdoor seating.

There are tradeoffs between people socialising, public health and the needs of businesses while we are in the middle of a pandemic. Continuously saying "this is ridiculous!!!" isn't particularly helpful, we wouldn't be doing it unless it was required.

Ginger n Lemon · 17-06-2020 09:33AM

hmmm wrote: »

It's a health decision to reduce the potential length of exposure to someone with Covid. If I was part of the industry I'd be asking the government whether this limit could be increased for outdoor seating.

There are tradeoffs between people socialising, public health and the needs of businesses while we are in the middle of a pandemic. Continuously saying "this is ridiculous!!!" isn't particularly helpful, we wouldn't be doing it unless it was required.

No we are not. Does that there look like we are in a middle of a pandemic?

Ireland reports 93% drop in coronavirus patients in hospitals since pandemic peak

https://www.irishpost.com/news/ireland-93-drop-coronavirus-patients-186980

I am afraid this love affair with covid has to end.

Irish Aris · 17-06-2020 09:35AM

Is that 90 minute guideline just a temporary measure?
Me and my best friend will usually go to the pub to watch Premier League matches, so minimum 2 hours and I reckon other sports would have a similar timeframe. . .

stephenjmcd · 17-06-2020 09:37AM

is_that_so wrote: »

You'll have to book ahead so they'll know when you came in. It's an initial proposal and we know how quickly things can move during these strange times.

Accept its an initial proposal but theres no a chance that a publican will tell a local on a quiet Sunday night for example your 90 minutes are up

manniot2 · 17-06-2020 09:41AM

So most other countries can open their hospitality sector will minimal fuss but we have to be treated like children and given strict rules. Says alot about what the elites in this country think of us plebs. I guess they know we are sheep, and will just get on with it.

is_that_so · 17-06-2020 09:47AM

manniot2 wrote: »

So most other countries can open their hospitality sector will minimal fuss but we have to be treated like children and given strict rules. Says alot about what the elites in this country think of us plebs. I guess they know we are sheep, and will just get on with it.

Some of us would just call it caution and understand it's the proposal at present.

hmmm · 17-06-2020 09:47AM

manniot2 wrote: »

So most other countries can open their hospitality sector will minimal fuss but we have to be treated like children and given strict rules. Says alot about what the elites in this country think of us plebs. I guess they know we are sheep, and will just get on with it.

Who are these other countries which have opened their hospitality sector with "minimal fuss"? Good job on getting "elites", "sheep" and "plebs" into a two line post btw!

stephenjmcd · 17-06-2020 09:54AM

From RTE, note the 90 minutes at the moment seems to relate to food service premises. Have the revised phases actually been released yet? As in what falls into each phase now ?

"Government sources indicated they refer to a maximum length of stay of 90 minutes in a food service premises and the requirement for mandatory pre-booking by customers.

The hospitality trade had been lobbying hard for a reduction in the 2m rule, because providers say it will not be economically viable for them to reopen with a 2m rule in place.

But there is concern that a defined maximum length of stay and mandatory pre-booking for customers may prove to be impractical for many providers, particularly those dependent on walk-in clients."

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings