How will schools be able to go back in September?

marilynrr · 16-06-2020 01:55AM

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Dublingirl80 wrote: »

But at the end of the day, if teachers and snas are asked to unsafe conditions which is different to every other job, they will object and they will not work in those conditions.

Haven't vulnerable people always been at risk to some extent though? Those with diabetes or the immunocompromised could die from the flu for example.

Dublingirl80 · 16-06-2020 02:04AM

marilynrr wrote: »

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Haven't vulnerable people always been at risk to some extent though? Those with diabetes or the immunocompromised could die from the flu for example.

This disease is much worse, hence the condoning advisory and then even still they are at higher risk. The flu etc was maybe always a small risk but nothing like as bad as this.

marilynrr · 16-06-2020 03:25AM

Dublingirl80 wrote: »

This disease is much worse, hence the condoning advisory and then even still they are at higher risk. The flu etc was maybe always a small risk but nothing like as bad as this.

Some doctors are suggesting that it's weaker now than it was at the start!

kowloonkev · 16-06-2020 04:53AM

firemansam4 wrote: »

Personally I think it's time to reduce guidelines to 1 meter anyway, I think the rate in the community is low enough now. For many other businesses it is essential to them.

I think Ireland is the most obsessed and pedantic country in the world when it comes to social distancing and the two meter recommendation - all brought about by the 'anything but wear a mask' attitude.

A fear of litigation and pure laziness are the only explanations I can think of for why there is such a lack of common sense.

double jobbing · 16-06-2020 11:58AM

Yosef Stocky Backspace wrote: »

Well, it looks like Simon Harris for Education. Worst case scenario I think.

How that absolute moron is even allowed remain a TD after his "pubs won't re open until a vaccine is found" comment in April is beyond me.

munsterlegend · 16-06-2020 12:06PM

double jobbing wrote: »

How that absolute moron is even allowed remain a TD after his "pubs won't re open until a vaccine is found" comment in April is beyond me.

I can imagine Simon’s speeches now. ‘What we really need is for teachers and students to come together’ and you have defeated this virus’.

jrosen · 16-06-2020 12:32PM

Simon cant be any worse than those before him.

The whole system needs an overhaul. There is little trust between schools, teachers, departments and parents. It always feels to me like we are on opposing sides which it shouldn't.

He might have better insight seeing as he has been the minister for health though this pandemic. One can hope.

I just want my kids back to school, I want them learning in the environment they should be, with their friends and teachers.

wirelessdude01 · 16-06-2020 01:12PM

Simon is great for using twitter for the auld soundbites. I'd imagine that we'll all have to be on it to get the Friday evening circulars from now on. Having said that he does seem partial to Sunday morning tweets to maybe they will be moved to then!!

Either way he is very much a yes man to the likes of Paschal so I won't hold my breath for him arguing to increase funding to our schools.

LuasSimon · 16-06-2020 02:39PM

How come all other countries have their children going back to school and Irish teachers dont want to go back in September......they will do anything to get out of going to work destroying the lifes of so many young people ....selfish teachers as usual

chocoholic999 · 16-06-2020 02:44PM

LuasSimon wrote: »

How come all other countries have their children going back to school and Irish teachers dont want to go back in September......they will do anything to get out of going to work destroying the lifes of so many young people ....selfish teachers as usual

Teachers will be back in September, there has never been a suggestion by anyone that they won’t

downthemiddle · 16-06-2020 02:44PM

LuasSimon wrote: »

How come all other countries have their children going back to school and Irish teachers dont want to go back in September......they will do anything to get out of going to work destroying the lifes of so many young people ....selfish teachers as usual

This is going to end well.

wirelessdude01 · 16-06-2020 02:49PM

LuasSimon wrote: »

How come all other countries have their children going back to school and Irish teachers dont want to go back in September......they will do anything to get out of going to work destroying the lifes of so many young people ....selfish teachers as usual

Source for this rubbish?

khalessi · 16-06-2020 03:05PM

LuasSimon wrote: »

How come all other countries have their children going back to school and Irish teachers dont want to go back in September......they will do anything to get out of going to work destroying the lifes of so many young people ....selfish teachers as usual

Dear Simon, stop with the teacher bashing. Tell us the cause of your ire or are you just a one trick pony?

Children in other countries are back under multiple restrictions. But I think you know that. No schools are back properly.

iamwhoiam · 16-06-2020 04:24PM

Sorry I cant post a link , picture and article on RTE Facebook page

Students sit in a classroom at the Petri primary school in Dortmund, Germany, this morning. From today, all children of primary school age in the western federal state of North Rhine-Westphalia will once again be attending regular daily classes until the summer holidays. Social distancing rules and compulsory mouthguards are no longer applicable. Image: Ina Fassbender, AFP via Getty Images

( By mouthguards I think they mean masks )

Sammy2012 · 16-06-2020 04:54PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Sorry I cant post a link , picture and article on RTE Facebook page

Students sit in a classroom at the Petri primary school in Dortmund, Germany, this morning. From today, all children of primary school age in the western federal state of North Rhine-Westphalia will once again be attending regular daily classes until the summer holidays. Social distancing rules and compulsory mouthguards are no longer applicable. Image: Ina Fassbender, AFP via Getty Images

( By mouthguards I think they mean masks )

That's excellent news! Bodes well for a normal return come sept!

Tokyo · 16-06-2020 05:15PM

Mod: @LuasSimon - don't post in the thread again.

wirelessdude01 · 16-06-2020 05:15PM

Meanwhile in Beijing, all schools both primary and secondary are shut again from tomorrow. No travel allowed out of the city without a negative test. People to work from home. Very ruthless and fast.

hmmm · 16-06-2020 05:39PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Students sit in a classroom at the Petri primary school in Dortmund, Germany, this morning.

A school called "Petri"? Well done that journalist.

iamwhoiam · 16-06-2020 05:43PM

hmmm wrote: »

A school called "Petri"? Well done that journalist.

I know !! Called aftet St Petri I believe

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sights
St. Petri
Hamburg's oldest church also has the city's highest accessible viewing platform. At 123 metres, you'll be treated to a panoramic view.

firemansam4 · 16-06-2020 06:08PM

Just an idea....

But if we did get down to 1 meter distancing guidelines, would it be plausible to start Saturday schooling? So you would then maybe have children in 3 days a week in 2 separate groups?

I think any extra time we may be able to squeeze the better.

wirelessdude01 · 16-06-2020 06:25PM

firemansam4 wrote: »

Just an idea....

But if we did get down to 1 meter distancing guidelines, would it be plausible to start Saturday schooling? So you would then maybe have children in 3 days a week in 2 separate groups?

I think any extra time we may be able to squeeze the better.

How would you propose that works with staffing?

I know myself that by the time Friday comes around I am hanging for the break both mentally and physically.

firemansam4 · 16-06-2020 06:57PM

wirelessdude01 wrote:

How would you propose that works with staffing?

I know myself that by the time Friday comes around I am hanging for the break both mentally and physically.

Well look this isnt perfect, but we need to come up with ideas outside the box.
I have worked 6 day weeks most my life and believe me draining work that's not easy.

It would only be a temporary measure until time allows things to get back to normal.

Obviously teachers would need to be compensated with overtime pay if it were to pass. The question would be if the department would be willing to fund it I guess.

BonsaiKitten · 16-06-2020 07:18PM

firemansam4 wrote: »

Well look this isnt perfect, but we need to come up with ideas outside the box.
I have worked 6 day weeks most my life and believe me draining work that's not easy.

It would only be a temporary measure until time allows things to get back to normal.

Obviously teachers would need to be compensated with overtime pay if it were to pass. The question would be if the department would be willing to fund it I guess.

I would very surprised if they fund hand sanitiser when schools return in all honesty, never mind extra teaching. The Dept of Ed are not known for their generosity.

Personally I cannot see Sunday school going ahead and many teachers (including me) would refuse it. I think return en masse is more feasible.

combat14 · 16-06-2020 07:39PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Meanwhile in Beijing, all schools both primary and secondary are shut again from tomorrow. No travel allowed out of the city without a negative test. People to work from home. Very ruthless and fast.

fast maybe .. not sure if ruthless ..
if everyone in city of 21 million gets covid 19 there would be a lot of dead people to deal with..

cazzer22 · 16-06-2020 07:44PM

LuasSimon wrote: »

If Irish teachers have their way we will be the only country in Europe if not the world not reopening schools in September, August in many cases .

Irish teachers would do anything to get out of going to work , when people clapped in the evenings for front line workers they most certainly weren’t clapping for the lazy selfish teachers at home sunning themselves .

You seem lovely!

khalessi · 16-06-2020 08:14PM

firemansam4 wrote: »

Well look this isnt perfect, but we need to come up with ideas outside the box.
I have worked 6 day weeks most my life and believe me draining work that's not easy.

It would only be a temporary measure until time allows things to get back to normal.

Obviously teachers would need to be compensated with overtime pay if it were to pass. The question would be if the department would be willing to fund it I guess.

How would this work for the kids who do Sunday or Saturday school?
Quite a number of my kids attend Polish or Lithuanian school at weekends and another group learn Arabic on the weekends.

Like yourself I have had jobs where I have worked 7 nights a week for months, even though I wasnt legally supposed to and you just get into a rhythm but it would be very draining and also would leave little time for family life for teachers. As a single parent I would find this difficult as I would have nowhere for my own children to be minded.

jrosen · 16-06-2020 08:30PM

Not a chance id have my kids go to school on Saturdays or Sundays.

Sports are back as of June 15th with groups of 15 including the coach. You will be able to have your waxing etc done in closed rooms and close contact within the next few weeks. I would imagine by September it will be business as usual unless we see a spike in cases.

The government should know at this stage that if they expect teachers to work in environments that other industries dont have too teachers will refuse and most likely strike. That will result in thousands of workers, mainly women not being able to return to work.

sideswipe · 16-06-2020 09:17PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Meanwhile in Beijing, all schools both primary and secondary are shut again from tomorrow. No travel allowed out of the city without a negative test. People to work from home. Very ruthless and fast.

It's worth pointing out their regional approach. This will need to happen in Ireland too- spike in cases or outbreaks needs to be treated by area rather than the whole country. There are areas in Ireland that have had no cases in a weeks and yet schools are still closed. An outbreak in one area should not lead to schools closing again across the whole country next term.

alentejo · 16-06-2020 10:13PM

Prime Time tonight General Secretary of INTO John Carr positive on full reopening of primary schools in Sept!

marilynrr · 17-06-2020 04:04AM

firemansam4 wrote: »

Just an idea....

But if we did get down to 1 meter distancing guidelines, would it be plausible to start Saturday schooling? So you would then maybe have children in 3 days a week in 2 separate groups?

firemansam4 wrote: »

It would only be a temporary measure until time allows things to get back to normal.

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What do you mean by get back to normal though? What's the figure or the bottom line?

For all we know there's never going to be a vaccine and we don't know if people who have got it will have lasting immunity, this could become seasonal and come back every year.

There hasn't been a new case in Kerry for a month, obviously it makes no sense to open the schools now but lets say it was end of September and Kerry had had a month without a new case....why wouldn't it be acceptable for kids in that county to go to school full time to receive their proper education? what is the period of time they would have to wait?

How will schools be able to go back in September?

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