Madeleine McCann

SusieBlue · 13-06-2020 4:15pm

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

callmehal wrote: »

:pac: Both are the same! Partying is the verb. This is hilarious. Basic English here Susie.

Partying till dawn and socialising over dinner are the same thing to you? Ok. Don’t assume to speak for everyone else though. Because most people wouldn’t perceive them to be the same thing at all :pac:

weldoninhio · 13-06-2020 6:38pm

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cnocbui wrote: »

A lack of bias; especially financial interest.

Surely making the dog react to nothing, would lead to a lack of financing and reputational damage if Maddie was found somewhere else dead or a suspect admitted to taking her??

cgcsb · 14-06-2020 12:40am

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callmehal wrote: »

Are you talking about the McCanns? :pac:

It's also strange that from the beginning the McCanns have only talked about someone having taken Madeleine. From the very start. They never even considered Madeleine might have went looking for them. Especially since they told them that morning that she was crying the night before. Why did they never consider this?

This leads me to believe that they gave her sleeping tablets or something. That's the easiest explanation for them knowing she couldn't have walked out herself, the twins being out cold and that nobody heard Madeline cry for help while supposedly being abducted.

Rock77 · 14-06-2020 1:17pm

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

cgcsb wrote: »

This leads me to believe that they gave her sleeping tablets or something. That's the easiest explanation for them knowing she couldn't have walked out herself, the twins being out cold and that nobody heard Madeline cry for help while supposedly being abducted.

Or like the mother said, she knew the child couldn’t open the patio door because it was too heavy.

SusieBlue · 14-06-2020 2:00pm

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

cgcsb wrote: »

This leads me to believe that they gave her sleeping tablets or something. That's the easiest explanation for them knowing she couldn't have walked out herself, the twins being out cold and that nobody heard Madeline cry for help while supposedly being abducted.

Except there was no evidence of them giving her sleeping tablets whatsoever.

limnam · 14-06-2020 2:07pm

SusieBlue wrote: »

Except there was no evidence of them giving her sleeping tablets whatsoever.

Hard to test Madeleine for it though......

FishOnABike · 14-06-2020 10:31pm

cgcsb wrote: »

Statistically it's more likely persons who knew the child, even if it was a pedo. The police should have investigated that possibility immediately.

Statistics only apply to a population. They should not be applied to an individual case.

Investigating a criminal case should be evidence led. Making assumptions and focusing in on one possibility without supporting evidence, based on nothing but statistics can result in overlooking or failing to look for evidence which could help solve a case.

cgcsb · 14-06-2020 11:24pm

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SusieBlue wrote: »

Except there was no evidence of them giving her sleeping tablets whatsoever.

There's no evidence of anything at all in this case only suspicious events but given all the circumstances, I think that's the easiest explanation that fits.

cgcsb · 14-06-2020 11:28pm

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FishOnABike wrote: »

Statistics only apply to a population. They should not be applied to an individual case.

Investigating a criminal case should be evidence led. Making assumptions and focusing in on one possibility without supporting evidence, based on nothing but statistics can result in overlooking or failing to look for evidence which could help solve a case.

That's not how it works though. The police have to explore all scenarios early on and eliminate the least likely ones. There is no physical evidence in this case so all lines of enquiry have to be pursued. If you waited to get clues the investigation would not yet have started.

retro:electro · 14-06-2020 11:32pm

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

cgcsb wrote: »

That's not how it works though. The police have to explore all scenarios early on and eliminate the least likely ones. There is no physical evidence in this case so all lines of enquiry have to be pursued. If you waited to get clues the investigation would not yet have started.

Pursued by who, you? Those lines of enquiry were pursed about 13 years ago and the parents were never charged so you can retire your monocle now.

SusieBlue · 14-06-2020 11:52pm

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

cgcsb wrote: »

There's no evidence of anything at all in this case only suspicious events but given all the circumstances, I think that's the easiest explanation that fits.

If the fact that there is no evidence of anything is the qualifying standard for forming a baseless theory and making assumptions, then in my opinion Madeleine was abducted by aliens.
There is no evidence that she wasn’t, therefore we can’t rule it out as a possibility.

cgcsb · 15-06-2020 8:16am

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retro:electro wrote: »

Pursued by who, you? Those lines of enquiry were pursed about 13 years ago and the parents were never charged so you can retire your monocle now.

Nothing was pursued sufficiently 13 years ago

Rock77 · 15-06-2020 9:36am

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

cgcsb wrote: »
Nothing was pursued sufficiently 13 years ago

So this German guy that was cleared years ago shouldn’t be totally discounted straight away then?

punchdrunk · 15-06-2020 10:22am

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Rock77 wrote: »

So this German guy that was cleared years ago shouldn’t be totally discounted straight away then?

very mixed reports coming out (or being fabricated by the gutter press)

indications are now that the PJ had no idea who he was, didn't know of his criminal history and never really looked at him seriously, hard to know!

cgcsb · 15-06-2020 11:32am

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Rock77 wrote: »

So this German guy that was cleared years ago shouldn’t be totally discounted straight away then?

Of course not. He should be questioned thoroughly.

FishOnABike · 15-06-2020 12:04pm

cgcsb wrote: »

That's not how it works though. The police have to explore all scenarios early on and eliminate the least likely ones. There is no physical evidence in this case so all lines of enquiry have to be pursued. If you waited to get clues the investigation would not yet have started.

That's the whole point. The police have to explore all scenarios early on. Zooming in on what they think might be more likely without supporting evidence is liable to having them look in the wrong places and fail to find evidence which they might otherwise have found if they had approached an investigation objectively. Follow evidence not preconceived notions.

15-06-2020 12:26pm

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Hi All

Unfortunately I haven't been able to keep up with this as much as I'd like lately and the gutter press makes things more difficult. What are the actual facts here? How did the German police come across this evidence that they have?

Am I right in saying that the UK police were not involved in this and had never identified this man?

This is one of the highest profile missing person cases in the world... How can a criminal/pedophile have been living there all those years and gone to prison, and nobody seems to have been aware of him?

cgcsb · 15-06-2020 12:39pm

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Deleted User wrote: »

Hi All

Unfortunately I haven't been able to keep up with this as much as I'd like lately and the gutter press makes things more difficult. What are the actual facts here? How did the German police come across this evidence that they have?

Am I right in saying that the UK police were not involved in this and had never identified this man?

This is one of the highest profile missing person cases in the world... How can a criminal/pedophile have been living there all those years and gone to prison, and nobody seems to have been aware of him?

He was looked at and dismissed from the investigation before apparently. There is no new evidence except that in 2017 he drunkenly boasted that he 'knew all about Madeline'

Rock77 · 15-06-2020 12:44pm

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

cgcsb wrote: »

He was looked at and dismissed from the investigation before apparently. There is no new evidence except that in 2017 he drunkenly boasted that he 'knew all about Madeline'

Apparently there is new evidence that is not being made public as of yet

callmehal · 15-06-2020 11:47pm

Accident happened, parents hid body

Hopefully, we see some evidence on this peado. Up to now, we have got rumour. Seems very strange to be writing letters about it and making it public.

cgcsb · 15-06-2020 11:59pm

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Read on sky news that the Germans police have been at the drugs in the evidence locker. They've written to the McCanns to say Madeline is dead, and they know because they 'have no evidence she's alive'. It's like they went to Portugal to do a course on irresponsible policing.

callmehal · 16-06-2020 12:01am

Accident happened, parents hid body

cgcsb wrote: »

Read on sky news that the Germans police have been at the drugs in the evidence locker. They've written to the McCanns to say Madeline is dead, and they know because they 'have no evidence she's alive'. It's like they went to Portugal to do a course on irresponsible policing.

It's quite strange. What tactics are they using here? If they have evidence, they should be making a charge, if not, why go public with this?

SusieBlue · 16-06-2020 12:05am

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Or perhaps there is evidence that hasn’t yet been released to the public domain. There’s always that.
I highly doubt they would write to her parents telling them she had been murdered unless they had pretty solid evidence to suggest it was true.

cnocbui · 16-06-2020 12:08am

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

The German police claim to have evidence which the can't yet share.

They had better have something substantial to be going off writing a letter like that, or they are going to look more than just inept and callous.

Kate and Gerry McCann could be given key information about how Madeleine died 'within days' as their Portuguese lawyer is set to meet with senior police.

German detectives say they have one piece of evidence that proves Madeleine died after she vanished from the Portuguese holiday resort of Praia da Luz in 2007.

Police have not told the McCanns why they dubbed the investigation a murder hunt rather than a missing person inquiry, but have shared the evidence with Portuguese police who said it was 'significant' and 'very important'.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8423187/Kate-Gerry-McCann-told-days-Madeleine-died.html

cgcsb · 16-06-2020 12:15am

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They really need to be close to spilling the beans after writing the parents saying they know she's dead but can't say why. That's a seriously dick move.

dark crystal · 16-06-2020 12:28am

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

cgcsb wrote: »

They really need to be close to spilling the beans after writing the parents saying they know she's dead but can't say why. That's a seriously dick move.

There's evidentiary and judicial processes that need to be followed in cases like these. It's not a case of just 'spilling the beans'.

Not like, say, a disgraced ex-cop writing a book accusing a grieving couple of having disposed of their child like unwanted rubbish without a shred of proof - what a dick move that was.

cgcsb · 16-06-2020 8:31am

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dark crystal wrote: »

There's evidentiary and judicial processes that need to be followed in cases like these. It's not a case of just 'spilling the beans'.

So then why write the parents to give them a 'hint'?

dubstarr · 16-06-2020 8:34am

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

cgcsb wrote: »

So then why write the parents to give them a 'hint'?

Maybe so the parents dont open the Fail and see it.

Its prfessional courtesy,i would have thought.

cgcsb · 16-06-2020 8:39am

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dubstarr wrote: »

Maybe so the parents dont open the Fail and see it.

Its prfessional courtesy,i would have thought.

That doesnt make any sense. If they can't prove it, how can it be in paper? the McCann's have already read all sorts of baloney in the paper about the case.

dark crystal · 16-06-2020 9:33am

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

cgcsb wrote: »

So then why write the parents to give them a 'hint'?

A hint? Jesus.

They have written to the parents to tell them their daughter is dead. Not maybe dead, not suspected of dying, dead.

They have proof of death. You don't tell any family such a devastating fact without proof.

Just because they cannot release the details in public, does not mean it's some sort of game they're playing with the family.

Best not to judge all police forces by Portuguese standards.

Madeleine McCann

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