Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

wadacrack wrote: »

Its just banter, not a big deal. Relax

Cool as a cucumber chief.

Hector Savage wrote: »

Spain, it is depressing EU has pretty much things under control, Spain will open borders to other EU nations June 21(fair enough) ... and internationally on July 1.

Crazy, we see things going crazy in South America and they will have flights coming in from there from July 1.

After all this work and sacrifice they are just gonna **** it up by opening up...

Yep nuts. But make no mistake, we will have infected tourists getting off planes also.

tom1ie wrote: »

When does a second wave become a second wave?
Is Beijing a second wave?

A second wave is a prolonged exponential increase after reporting little or no cases. The US never got to the bottom of the first peak.

tom1ie wrote: »

Ok so if cases keep on rising in Beijing (which I doubt they will due to the authorities being able to enforce a real lockdown) how long before we class it as a second wave. Is it defined or is it ones perception?

According to the FDA in America the virus would have to retreat completely for a number of months even a year or more with zero infections reported.
And then reappear or mutate to cause a second wave.
Otherwise you are experiencing the first wave with Spike's of infections been reported.
The world health organization have the same belief in there 6 phases of pandemic.
Except for the who state a second wave is avoidable with social social measures in place.
So for a second wave to happen that initial wave has to finish

podgeandrodge wrote: »

There won't be a second 'lockdown'. Potentially variants on restrictions in some areas being repeated if there is an urgent necessity, but Governments across the world know that populations in general won't take another run at full lockdown. It was hard to contain them for the first one for too long. Majority will demand re-opening of society, and vulnerable/elderly will have to make certain life choices if society lives with the virus in advance of a vaccine (hopefully later this year/early next year). World economy needs to start turning again and, rightly or wrongly, the majority of people that either don't get, or survive, Covid will demand that life goes on. Just my view on what will happen, right or wrong.

I wouldn't doubt there'd be a substantially higher threshold to calling a second total lockdown, but at some point, there's also catastrophic recession-inducing economic damage to be sustained, and a s**t time for many, if a lockdown is *not* enforced.

For example, people sick with COVID probably can't come into work, so that's their economic input nullified for at least a couple of weeks or longer if there are complications. Secondly, in the grip of a second wave, patronage of pubs, shops and restaurants would fall precipitously as people try to go out as little as possible to avoid the virus. And this could last longer than an enforced lockdown as, due to people staying in, the virus would take much longer to reach the herd immunity point where everyone can start safely going out again.

Then, you have the full hospitals, leaving people who can't get treated. This is a recipe for misery for a lot of people, and some real upheaval when their despair turns to anger.

In a perfect world, regional lockdowns would be a better way forward, but we've seen how people take the p*ss with those by moving beyond the affected area.

caveat emptor wrote: »

Wouldn’t be pushing for schools to reopen anytime soon. Wonder how many cases they had when they reopened the schools.

I wouldn't call two and a half months 'any time soon'

Weekly cases in Ireland by county - W/E Sunday 7th -> W/E Sunday 14th

Carlow - 171 (+3)
Cavan - 860 (+2)
Clare - 369 (+1)
Cork - 1533 (+4)
Donegal - 470 (-1)
Dublin - 12210 (+71)
Galway - 486 (+5)
Kerry - 308 (No Change)
Kildare - 1426 (+3)
Kilkenny - 348 (+4)
Laois - 264 (+2)
Leitrim - 84 (No Change)
Limerick - 584 (+2)
Longford - 285 (No Change)
Louth - 778 (+1)
Mayo - 571 (+1)
Meath - 805 (-1)
Monaghan - 535 (+7)
Offaly - 481 (+2)
Roscommon - 342 (+5)
Sligo - 128 (No Change)
Tipperary - 541 (+1)
Waterford - 154 (No Change)
Westmeath - 670 (-1)
Wexford - 216 (+2)
Wicklow - 670 (No Change)

Total: 113 cases

Biggest Increase: Dublin +71 (63% of weekly cases)
Biggest Increase outside of Dublin: Monaghan +7 (6% of weekly cases)
No Change / Minus Cases: Donegal, Kerry, Leitrim, Longford, Meath, Sligo, Waterford, Westmeath, Wicklow

UK have done a great job of hiding 42,000 bodies. Spain only had 27,000 and they were filling every inch of space they could find from churches to Halls.
We've not seen mass bodies in media from UK. No pictures of 100's of coffins lined up, its all under the radar.

Polar101 wrote: »

It wasn't WHO, but their national lab - they bought **** quality testing kits. This guy also think prayers can vanquish the "satanic virus", so that's the level of intelligence you are dealing with. So if you want to laugh at the WHO, please use don't use Tanzania as a funny example.

It was Tanzanian national lab staffed by WHO. They got kicked out. As for praying he is not alone, quite a lot of countries used this narrative. What really is unsettling is why it is mostly western countries sufferring most of casulties and poor countries with pretty much nonexistent health system fare much better.
Could it be our lifestyle? I do not think prayer is what helps but certainly, there is something strange going on when goat or papaya tests positive.

It doesn't really make sense for a quarter of the country to have way over half of our cases. Something went wrong in Dublin and even Leinster as a hole. Kildare has nearly 4 times more cases than Galway despite having a smaller population. Density could be argued but I think Cork proves that wrong with such a low case number per 100,000.

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I think the majority of countys have proven if you had of stayed at home as requested the virus would be all but dead. Looking at Dublin from the outside it's got more than it's fair share of idiots who wouldn't take the good advice(protestors, partys, Penny's etc)How many of them are off on foreign holidays now?
If Dublin doesn't get it's act together it should be isolated, I'd go as far as saying it should happen now, it doesn't have x31 population to excuse the numbers.

Sorry but for every person staying at home there is another person who has to keep on working so you can happily stay isolated.

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I think the majority of countys have proven if you had of stayed at home as requested the virus would be all but dead. Looking at Dublin from the outside it's got more than it's fair share of idiots who wouldn't take the good advice(protestors, partys, Penny's etc)How many of them are off on foreign holidays now?
If Dublin doesn't get it's act together it should be isolated, I'd go as far as saying it should happen now, it doesn't have x31 population to excuse the numbers.

What a stupid statement. You do relaise there was people protesting in other towns and cities across the country?? There were people queueing at pennys and other shops across the country, likewise parties aren't just a Dublin thing. Presume your going to call people across the country idiots so ? Bit of balance required here.

Based on population density alone you'd expect Dublin to have more cases.