Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

Jayesdiem wrote: »

Fair enough but the absurdity of all those requirements you’ve written there certainly does indicate that you are afraid to go back; substantially so. You may think you need all those bells and whistles, but you really don’t because the virus is neither widespread, nor particularly dangerous to those who contract it. Actually, your attitude is even a little arrogant. You are perfectly happy (I assume) to frequent a supermarket on a regular basis where hundreds of workers up and down the country have selflessly, and without complaint, come into contact with a lot more than 250 people per day. Yet they live to tell the tale whilst all the teachers can worry about are unattainable and needless standards of cleanliness that just make all our lives difficult. Let me ask you this: for how long are you willing to draw chalk circles on the ground and hide behind Perspex glass? Do you think that is any way to deliver education to our young?

I'm getting my shopping delivered because I'm pregnant and trying to avoid crowds but I take your point. I'd be going to shops if I wasn't pregnant. I don't want social distancing in schools or to teach behind glass, the shields I was talking about are the face shield thingsthat you wear. I don't know much about them but thought they might be less obstructive than a mask and we can make them in my school.

I think you misunderstood me. I'm saying that because social distancing as it stands isn't possible in school we need to up the cleaning and hygiene measures like every other workplace. Not just for us, for the students too.

I completely understand that workers are meeting more people than me on a daily basis but my understanding was that it was time in close proximity that was an issue as regards spread. Post primary teachers would be in close contact for 40 mins minimum at a time.

lockdown was advocated by every serious expert in health, social and beyond

Simply untrue. Experts from Oxford University, and other scientists, opposed it from the get-go. Mad the emotional and political investment in this destructive policy, causing people to ignore any point of view, or any piece of evidence, that runs counter to it.

Chicoso wrote: »

I'd rather things the way they are than have them reduce it and start mandating masks.

Masks are a PITH and there's little public appetite for them imo apart from the hypochondriac puritanic brigade

Just because you dont approve of masks doesnt mean you slag those off who do. Everyone has their own reasons for taking the approach they do. If for some mask wearing helps so be it. You do not know if they are wearing them to protect themselves or immuncompromised family members.

Chicoso wrote: »

They can wear them but the low take-up speaks for itself

The low take up was to do with the unwillingnes sof the government to say mask wearing/face covering should be manatory in crowded places as there was a shortage on masks and they did not want joe public buying them. THey were asked nightly about changing this adn hmed and hawed over it.
WHO also asked Ireland last week to up their suggested face wearing policy.

I see about 40% take up where I am and even people out walking in them in a nearly country suburb.

History Queen wrote: »

To be honest I'm not a scientist or health professional. Those that are have deemed it necessary for society at large. Do you have information to the contrary?

The same statistics re contraction and death rates in specific populations that you have. From those stats I know people below 60 yrs, in particular children of school-going age have next to no risk . This is not a joke: more children died putting their trousers on last year than have died from Covid this year.

Jayesdiem wrote: »

But you haven’t answered the question. Why do you need precautions for a dying, largely benign virus?

Should they not be entitled to the same type of precautions etc that others out working are entitled to though?

Fair enough if come September and that’s all changed then that’s a different story.

Chicoso wrote: »

Donald Trump gets unfairly maligned

He was right on this

I'm a huge fan of his but where was he right

So, the BLM protest was now 15 days ago... Where a few thousand people crowded into confined areas in Dublin. Where is this huge surge in cases people predicted?

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Hope you are right. Grafton St and Henry St are busy with tons of people walking etc. but shops themselves had queues and I suppose most people (incl myself) walk past all of that. Looking into shops (like Zara/H&M) they are mostly empty and you genuinely feel you could put 50 more people into them and they would still be 2 metres apart.

Another thing that's really strange is that some shop assistants/people who organise the queue wear this plastic barrier in front of their face - where as others dont even wear gloves/mask (Penneys store had 1 person out of 8 who organised the queue wear mask)

Hopefully it all does pick up over the coming weeks but as is the picture was a bit grim and 2 more weeks of no restaurants/pubs/barbers really does seem to be so excruciating.

I am gonna go out on a limb here and predict less than 25 new cases today. And tomorrow. ...

Predicted correctly.

Bloody 8 new cases today.

What the hell is going on?? Why isnt Leo announcing further accelerations for week starting 22nd of June? Why wait to 29th? We are bleeding a lot of cash needlessly and burdening younger generation (which i am part of to some extent) with debt. If interest rates move unfavourably, we will need to call IMF...

What the hell seriously? On average 10 new cases this week? Probably 200 people or so live cases in entire country at this stage.

How in the gods name can 3000 gather and disregard social distancing for 3 + hours? 5 + hours? and small barber shop packed with PPE cant reopen until (if lucky) another 2 weeks? If unlucky 6 weeks. This is insanity live. :mad::mad::mad:

mloc123 wrote: »

So, the BLM protest was now 15 days ago... Where a few thousand people crowded into confined areas in Dublin. Where is this huge surge in cases people predicted?

Sounds like you're dying for an online argument! I think everyone is happy that it has not resulted in a surge of cases whether they predicted it or not.

mloc123 wrote: »

So, the BLM protest was now 15 days ago... Where a few thousand people crowded into confined areas in Dublin. Where is this huge surge in cases people predicted?

There was a big jump yesterday .

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

There was a big jump yesterday .

No there wasn’t.

Clonmel1000 wrote: »

Ok went to tramore today for a drive and a lovely walk. Zero masks in evidence. I’m getting more and more confused by social distancing and it’s application. Queues outside cafe and fast food retailers nobody 2m apart then outside the shops absolute free for all. People literally on top of each other. Also all along the prom etc very very little evidence of it. Now here’s the thing. I’ve no problem per say with what I saw but are we just paying some kind of lip service by having people queue and then ignoring social distancing when they come outside? Also was doing a bit of shopping earlier. Went into to a large furniture store. They seemed to have a max of 6 allowed then I go into the shop next door a small newsagent who allows 3 in? The whole thing is so arbitrary so nonsensical and makes the whole shopping experience very unpleasant.

It is strange, some shops seem to have gone overboard completely.. I went to one during the week, a hardware type shop.. only letting 3 people in at a time which was maybe ten times the size of my local Esso... which lets 10 people in at a time.

Went to Dublin Zoo on Saturday, their new one way system actually makes it harder to stay away from people. They let 500 in at one time... and then funnel all 500 into a one way system, meaning you are essentially in a queue the entire way around. Most Saturday mornings we went in the past, you would barely meet anyone as people all have their own routes around.