Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings

is_that_so · 08-06-2020 11:09AM

paw patrol wrote: »

This is the problem , we can disobey the rules as individuals but business that require license will be required to maintain them and sports clubs etc...

Btw you are wrong on the distancing , many experts have gone against it. The 2 meters is a sham too , even the experts pro distancing disagree on it.
In the UK they admitted the 2m was made up.

As has the CMO, based on the premise that they view 2m as less of a risk of contracting the disease than 1m. The primary aim has alwaya been to keep people away from each other and it's worked.

SEPT 23 1989 · 08-06-2020 11:10AM

so my plan to order a half portion of soup with a days pints is in ruins:(

paw patrol · 08-06-2020 11:11AM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Who in the UK admitted this was made up?

daily mail had a professor on with quotes who sits on NERVTAG (New and Emerging Respiratory Virus Threats Advisory Group).

Also WHO says it 1 meter. Other countries have different distances.

Tenzor07 · 08-06-2020 11:18AM

ednwireland wrote: »

i suspect we will have a second wave

hmmm wrote: »

we know this virus will accelerate quick if given an opportunity -

All these predictions of Second waves, of exponential spread of the virus... What are they based on?
The early 2020 mathematical models that all the tens of thousands of deaths in Ireland were based on didn't have proper data and were wrong...

The whole thing is that this virus isn't called Covid20, it's Covid2019, so the "2nd Wave" could have already passed.

The R0 estimated rate isn't enough to allow exponential spread, there was 1 death in the South, 0 deaths up North.
UK death rate is declining...
So what is likely is that as the virus has spread and replicated, after each number of infections it becomes less lethal.
So while the number of infections may not reach single figures, the number of deaths should be extremely low or none.

MickeyLeari · 08-06-2020 11:19AM

hmmm wrote: »

I'm involved with a sports club and we've been told if we don't follow the rules we are not insured, I don't see why businesses would be different.

That is why 1 metre in important in terms of any infrastructure and perspex etc is relevant also i.e. other protective measures.

thelad95 · 08-06-2020 11:20AM

Over the next three weeks if figures stay low I can see them accelerating all of phase 4 into the 29th of June.

It will make more sense to just open pubs (not nightclubs admittedly) instead of witnessing all sorts of bending of the rules like charging three cent for a plate of chips (pretty much the cost) so someone can get a rake of Guinness in. In addition, people will just host house parties as compliance is very much waining even for those who were advocating at the very start. House parties are a bigger concern.

I would express my deepest condolences to the family of the person who we were informed passed away yesterday but given that community transmission is dead in the water, I don't see how they can justify arbitrarily delaying for a further three weeks.

It's now reached a stage thankfully where if you are stupid enough to not adhere to social distancing guidelines, you're probably only putting yourself and your family in harms way as everyone else has become so well trained that you are unlikely to be able to transmit it to other people as you ignorantly go about your daily business with disregard for others.

Ginger n Lemon · 08-06-2020 11:21AM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

All these predictions of Second waves, of exponential spread of the virus... What are they based on?
The early 2020 mathematical models that all the tens of thousands of deaths in Ireland were based on didn't have proper data and were wrong...

The whole thing is that this virus isn't called Covid20, it's Covid2019, so the "2nd Wave" could have already passed.

The R0 estimated rate isn't enough to allow exponential spread, there was 1 death in the South, 0 deaths up North.
UK death rate is declining...
So what is likely is that as the virus has spread and replicated, after each number of infections it becomes less lethal.
So while the number of infections may not reach single figures, the number of deaths should be extremely low or none.

Based on no science or evidence abroad.

What will happen is in October / November when flu starts to appear, BBC & RTE will start reporting "an increasing number of people admitted to hospital with covid like symptoms" and this hysteria might start all over again.

But given that RTE is funded by the govt really, and govt dont want no 2nd lockdowns or anything like that they may just sweep all of it under the rug and say "its flu not covid". Money talks as they say

Hrududu · 08-06-2020 11:23AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Almost everyone I know is reporting that social distancing currently isn't working anyways. And yet there are no spikes in cases.

But if there are no spikes in cases, wouldn't that be an indication that social distancing is working?

Benimar · 08-06-2020 11:25AM

MickeyLeari wrote: »

That is why 1 metre in important in terms of any infrastructure and perspex etc is relevant also i.e. other protective measures.

See, I can imagine a reduction if accompanied by other safety measures - perspex as you mentioned, people remaining seated etc.

What I can't see is what one poster wants - lets go to 1m, no other precautions.

Gregor Samsa · 08-06-2020 11:32AM

paw patrol wrote: »

The 2 meters is a sham too , even the experts pro distancing disagree on it. In the UK they admitted the 2m was made up.

What do you mean it was "made up"?

The WHO advice is "Maintain at least 1 metre (3 feet) distance between yourself and others". source

Distance between people reduces the chance for the virus to transmit - everyone agrees on that. 1m is better than 20cm. 2m is better than one meter. 5m is better than 2m. 300km is better than 5m. This isn't controversial at all.

The WHO is saying that 1m is the absolute minimum (see the words "at least" in their advice?) they recommend. Individual countries have decided to recommend a larger minimum buffer than that. It isn't "made up" or "a sham". The argument is about whether the increased risk (whatever that might be) of people being at a minimum of 1m is worth it for the economic benefits of increased capacity. But that doesn't mean the 2m distance is somehow "made up".

IQO · 08-06-2020 11:33AM

https://twitter.com/endajodowd/status/1269933785451241473

https://twitter.com/ConalThomas/status/1269932507539128321

helimachoptor · 08-06-2020 11:34AM

hmmm wrote: »

I'm involved with a sports club and we've been told if we don't follow the rules we are not insured, I don't see why businesses would be different.

how does that apply (or can it) to contact sports?

Deeper Blue · 08-06-2020 11:34AM

I just heard it mentioned on the radio that "if the R0 goes above 1, restrictions will be reimposed". I'm not sure where that's coming from but I can't see them being reimposed at any stage regardless of what happens.

crossman47 · 08-06-2020 11:34AM

I have to laugh at those praising the government for now overruling NPHET. I wanted that too but , as the leading minister advocating change was Michael Ring, I'm afraid that doesn't fill me with confidence.

GeorgeBailey · 08-06-2020 11:36AM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

That man is an embarrassment and underlines how out of touch and how wrong scientists are with their predicting deaths and their models etc.

But its good that we have Gerry Killeen, discredits science profession significantly - we wont listen to this fool or any other similar fool quoting 60 000 + dead Irish people in the future.

Agreed. What has science or scientists ever done for us? zero.

ricero · 08-06-2020 11:36AM

One thing for sure is that lockdown is broken for good. The blm protests have seen that both here in Ireland, the UK, and of course America.

is_that_so · 08-06-2020 11:37AM

NDWC wrote: »

I just heard it mentioned on the radio that "if the R0 goes above 1, restrictions will be reimposed". I'm not sure where that's coming from but I can't see them being reimposed at any stage regardless of what happens.

Was that George Lee?

Ginger n Lemon · 08-06-2020 11:37AM

Benimar wrote: »

See, I can imagine a reduction if accompanied by other safety measures - perspex as you mentioned, people remaining seated etc.

What I can't see is what one poster wants - lets go to 1m, no other precautions.

An honest question (since me and you seem to be asking questions all morning

) does below not give you comfort of going to 1 metre without any plastic silos implemented in restaurants?

"11 May 2020 - Denmark has cut in half the physical distance its citizens must maintain, as the country takes a key step toward ending two months of restrictions on movement.

The social distancing requirement has been reset to 1 meter, or about 3 feet, from 2 meters, the Danish Health Authority said late on Sunday."

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-11/denmark-cuts-distancing-rule-in-major-step-to-end-lockdown

My point being, you kind of come across as we will be the first country to reduce 2 metre social distancing, when in reality we are actually one of the last... Bear in mind Denmark are 1 month now with 1 metre social distancing and the "enormous risk" just hasnt materialised there?

And, you know, theres Italy and a host of other countries who are at 1 metre now. For 4 + weeks now.

ednwireland · 08-06-2020 11:38AM

thing with the queues is course they look long with 2m distancing

road_high · 08-06-2020 11:38AM

Very best of luck to all the businesses and shops opening up after three months of nonsensical hysteria. Hope everyone tries to get out and spend a few bob, especially in the locally owned stores.
I'll leave it a few days until the crowds and queues subside I think.
This is stuff about pubs and food is the latest line in the madness- I'm hoping the re-opening may herald a return to common sense and away from the Dr. Killeen style madness we've been forced fed for 3 months.

Jinglejangle69 · 08-06-2020 11:39AM

All playgrounds still closed.

What a joke.

Elmer Blooker · 08-06-2020 11:40AM

facehugger99 wrote: »

Logic was fcuked out the window right at the start of this.

So if you live in County Louth you are only 'allowed' to travel 20km but if you live in say Mitchelstown Co Cork you are 'allowed' to travel as much as 140km if you wanted to visit scenic west Cork

Has some 'study' come to the conclusion that those living in Co Louth are more likely to have this virus?
The govt and the 'experts' are just making it all up as they go along.

08-06-2020 11:41AM

Hrududu wrote: »

But if there are no spikes in cases, wouldn't that be an indication that social distancing is working?

What I meant is, all of my friends are reporting that social distancing isn't working. As in, people are not staying 2m away from each other. This is also what I am observing myself. I've seen plenty of queue's were somebody walks right alongside the entire queue to get to the end... defeating the whole purpose of the spaced out queue.

The pictures from the beaches and the protests should be enough evidence for anybody that social distancing is not actually really happening.

If people are visiting family and sitting indoors, its not really possible to social distance. A lot of properties wouldn't be built to have 4+ people 2m apart.

So if social distancing is not happening and there is no spikes, than you'd have to conclude that it doesn't really have much purpose.

road_high · 08-06-2020 11:42AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

All playgrounds still closed.

What a joke.

You need political leadership to call out this kind of nonsense and just call it out - unfortunately you have dimwits like Simon Harris cheerleading this kind of crap.

road_high · 08-06-2020 11:43AM

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

So if you live in County Louth you are only 'allowed' to travel 20km but if you live in say Mitchelstown Co Cork you are 'allowed' to travel as much as 140km if you wanted to visit scenic west Cork Has some 'study' come to the conclusion that those living in Co Louth are more likely to have this virus?
The govt and the 'experts' are just making it all up as they go along.

Never look for sense in this insanity. Just go wherever you want now. Enough of this crap.

is_that_so · 08-06-2020 11:44AM

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

So if you live in County Louth you are only 'allowed' to travel 20km but if you live in say Mitchelstown Co Cork you are 'allowed' to travel as much as 140km if you wanted to visit scenic west Cork Has some 'study' come to the conclusion that those living in Co Louth are more likely to have this virus?
The govt and the 'experts' are just making it all up as they go along.

No, you can go the length of the county, about 80km, but if you're going outside the county no more than 20km. The aim is to get most people to stay local.

completedit · 08-06-2020 11:44AM

Have friends in Czech, contact sports are back and have seen them on Instagram in bars without masks on

Cork Boy 53 · 08-06-2020 11:44AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

All playgrounds still closed.

What a joke.

The councils are waiting for guidance from govt. before they reopen the playgrounds.

feelings · 08-06-2020 11:45AM

Passed two playgrounds yesterday. While "closed" there were plenty of kids playing in both playgrounds.

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

All playgrounds still closed.

What a joke.

Jinglejangle69 · 08-06-2020 11:46AM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

The councils are waiting for guidance from govt. before they reopen the playgrounds.

We'll be waiting a long time so cause the councils don't have the staff to supervise playgrounds.

Kids bare the brunt again.

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings