Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

pjohnson wrote: »

Yet some whingers are still are whinging! Despite supposedly getting exactly what they wanted.

Almost like they just wanted to have a whinge regardless. Not the least bit suprised the most vocal are still the most vocal with the whinging. Never happy.

People can be pleased at having some restrictions while still wanting more easing. Its not that hard to understand. Just deal with it or maybe stop reading the thread.

ednwireland wrote: »

i suspect we will have a second wave (but hope not) but the way this virus is behaving seems to be amaking ity hard to predict for experts (surely spain and italy should be in a secondf wave by now ?)

Italy has re-opened restaurants, but they are an outdoor culture at this time of year and there is 2 metre spacing.

There is a lot of wishful thinking in this thread, and an attempt at times to make things seem inevitable ("of course we will go to 1 metre"). 1 metre is not a lot of space, and we know this virus will accelerate quick if given an opportunity - I expect we'll be waiting to see how other countries get on with their relaxation of restrictions.

hmmm wrote: »

Italy has re-opened restaurants, but they are an outdoor culture at this time of year and there is 2 metre spacing.

There is a lot of wishful thinking in this thread, and an attempt at times to make things seem inevitable ("of course we will go to 1 metre"). 1 metre is not a lot of space, and we know this virus will accelerate quick if given an opportunity - I expect we'll be waiting to see how other countries get on with their relaxation of restrictions.

Wishful thinking works both ways. We will have to go to 1m in due course as other factors come into play. Economically it is not a long-term runner at all especially in the face of a fast declining outbreak and socially it is far more destructive than any virus.

Benimar wrote: »

A serious question for you. On the basis that you don’t want to (completely!) ignore health advice, would you support a reduction of 2M to 1m IF everyone had to remain seated and had to wear masks when entering, exiting, walking to toilet?

This push for 1m is mad. I can see some sort of argument to go to 1.5m (I’m not certain I would personally) as some European countries use that. To reduce it to the ‘minimum’ the WHO, given the Irish record with minimum requirements would be an enormous risk.

No.

Reduce it to 1 metre and be in line with WHO.

Whats the point of WHO if you will listen to them when they tell you to lockdown but wont follow them for 1 metre social distancing guideline?

Onesea wrote: »

What odds would you get on a 3rd wave? Seeing as a 2nd one seems likely. Given that we know so much about this and all.

I reckon the seventh wave will be the real deal!

ednwireland wrote: »

honestly does gerry killen get off on this, the rest of europe opens up yet he wants everyone to sit at home terrified. cant someone put him on €350 a week and see how long he thinks thats a good idea.

i suspect we will have a second wave (but hope not) but the way this virus is behaving seems to be making it hard to predict for experts (surely spain and italy should be in a second wave by now ?)





but then he was speaking to the irish daily mail

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/coronavirus/expert-says-accelerated-reopening-could-cost-60-000-lives/ar-BB15b7Lx?ocid=spartan-ntp-feeds

The fact that he is quoted in the article that he uses his own modeling to come up with his figures raises the question has his theory and modeling been seen or queried by fellow expert's

ixoy wrote: »

I thought it was 1 metre in Italy.

Yeah Italy is 1m.

Also in France 1.5m but there's plenty of pictures from the last few days, are they 1.5m from each other, are they fcuk.

DubInMeath wrote: »

It's almost as if they were full of something. Not quite sure exactly, but there is a bit of an agricultural smell off them.

What i think will be even funnier is when all the condescending “pro lockdown “crowd coming back on here in October crying like little bitches about all the paycuts etc etc

hmmm wrote: »

Are these indoor or outdoor pictures?

Outdoor bars, cafes and restaurants, it was one of the main pictures in the independent at the weekend

Deleted User wrote: »

The whole social distancing is basically a load of rubbish anyways. Its impossible to ever enforce. You can have a queue of 200 people spaced 2m apart. If 1 person then walks alongside the queue all the way to the back, they've potentially contaminated every single person. Almost everyone I know is reporting that social distancing currently isn't working anyways.

It works and the models show it works. It's all we have until a vaccine.

We don't need 100% compliance, we need most people to implement it and they will carry the rest who don't or couldn't be arsed.

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

And what about mask wearing hand washing etc? What is your current view on that?

Hand washing is something I dont even want to comment on - people shouldve been doing it long before pandemic and should be doing it long after pandemic is gone.

Masks - well they give false sense of security, and I havent seen any science behind wearing them outdoors (perhaps explains why it took 6 months for WHO to form an opinion on them)

SO i ll listen to Danish health experts on masks part. There was a pharmacist here who wanted masks for HSE only, I dont want to rob HSE of masks so I wont be buying any

"He said that masks came with many disadvantages.

"It comes with a price for most people: You have to pay for the masks; it is inconvenient to wear it; is difficult to talk to people when you can't see their face; if people working hard, it can be hard to breathe, and we don't know how long a mask last for."

Perhaps the biggest issue, he added, was that masks might create a sense of false security.

"If you feel safe, you might change your behaviour, maybe you get closer to people and maybe you don't wash your hands so often," he said. "So the achievement might be none, or you might be worse off in fact."

https://www.thelocal.dk/20200511/why-is-denmark-not-recommending-face-masks-to-the-public

PS Mask uptake in my area is around 1% or less. Out of 100 + people I see outdoors every day/in Aldi or Supervalu only occasional elderly person might wear it, and even that person has nose exposed which is a bit ineffective.

Benimar wrote: »

So you want it to be reduced to 1m, despite it being less safe, but are not willing to keep people seated at 1m, or masked when moving?

Despite it being an enclosed environment when one of the few things scientists agree on is that the risk of spread is greater indoors?

I do.

Less safe is the name of the game.

Like you can turn around and say govt scrapping phase 5 is less safe. So what.

When govt say that phase 4 is scrapped couple of days before 29th of June, is that less safe? ofcourse it will be less safe.

Less safe is reality.

A lot of safety has hit our budget dramatically over the last 3 months, hence we decided to be less safe with restrictions. And this 2 metre thing is one of the last hurdles that we will definitely overcome over the next 20 days.