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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 454 ✭✭snoopboggybog


    L1011 wrote: »
    If at an equal temperature and poured competently, yes. Its the same liquid.

    You seeing which is which is going to impact what you think.

    You keep going on about it been the same liquid.

    If you gave me a cup of tap water and a bottle of Ballygowan I suppose I wouldn't be able to taste the difference?

    Next time your in a pub have a large bottle and then have a pint and let me know if you can taste the difference. The large bottle is more watery than the pint and that is a fact.

    The pint is a much smoother drink.

    Do you think I wouldn't be able to taste the difference between a pint of coors and a bottle of coors poured into a pint glass? The pint is much smoother to drink and that is a fact.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,757 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    You keep going on about it been the same liquid.

    If you gave me a cup of tap water and a bottle of Ballygowan I suppose I wouldn't be able to taste the difference?

    Next time your in a pub have a large bottle and then have a pint and let me know if you can taste the difference. The large bottle is more watery than the pint and that is a fact.

    Is your tap connected to the Ballygowan spring? They're not the same liquid if it isn't

    Both the draught and the bottle are made at the same time on the same plant. You are imagining any other difference.

    Go get the two people required to double blind it. You won't tell any difference, cause there isn't one.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 454 ✭✭snoopboggybog


    L1011 wrote: »
    Is your tap connected to the Ballygowan spring? They're not the same liquid if it isn't

    Both the draught and the bottle are made at the same time on the same plant. You are imagining any other difference.

    Go get the two people required to double blind it. You won't tell any difference, cause there isn't one.

    So you couldn't taste or notice the difference between say a bottle of coors poured into a pint glass or a pint of Coors from the tap?

    Pints are much smoother to drink. Maybe its the gas that adds this effect but I can definitly 100% notice the difference.

    A pint is just smoother to drink with a great head.

    You can't honestly say that there would be no difference between a pint from the tap or from a can?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,757 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    So you couldn't taste or notice the difference between say a bottle of coors poured into a pint glass or a pint of Coors from the tap?


    Riiiiggghttt


    For any beer - once they're the same product, at the same temperature, to the same height in the glass - no. Because its the same beer. If I'm given a half filled pint glass with a giant headed, warm beer in it I'll be able to tell it was from a bottle; but that's not taste based.

    I'm not sure if bottle and draught Coors come from the same brewery here, btw; but that isn't a very common split.

    You have convinced yourself based on visual or other cues - that a bottle of most beers is under a pint; that they are unlikely to be the same temperature (pint bottles are often room temperature and regularly opened fridges aren't as cold as chilled lines), that bottles are often poured badly.

    Visual elements have a huge impact on food. People were convinced that Heinz's green ketchup was a different product. It was exactly the same with a taste inert food dye - but everyone expects ketchup to be red, not green.

    Everyone does this, to some extent. When you make an effort not to be swayed by it you will stop believing things are different when they are actually just presented differently.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,375 ✭✭✭jj880


    Five Guys.

    Absolute nonsense.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,757 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    jj880 wrote: »
    Five Guys.

    Absolute nonsense.

    If you think they're dear here; look at the prices in England (NI is the same franchiser as here) :eek:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 454 ✭✭snoopboggybog


    L1011 wrote: »
    For any beer - once they're the same product, at the same temperature, to the same height in the glass - no. Because its the same beer

    I'm not sure if bottle and draught Coors come from the same brewery here, btw; but that isn't a very common split.

    You have convinced yourself based on visual or other cues - that a bottle of most beers is under a pint; that they are unlikely to be the same temperature (pint bottles are often room temperature and regularly opened fridges aren't as cold as chilled lines), that bottles are often poured badly.

    Visual elements have a huge impact on food. People were convinced that Heinz's green ketchup was a different product. It was exactly the same with a taste inert food dye - but everyone expects ketchup to be red, not green.

    Everyone does this, to some extent. When you make an effort not to be swayed by it you will stop believing things are different when they are actually just presented differently.

    We have to agree to disagree as I know we can't change each others opinions so this will be my last post on it but I know for a fact points are better probably because of the gas used. I would be able to tell the difference every time. Maybe your not a big drinker but would be able to tell right away.

    The liquid indeed might be 100% the same but there is no way that cans can equal the way a pub pours the pint and the head it gets due to the gas used. No possible way.

    That's the end of it now from me


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,757 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    We have to agree to disagree as I know we can't change each others opinions so this will be my last post on it but I know for a fact points are better probably because of the gas used. I would be able to tell the difference every time. Maybe your not a big drinker but would be able to tell right away.

    The liquid indeed might be 100% the same but there is no way that cans can equal the way a pub pours the pint and the head it gets due to the gas used. No possible way.

    That's the end of it now from me

    I write about pubs and pub history, "not a big drinker" would not be what anyone would use to describe me!

    The line gas is the propellants, the dissolved gas is the majority of what you drink


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,375 ✭✭✭jj880


    L1011 wrote: »
    If you think they're dear here; look at the prices in England (NI is the same franchiser as here) :eek:

    Went to Five Guys in Newcastle. First and last time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    jj880 wrote: »
    Five Guys.

    Absolute nonsense.


    Bunsen or Ricks wipe the floor with it, and for nearly half the price.


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  • Posts: 24,713 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    L1011 wrote: »
    For any beer - once they're the same product, at the same temperature, to the same height in the glass - no. Because its the same beer. If I'm given a half filled pint glass with a giant headed, warm beer in it I'll be able to tell it was from a bottle; but that's not taste based.

    I'm not sure if bottle and draught Coors come from the same brewery here, btw; but that isn't a very common split.

    You have convinced yourself based on visual or other cues - that a bottle of most beers is under a pint; that they are unlikely to be the same temperature (pint bottles are often room temperature and regularly opened fridges aren't as cold as chilled lines), that bottles are often poured badly.

    Visual elements have a huge impact on food. People were convinced that Heinz's green ketchup was a different product. It was exactly the same with a taste inert food dye - but everyone expects ketchup to be red, not green.

    Everyone does this, to some extent. When you make an effort not to be swayed by it you will stop believing things are different when they are actually just presented differently.

    Sure Guinness on draught is excellent in some pubs and undrinkable in others are you saying that’s imagination also?

    A can of Guinness does not taste anywhere near as nice as even a half decent pint, the consistency is different and the head is very different. It is easy to tell the difference, they are basically a different drink.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 454 ✭✭snoopboggybog


    Sure Guinness on draught is excellent in some pubs and undrinkable in others are you saying that’s imagination also?

    A can of Guinness does not taste anywhere near as nice as even a half decent pint, the consistency is different and the head is very different. It is easy to tell the difference, they are basically a different drink.

    100%, they even said the same about Smitwicks. Imagine comparing a can of Smithwicks to a nice creamy pint of it.

    There completely different.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,774 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Bunsen or Ricks wipe the floor with it, and for nearly half the price.

    Ricks is probably the most underrated burger in the city. Huge and delicious. Prob with Ricks is brilliant location but tiny shop for the demand they have...it’s only comfortable just about to ‘eat in’ say Monday - Wednesday evenings, after that from Thursday nights on it’s usually just rammed with sloppy drinkers..

    I know they are there years but be great to have the food made somewhere that could better facilitate the customer..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    100%, they even said the same about Smitwicks. Imagine comparing a can of Smithwicks to a nice creamy pint of it.

    There completely different.


    I do think lads would find it difficult to differentiate between Beamish and Guinness in a blind pour.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,774 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    L1011 wrote: »
    If you think they're dear here; look at the prices in England (NI is the same franchiser as here) :eek:

    Am I just using the menu wrong, or is it my browser (safari on iPad) but there seem to be no prices anywhere, weird, Irish site too...ok found a photo... going large it’s about 18 euros for a coke, fries and a burger... that’s about 25 euros if you want a dessert and to tip... wow..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,818 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    Strumms wrote: »
    Ricks is probably the most underrated burger in the city. Huge and delicious. Prob with Ricks is brilliant location but tiny shop for the demand they have...

    I’ve mentioned “Ricks” on this site before. For the price, it has to be the best “value for money” burger around.

    Really is an excellent burger.

    Some people do take issue with the fact that the meat is halal. Ridiculous stuff. I mean, really??

    EmmetSpiceland: Oft imitated but never bettered.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,375 ✭✭✭jj880


    Strumms wrote: »
    Am I just using the menu wrong, or is it my browser (safari on iPad) but there seem to be no prices anywhere, weird, Irish site too...ok found a photo... going large it’s about 18 euros for a coke, fries and a burger... that’s about 25 euros if you want a dessert and to tip... wow..

    Yeah paid about 15 sterling for a burger chips n coke in Newcastle so thats about right. Just to see what the fuss was about. Never again.

    Five Guys customers are probably Apple customers too. A marketers wet dream.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,757 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Sure Guinness on draught is excellent in some pubs and undrinkable in others are you saying that’s imagination also?

    A can of Guinness does not taste anywhere near as nice as even a half decent pint, the consistency is different and the head is very different. It is easy to tell the difference, they are basically a different drink.

    Stale product is 99% of the 'bad pint' thing in pubs. Actually means the cans are a more consistent decent product.

    Are you scared of the blind taste challenge I gave you? Cause you didn't reply to that


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,757 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    100%, they even said the same about Smitwicks. Imagine comparing a can of Smithwicks to a nice creamy pint of it.

    There completely different.

    As soon as someone eulogises 'creamy', you know they've been got by the marketing people


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭dominatinMC


    L1011 wrote: »
    As soon as someone eulogises 'creamy', you know they've been got by the marketing people
    Jesus, as a moderator, I thought you'd know better. Clogging the last 7/8 pages of this thread with ****e talk about Guinness. Just open a new thread to debate the merits


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,998 ✭✭✭c.p.w.g.w


    100%, they even said the same about Smitwicks. Imagine comparing a can of Smithwicks to a nice creamy pint of it.

    There completely different.

    Once you pour the can into a glass there is zero difference.. I actually prefer the bottles as I don't need to dirty a glass


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 454 ✭✭snoopboggybog


    c.p.w.g.w wrote: »
    Once you pour the can into a glass there is zero difference.. I actually prefer the bottles as I don't need to dirty a glass

    zero difference between a pint out of a tap and and a can?

    Whatever you think yourself.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 454 ✭✭snoopboggybog


    L1011 wrote: »
    As soon as someone eulogises 'creamy', you know they've been got by the marketing people

    Your actually deluded if you think you can't notice the difference between a can and pint.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,757 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Your actually deluded if you think you can't notice the difference between a can and pint.

    Have you ever, ever applied actual scientific method to this?

    I guarantee that you cannot tell the difference when blinded. If you like the look, sure, you like the look.

    "creamy" and so on is total marketing nonsense that you have totally fallen for. If you were given a pint of actual cream you'd probably vomit half way down.

    There is nothing wrong wrong with preferring the visual, mythological or whatever properties of draught - but deluding yourself that its a different product is anti factual.

    Saying you prefer draught = fine
    Saying draught is better with unprovable, pseudoscientific nonsense = not


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,774 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    You would certainly know the difference between a can and a draught pint... and you wouldn’t even need to put either product to your lips... the head for a start, out of the can, it dissipates to fairly thin and flat looking after a two to three minutes, draught, generally not...

    A can out of your fridge that’s been a couple of hours is generally colder than Guinness pulled from a tap, it seems to dull the flavor a bit too.

    It depends on your taste but certainly if you blindfolded me, same type of glass, one a pulled draught pint, the other poured from a can that had been in the refrigerator I’m telling the difference I think..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,757 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Strumms wrote: »
    You would certainly know the difference between a can and a draught pint... and you wouldn’t even need to put either product to your lips... the head for a start, out of the can, it dissipates to fairly thin and flat looking after a two to three minutes, draught, generally not...

    You're entirely describing visual differences.

    Strumms wrote: »
    It depends on your taste but certainly if you blindfolded me, same type of glass, one a pulled draught pint, the other poured from a can that had been in the refrigerator I’m telling the difference I think..

    But are somehow certain you could taste the difference blindfolded?




    People here are trying to insist that the same liquid has magical properties when coming from a tap; without every actually trying anything that excludes visual differences.

    If you like the look of it - fantastic, keep liking it. Stop pretending it changes the liquid.


  • Posts: 24,713 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    L1011 wrote: »
    Stale product is 99% of the 'bad pint' thing in pubs. Actually means the cans are a more consistent decent product.

    Are you scared of the blind taste challenge I gave you? Cause you didn't reply to that

    I will absolutely take on that challenge when it can be arranged sometime down the road.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,757 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    I will absolutely take on that challenge when it can be arranged sometime down the road.

    Great. Prepare to be horrified

    (we have actually met in real life, for the benefit of other posters)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,228 ✭✭✭Vestiapx


    I live in Germany, and travel extensively as part of my work. There's a heavily-malted dark beer brewed in many countries. Germany has many styles of dark ale for example. As would Russia, Poland, and so on.

    Ireland is the last country in Europe where drinking a stout/porter is still widely popular. I'm not a big beer drinker anyway, but find Guinness to be a particularly bland drink. I'd imagine that is part of the appeal. My local supermarket has Leann Folláin in bottles. I will occasionally buy two or three of them.

    I didn't realise that LeAnn Folláin was in German shops.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,757 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Vestiapx wrote: »
    I didn't realise that LeAnn Foll was in German shops.

    Oharas have investment by the firm behind Estrella Galicia and have a huge distribution network. Only Irish beer you'll find easily in Estonian for instance, Guinness being rarer


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