Big Brand names whose products are way overrated

murpho999 · 05-06-2020 10:18PM

Feisar wrote: »

Ireland didn't invent stout

It's like making a Peking Duck in Dublin and calling it Irish.

Nobody , including Guinness is claiming they invented stout.

But Guinness is its own recipe and it's originated as a product in Ireland and made here since 1759 so it's Irish.

Brennan's didn't invent bread but their bread is Irish.

Ryanair did not event airlines but it's irish.

Tayto didn't invent crisps but they're Irish.

Need I go on?

L1011 · 05-06-2020 10:20PM

murpho999 wrote: »

Nobody , including Guinness is claiming they invented stout.

But Guinness is its own recipe and it's originated as a product in Ireland and made here since 1759 so it's Irish.

Brennan's didn't invent bread but their bread is Irish.

Ryanair did not event airlines but it's irish.

Tayto didn't invent crisps but they're Irish.

Need I go on?

Guinness Stout is not made since 1759. Mid 19th century for stout.

Tayto actually DID invent flavoured crisps.

Feisar · 05-06-2020 10:22PM

murpho999 wrote: »

Nobody , including Guinness is claiming they invented stout.

But Guinness is its own recipe and it's originated as a product in Ireland and made here since 1759 so it's Irish.

Brennan's didn't invent bread but their bread is Irish.

Ryanair did not event airlines but it's irish.

Tayto didn't invent crisps but they're Irish.

Need I go on?

OK

Loads of people think Guinness invented stout.

Aongus Von Bismarck · 05-06-2020 11:10PM

I live in Germany, and travel extensively as part of my work. There's a heavily-malted dark beer brewed in many countries. Germany has many styles of dark ale for example. As would Russia, Poland, and so on.

Ireland is the last country in Europe where drinking a stout/porter is still widely popular. I'm not a big beer drinker anyway, but find Guinness to be a particularly bland drink. I'd imagine that is part of the appeal. My local supermarket has Leann Folláin in bottles. I will occasionally buy two or three of them.

murpho999 · 06-06-2020 12:30AM

L1011 wrote: »

Guinness Stout is not made since 1759. Mid 19th century for stout.

Tayto actually DID invent flavoured crisps.

Yes, just read that about Guinness.

I knew about Tayto and the flavoured crisp but they still didn't invent crisps.

murpho999 · 06-06-2020 12:31AM

Feisar wrote: »

OK

Loads of people think Guinness invented stout.

So now you're changing your point and I've genuinely never heard anybody say they thought that Guinness invented stout.

cj maxx · 06-06-2020 12:44AM

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

I live in Germany, and travel extensively as part of my work. There's a heavily-malted dark beer brewed in many countries. Germany has many styles of dark ale for example. As would Russia, Poland, and so on. I'm not a big beer drinker anyway, but find Guinness to be a particularly bland drink.

That's why it has a broad range of people drinking it. It tastes so so, be grand

Jamsiek · 06-06-2020 08:18AM

Paris Skinny Wallpaper wrote: »

Stout from a bottle is only suitable for going into a stew.

Creamy delicious Guinness draught is the stuff of legend. I’d pay 50 euro a pint for a feed of them at this stage!

I went out to the pub a couple of weeks ago after the lockdown was lifted here.
It was nice to be back at it although I think a lot if people have gotten used to no going anymore.

looksee · 06-06-2020 08:40AM

Maybe recent Dysons have deteriorated, but I have a DC08 which was produced in around 2002 and it is still going strong. I hardly ever remember to change or wash the filters but it still works well.

As to big name stuff -
Marks and Spencer foods are way over-rated and over-priced.
Kelkin foods are one of the original dairy-free/wheat-free products and they really are horrible.
Batchelors beans are way too sweet.
I don't buy many ready-made sauces but any of the Lidl/Aldi sauces are better than the big name brands.

odyssey06 · 06-06-2020 10:05AM

Agree with you on own brand sauces v big brand names.

Pretty much any own brand product if made in Italy eg sauce pasta even vermouth - is at least as good if not better than the big brand name at half the price.

Feisar · 06-06-2020 10:41AM

murpho999 wrote: »

So now you're changing your point and I've genuinely never heard anybody say they thought that Guinness invented stout.

To be honest I don't know why you are getting so up tight about the whole thing. You can stick that one in the win column if that makes you feel better.

I didn't see you respond to my Peking Duck analogy, I accepted a point on the wine however I'm not sure it fits exactly. However I think it's down to pure semantics at this stage.

Have you never heard the one that it was invented due to a mistake in brewing beer?

the beer revolu · 06-06-2020 10:47AM

Feisar wrote: »

Have you never heard the one that it was invented due to a mistake in brewing beer?

The story was that a shed of grain got burnt in a fire but they decided to use it anyway.

TA da!

Stout Porter as invented in Dublin by Guinness.

Great story!

Ash.J.Williams · 06-06-2020 10:50AM

Falthyron wrote: »

Everything and anything related to Apple.

Have to say I’ve used android since the start and lost a brand new high end one and was given a free iPhone from work, hands down the best phone I’ve ever had,I’ll probably never go back

Capt'n Midnight · 06-06-2020 01:51PM

cj maxx wrote: »

Blind tests done on people,ie where you can't see what you're drinking , show people can't tell beers apart on taste alone, or even texture. Idk

In some blind tests people couldn't tell the difference between red or white wine.

Edit :
https://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2014/08/the_most_infamous_study_on_wine_tasting.html

In a sneaky study, Brochet dyed a white wine red and gave it to 54 oenology (wine science) students. The supposedly expert panel overwhelmingly described the beverage like they would a red wine. They were completely fooled.

Capt'n Midnight · 06-06-2020 01:52PM

If you thought Cadbury's chocolate's reputation couldn't get worse ?

Scroll down to the Customer questions & answers

ShatterAlan · 06-06-2020 03:37PM

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

Was there any Irish business run by Catholics that are still around

Maybe there are some family run musical instrument businesses that go back a couple of centuries. I would imagine making bodhrans, and uillean pipes would be a predominantly Catholic enterprise.

Flahavan's Oats company was founded in 1785. Claddagh is pretty old. Founded in Galway. I can't say however if either family was Catholic.

Ash.J.Williams · 06-06-2020 03:51PM

Feisar wrote: »

Point accepted, Guinness is Irish. Someone call 'em up I'm sure they'll be delighted to know!

Guinness sacked everybody that togged out for the 1916 rising and didn’t hire catholics until relatively recently

In the 1700s you could compare them to the dunnes selling addiction to the natives:)

Hotblack Desiato · 06-06-2020 04:44PM

Paris Skinny Wallpaper wrote: »

To be honest I would tell you by looking at them and by smelling them before ever tasting.

Ah for jaysus' sake.

First off you wouldn't be looking at it. Blind taste test. Because your eyes overrule your taste buds a lot of the time. Not that it's going to look very different a minute or two after it's settled anyway...

Smell, are you for real? It's the exact same product in the can or in the keg. It can't possibly smell any different.

This post is the epitome of Guinness bolloxology. Their marketing department must be laughing up their sleeves that their customers can be so deluded.

06-06-2020 04:51PM

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Ah for jaysus' sake.

First off you wouldn't be looking at it. Blind taste test. Because your eyes overrule your taste buds a lot of the time. Not that it's going to look very different a minute or two after it's settled anyway...

Smell, are you for real? It's the exact same product in the can or in the keg. It can't possibly smell any different.

This post is the epitome of Guinness bolloxology. Their marketing department must be laughing up their sleeves that their customers can be so deluded.

Blind taste test to me meant using generic glasses and not knowing which is which I didnt know you actually meant blindfolded.

Of course I'd tell by smell, I'm very rarely wrong in telling if a pint of draught Guinness is a good pint or a bad pint by smell, cans have a very distinct smell compared to draught so I wouldn't have much difficulty telling them apart. Same as I'd tell murphys, beamish and Guinness apart by smell.

Saying a can of Guinness can't be easily told apart from a pint of draught Guinness is bolloxology, they taste totally different.

Capt'n Midnight · 06-06-2020 04:54PM

Paris Skinny Wallpaper wrote: »

Blind taste test to me meant using generic glasses

Speaking of generic glasses, Specsavers are way, way overrated.

Muahahaha · 06-06-2020 05:01PM

L1011 wrote: »

Mulligans fits the age, the dark and the barmen wearing uniforms. I can't remember if there's fireplaces.

Mulligans does have a fireplace but Ive never seen it lit. A fair few years since I was a regular there but back then I know that they put their Guinness down to a couple of things, one that the draw from keg to tap was very short, about a pint in the line as the cellar is directly beneath the bar. And the other was that they flushed their Guinness lines with cold water every night after the bar closed to prevent the growth of yeast in the line. It lost them a pint or two but they saw it as worth it and I think most would agree that they do serve a fine pint. They also properly clean their lines themselves once a week and they wouldnt let Guinness' contractors do it, why change a winning formula.

L1011 · 06-06-2020 07:02PM

Paris Skinny Wallpaper wrote: »

Saying a can of Guinness can't be easily told apart from a pint of draught Guinness is bolloxology, they taste totally different.

Willing to prove this when meetings are actually allowed again?

Because its the same liquid. There's no magic involved.

You may actually be some form of super-taster able to taste the can lining; but more realistically you've convinced yourself of the 'great pint' hoodoo and nothing else.

snoopboggybog · 06-06-2020 07:08PM

L1011 wrote: »

Willing to prove this when meetings are actually allowed again?

Because its the same liquid. There's no magic involved.

You may actually be some form of super-taster able to taste the can lining; but more realistically you've convinced yourself of the 'great pint' hoodoo and nothing else.

I can easily tell the difference between a pint of Guinness and a can or any pint for that matter.

Its like saying you can't taste the difference between a pint of Heineken and a can of Heineken.

Any pint for that matter. Put a large bottle of Ale and a point of Ale in front of me and could tell it apart in a second.

Same with regular Guinness drinkers.

L1011 · 06-06-2020 07:09PM

snoopboggybog wrote: »

I can easily tell the difference between a pint of Guinness and a can or any pint for that matter.

Its like saying you can't taste the difference between a pint of Heineken and a can of Heineken.

Any pint for that matter.

Pints of Heineken and cans of Heineken in Ireland are two different products made in two different breweries in two different countries. Pints are made in Cork, cans are made in Amsterdam.

For situations where its the same liquid - no, you can't. You just can't. You've convinced yourself otherwise and you have the sight crutch of the can to tell you to think so.

Do an actual double-blind test (this needs three people) and report back.

Anything done on sight allows your brain to convince itself of something that simply isn't there.

If you double-blind tested the three major Irish stouts it would be rather challenging to actually identify all three correctly. One is usually got right more than the others.

edit: actually found a taste testing, done by Irish people who would drink rather a lot of these beers so you can drop any 'they wouldn't know...' arguments immediately. It had a cat thrown amongst the pigeons by adding O'Haras

https://www.beoir.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=108:put-your-stout-where-your-mouth-is&catid=33:beoir-meets&Itemid=95

3 out of 9 got the stout right each time. Only slightly better than guesswork. Adding O'Haras could easily alter the results as its usually Murphys that you can get accurately.

snoopboggybog · 06-06-2020 07:20PM

L1011 wrote: »

Pints of Heineken and cans of Heineken in Ireland are two different products made in two different breweries in two different countries. Pints are made in Cork, cans are made in Amsterdam.

For situations where its the same liquid - no, you can't. You just can't. You've convinced yourself otherwise and you have the sight crutch of the can to tell you to think so.

Do an actual double-blind test (this needs three people) and report back.

Anything done on sight allows your brain to convince itself of something that simply isn't there.

One thing is that the pint of Guinness has a much better head than a can of Guinness and that is a fact due to the CO2 and Nitrogen used. Hence a better pint.

You might find this mad but I find a can of Guinness lighter to drink than a pint.

L1011 · 06-06-2020 07:22PM

snoopboggybog wrote: »

One thing is that the pint of Guinness has a much better head than a can of Guinness and that is a fact due to the CO2 and Nitrogen used. Hence a better pint.

You are aware of what's in the widget, right?

You've fallen for the hoodoo. The draught has a better head if you don't pour the can right.

snoopboggybog · 06-06-2020 07:23PM

L1011 wrote: »

You are aware of what's in the widget, right?

You've fallen for the hoodoo. The draught has a better head if you don't pour the can right.

Yes Nitrogen, still find pints better and heavier to drink from a Keg with the proper lines.

There just not the same.

Its like Smithwicks, but a large bottle/can and a pint in front of me. I will tell the difference 100% of the time.

L1011 · 06-06-2020 07:24PM

snoopboggybog wrote: »

Yes Nitrogen, still find pints better and heavier to drink.

There just not the same.

Its like Smithwicks, but a large bottle/can and a pint in front of me. I will tell the difference 100% of the time.

Bet you can't if you can't see which was which - because basically nobody can.

Poured by someone competent and handed to you by someone who hasn't a clue which is which so can't give you any subliminal suggestions - that is very important as single blinded trials always show more bias than double blinded.

snoopboggybog · 06-06-2020 07:25PM

L1011 wrote: »

Bet you can't if you can't see which was which - because basically nobody can.

Are you now telling me now that Large bottles of Smitwicks and pints I wouldn't be able to tell them apart? Seriously?

L1011 · 06-06-2020 07:27PM

snoopboggybog wrote: »

Are you now telling me now that Large bottles of Smitwicks and pints of it taste exactly the same?

If at an equal temperature and poured competently, yes. Its the same liquid. And I'd drink quite a bit of Smithwicks when pubs are open.

You seeing which is which is going to impact what you think.

That the draught will usually be colder in a pub gives you a very easy way to 'tell'

Big Brand names whose products are way overrated

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