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dennyire

Esel wrote: »

Large bottle off the shelf - your only man.

The Aul Danno

JohnnyFlash

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Find that very surprising. I drink canned Guinness the odd time but it’s never, ever, been anywhere near the “pub pulled” version.

Even the look of it, the bubbles in the head.

I don’t mean to cash “aspersions” but is it possible that the pints in that pub are muck? Maybe the “lines” have been neglected for awhile?

The only time draught Guinness would come close to canned is when you’re in some hotel “function room” that, probably, hasn’t been used in months.

Should be no bubbles in the head of a properly poured can of stout, Emmet. Your technique must be off.

c.p.w.g.w

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Find that very surprising. I drink canned Guinness the odd time but it’s never, ever, been anywhere near the “pub pulled” version.

Even the look of it, the bubbles in the head.

I don’t mean to cash “aspersions” but is it possible that the pints in that pub are muck? Maybe the “lines” have been neglected for awhile?

The only time draught Guinness would come close to canned is when you’re in some hotel “function room” that, probably, hasn’t been used in months.

The pub in question had a good reputation for pints of the Black stuff...

The buddy who now has a PhD in psychology field, who works for a some marketing company in Oz. Said the setting/environment in which you consume certain things affect our perception...

Drinking a can of Guinness at home and drinking a can of Guinness in a small pub with a roaring fire are two very different environments and can affect how we perceive it...

EmmetSpiceland

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Should be no bubbles in the head of a properly poured can of stout, Emmet. Your technique must be off.

Don’t go preaching your “inverted” nonsense now, J. You tilt, tilt, tilt both your glass and the can.

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

The pub in question had a good reputation for pints of the Black stuff...

The buddy who now has a PhD in psychology field, who works for a some marketing company in Oz. Said the setting/environment in which you consume certain things affect our perception...

Drinking a can of Guinness at home and drinking a can of Guinness in a small pub with a roaring fire are two very different environments and can affect how we perceive it...

Have to say, I’m very surprised by that. I’ll bow to, superior, scientific knowledge but I’ll still keep to trusting my own taste buds.

It’s the same with that bloody dress that was about a few years back. You’ll never convince me it’s blue and black when it is, quite clearly, white and gold.

Some people even “enjoy” eating cucumber. Can you imagine that?

c.p.w.g.w

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

Its funny you say that...

My buddy ran a pub a few years back, all the regular Guinness drinkers were saying they could tell the difference between a can/draught etc

So one night before it got busy, they did a blind taste test(with 3 of these lads)...they all said that they were tricked, as both pints they tasted were from the tap...both pints were from cans...

I simply don't believe these stories, a regular Guinness drinker could simply not think a can and draught pint are the same. They are a totally different drink, even the smell is different as I said.

My father is drinking Guinness longer than most here are alive, would go to the local 2 or 3 times a week and only ever drinks Guinness but he wouldn't even look at a can, I think they are drinkable even though they aren't great but he would refuse to drink them as he thinks they are pure dirt. No way on earth can a person claim something that is so different can not be told apart in a blind taste test.

I had another poster try to claim before that a person wouldn't tell the different between Guinness and Murphys in a blind taste test, where as I could not only tell the difference but if you gave me a pint of Murphys, Beamish and Guinness I would tell you which was which with ease. Murphys is rotten so easy to tell and beamish has a distinct coffee taste so easy to tell, Guinness is just delicious then of course.

MonkstownHoop

Sultan of Bling wrote: »

It's gone a long time. Don't think it did well sales wise but have to admit I did actually like it.

Sacrilege, I know!

Some great nights had in a local pub when watching midweek games when they were trialing new ones, pub near empty and you'd get about 6 free pints

cj maxx

Paris Skinny Wallpaper wrote: »

Between a can of Guinness and draught Guinness? Are you joking? It would be as different to me as if you gave me a pint of coke and a pint of milk and claimed I couldn’t tell the difference. There is absolutely no comparison in taste or texture between a can of Guinness and a pint of Guinness on draught.

To be honest I would tell you by looking at them and by smelling them before ever tasting.

Blind tests done on people,ie where you can't see what you're drinking , show people can't tell beers apart on taste alone, or even texture. Idk

kenmc

Feisar wrote: »

The biggest lie/marketing scam about Guinness is that it’s somehow intrinsically Irish. A Protestant landlord brewer went over to London and came back with a stout recipe. Stout isn’t an Irish invention. Guinness wouldn’t even employ a Catholic in a management position until 1972, when I believe they were forced to.

And is owned by Diagio, an English company. The only thing Irish about it is that it's brewed in Dublin. But so is bud, carlsberg, and Heineken is brewed in cork, so they're Irish too right?

JohnnyFlash

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

one thing i have found with IPA's is Cascade Hops...Some IPA's seem to have a good blend...But some are loaded with Cascade Hops and i just find the flavour unpalatable...

Galway Hooker & Proper Job seem to both use Cascade, but for me the Proper Job has too much of it...

I love that Galway Hooker stuff. It's easy to find in pubs in Galway and Dublin, and it's low in alcohol but has a lovely taste. Would sometimes order it instead of Guinness if I was only having 5 or 6.

Big variation in price for it I've found. My local in Dublin sells it for €5.20 a pint, but one place in town wanted to charge me €6.80 for the same thing.

odyssey06

kenmc wrote: »

And is owned by Diagio, an English company. The only thing Irish about it is that it's brewed in Dublin. But so is bud, carlsberg, and Heineken is brewed in cork, so they're Irish too right?

Guinness was born in Ireland though, unlike the rest of the beers named.

Is Jameson a French whiskey?

L1011

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

The pub in question had a good reputation for pints of the Black stuff...

The buddy who now has a PhD in psychology field, who works for a some marketing company in Oz. Said the setting/environment in which you consume certain things affect our perception...

Drinking a can of Guinness at home and drinking a can of Guinness in a small pub with a roaring fire are two very different environments and can affect how we perceive it...

This is a massive factor in it. Take a look at every Dublin pub that has a reputation for a "great pint" and notice that these things are almost always there:

* Edwardian (1910s) or older interior fitout
* A bit dark
* Have fireplaces
* Often still have uniformed staff members

Not one bit of that is going to actually change the taste of the liquid in the glass; but its all going to sway people regardless.

Then the mythology builds up, we see it above with the "me father..." stuff. Are people aware that the Guinness their grandfathers or particularly aged fathers drank in the 50s was barely comparable at all to the current draught version?

EmmetSpiceland

odyssey06 wrote: »

Guinness was born in Ireland though, unlike the rest of the beers named.

Apparently, the Protestant Anglo-Irish don’t count as “Irish” to some on here.

Feisar

odyssey06 wrote: »

Guinness was born in Ireland though, unlike the rest of the beers named.

Is Jameson a French whiskey?

Arthur Guinness who was originally brewing an ale went over to London and came back with a stout recipe which became Guinness.

Beechwoodspark

L1011 wrote: »

This is a massive factor in it. Take a look at every Dublin pub that has a reputation for a "great pint" and notice that these things are almost always there:

* Edwardian (1910s) or older interior fitout
* A bit dark
* Have fireplaces
* Often still have uniformed staff members

Not one bit of that is going to actually change the taste of the liquid in the glass; but its all going to sway people regardless.

Then the mythology builds up, we see it above with the "me father..." stuff. Are people aware that the Guinness their grandfathers or particularly aged fathers drank in the 50s was barely comparable at all to the current draught version?

Mulligans is great for stout but def doesn’t fall under your description

L1011

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Mulligans is great for stout but def doesn’t fall under your description

Mulligans fits the age, the dark and the barmen wearing uniforms. I can't remember if there's fireplaces.

Beechwoodspark

L1011 wrote: »

Mulligans fits the age, the dark and the barmen wearing uniforms. I can't remember if there's fireplaces.

They don’t wear uniforms. They wear casual clothes

L1011

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

They don’t wear uniforms. They wear casual clothes

Shirt and tie is what I remember them wearing. That may have changed. That's the traditional barman uniform - I don't mean branded polo shirts!

Doesn't avoid the age and the dark. Mulligans 100% falls in to the pub that people would say had great pints even if it was serving the slops tray to you.

JohnnyFlash

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

They don’t wear uniforms. They wear casual clothes

One or two of them wear a chip on their shoulder as well.

murpho999

Feisar wrote: »

The biggest lie/marketing scam about Guinness is that it’s somehow intrinsically Irish. A Protestant landlord brewer went over to London and came back with a stout recipe. Stout isn’t an Irish invention. Guinness wouldn’t even employ a Catholic in a management position until 1972, when I believe they were forced to.

So according to you a business that was founded in Dublin is not Irish?

Also, you're confusing nationality with religion. Protestant does not mean not Irish.

Guinness is an Irish product through and through, it doesn't matter who owns the company now or where the recipe came from.

They don't claim to have invented stout but it is associated with Ireland even in London.

Lots of drinks and foods are now owned by businesses from other countries without losing their identity so what's the problem with it.

Aer Lingus and Penneys are still seen as Irish too.

I just don't get what your problem is.

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Take this Guinness sh1te to PM. No one cares, 10 pages of the same crap FFS.

Feisar

murpho999 wrote: »

So according to you a business that was founded in Dublin is not Irish?

Also, you're confusing nationality with religion. Protestant does not mean not Irish.

Guinness is an Irish product through and through, it doesn't matter who owns the company now or where the recipe came from.

They don't claim to have invented stout but it is associated with Ireland even in London.

Lots of drinks and foods are now owned by businesses from other countries without losing their identity so what's the problem with it.

Aer Lingus and Penneys are still seen as Irish too.

I just don't get what your problem is.

Absolutely no problem!

I know Protestant does not mean not Irish. The second generation landed gentry were hardly salt of the earth Irish though.

An awful lot of people seem to think Guinness is intrinsically Irish which it's not.

I'll take yer point that I've over egged it a bit though.

murpho999

Feisar wrote: »

Absolutely no problem!

I know Protestant does not mean not Irish. The second generation landed gentry were hardly salt of the earth Irish though.

An awful lot of people seem to think Guinness is intrinsically Irish which it's not.

I'll take yer point that I've over egged it a bit though.

But it is and I don't see how it isn't.

odyssey06

If Guinness isn't Irish what is?

Sultan of Bling

FFVII wrote:

Take this Guinness sh1te to PM. No one cares, 10 pages of the same crap FFS.

You think it's bad here. You should read the madeline mccann
thread. They're arguing over there about what's a hotel and what's not.

Feisar

murpho999 wrote: »

But it is and I don't see how it isn't.

Ireland didn't invent stout

It's like making a Peking Duck in Dublin and calling it Irish.

odyssey06

Feisar wrote: »

Ireland didn't invent stout
It's like making a Peking Duck in Dublin and calling it Irish.

If I drink a wine made in California with Chardonnay (a french grape) I'm drinking a Californian wine. Nobody says it's a French wine.
They might even talk about a Californian style of Chardonnay.

I think what you are saying is that Stout isn't Irish.
And so Guinness isn't an intrinsically Irish style of beer.
And some people think it is.

But ... even taking that into account - Guinness is still an Irish beer.

bennyineire

Feisar wrote: »

Ireland didn't invent stout

It's like making a Peking Duck in Dublin and calling it Irish.

No it's not even near,

Dry Irish Stout is recognised as it's own beer style, it may have had it's roots from London Porter but they are 2 different distinct styles of beer are per the BJCP beer style guide.

Guinness, Murphys and Beamish are all classic examples of the Dry Irish stout style. All 3 are different beers and do taste different but they are still within the style guidelines

Feisar

odyssey06 wrote: »

If I drink a wine made in California with Chardonnay (a french grape) I'm drinking a Californian wine. Nobody says it's a French wine.
They might even talk about a Californian style of Chardonnay.

I think what you are saying is that Stout isn't Irish.
And so Guinness isn't an intrinsically Irish style of beer.
And some people think it is.

But ... even taking that into account - Guinness is still an Irish beer.

Point accepted, Guinness is Irish. Someone call 'em up I'm sure they'll be delighted to know!

Feisar

bennyineire wrote: »

No it's not even near,

Dry Irish Stout is recognised as it's own beer style, it may have had it's roots from London Porter but they are 2 different distinct styles of beer are per the BJCP beer style guide.

Guinness, Murphys and Beamish are all classic examples of the Dry Irish stout style. All 3 are different beers and do taste different but they are still within the style guidelines

Thanks for that. Always nice to learn.

Alter_Ego

Snails pace wrote: »

Toyota Land Cruiser, a totally over rated jeep.

Mazda cars, their absolutely brutal. Constant engine poblems with them

John Deere, they used to be value for money now their way over priced.

That's because everyone here buys them with the wrong engine. Their diesels are shoite, petrols are fine.