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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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  • #2162
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,888 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    Cinemas, gyms, swimming pool, pubs the list feels endless.

    Hopefully though, tomorrows announcement + large retailers allowed to open will accelerate things dramatically.

    To be honest I can see it being like Christmas week in the shops (With blessed social distancing!). I think people’s fear of the virus is unravelling at a rapid pace. They’re starting to realise buying a pair of socks in Penney’s won’t kill them as they’ve been doing in Dunnes for three months and not died yet.
    My gym is ready for opening next week with all outdoor classes. The lockdown is collapsing in on itself now. Shopping centres will follow very quickly such will be the pressure- in some way I like to see the High st reopening first as they’ll have an edge and predominantly Irish owned or local stores. Shopping centres tend to be all chains so not that worried for them


  • #2163
    ednwireland
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,742 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    Penneys will not reopen on Monday despite expected changes to lockdown rules
    Retailer said it would not trade until it was safe for staff and customers to do so

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/retail-and-services/penneys-will-not-reopen-on-monday-despite-expected-changes-to-lockdown-rules-1.4271041

    My weather

    https://www.ecowitt.net/home/share?authorize=96CT1F



  • #2164
    Penfailed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,695 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    prunudo wrote: »
    How, construction is only back 2 and half weeks. The guidelines keep changing and even up to the last few days we've told we might not go phase 2 let alone speed up. I'm amazed how people think opening is as simple as flicking a switch.

    I'm not sure what construction has got to do with it? If businesses haven't been planning to reopen and putting systems in place, even when told that the phasing may move forward then it's a fault of their own making.

    Gigs '24 - Ben Ottewell and Ian Ball (Gomez), The Jesus & Mary Chain, The Smashing Pumpkins/Weezer, Pearl Jam, Green Day, Stendhal Festival, Forest Fest, Electric Picnic, Pixies, Ride, Therapy?, Public Service Broadcasting, IDLES, And So I Watch You From Afar

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  • #2165
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,888 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    polesheep wrote: »
    Two massive unofficial summer camps have been taking place near me every morning for the past three weeks or more. Stating that playgrounds can reopen on Monday demonstrates just how far behind the public the government is.

    There’s why number of stuff going on now. Especially hair and beauty. When you create ridiculous scenarios people find a way. You’d imagine with our history of contraception etc donkeys in charge would know that


  • #2166
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,888 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    ednwireland wrote: »
    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/retail-and-services/penneys-will-not-reopen-on-monday-despite-expected-changes-to-lockdown-rules-1.4271041

    Bull... more like the majority of staff are casual part timers better off on the €350 and they are struggling to round them up. Good news for local small retailers anyhow, more if the market to themselves. Penney’s won’t be long though I bet they’re flat out getting ready behind the scenes and had been blindsided by this. Much easier for a smaller retailer reopen fast as they have that flexibility a large behemoth wouldn’t have.


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  • #2167
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,176 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Penfailed wrote: »
    I'm not sure what construction has got to do with it? If businesses haven't been planning to reopen and putting systems in place, even when told that the phasing may move forward then it's a fault of their own making.

    Ah now your trolling, in order to get shops up to spec you need tradesmen and building suppliers, you know the ones who have only been back to work 2 and half weeks.


  • #2168
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    The Ikea/homewards typo was a massive negative signal to business. They do not trust the Government - business need certainty and why invest in protection, train staff, order in new stock, arrange security for queuing etc etc then to find out there was a mistake. Then you have the Taoiseach and Government Ministers laughing about curtains and tweeting radio shows curtains are not necessary.


  • #2169
    Penfailed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,695 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    prunudo wrote: »
    Ah now your trolling, in order to get shops up to spec you need tradesmen and building suppliers, you know the ones who have only been back to work 2 and half weeks.

    Seriously? How did all the shops that didn't close at all manage to do it?

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  • #2170
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,888 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    MickeyLeari wrote: »
    The Ikea/homewards typo was a massive negative signal to business. They do not trust the Government - business need certainty and why invest in protection, train staff, order in new stock, arrange security for queuing etc etc then to find out there was a mistake. Then you have the Taoiseach and Government Ministers laughing about curtains and tweeting radio shows curtains are not necessary.

    Well more fool them for going along with nonsense. Home-store and more I don’t know wtf they were playing at. Open the whole store and tell them to shove it where the sun don’t shine. The council won’t be so reticent when the rates bill is due or Revenue with the VAT.
    Businesses would want to learn a good lesson from this fiasco and strengthen their representative bodies as their interests were sacrificed very unnecessarily


  • #2171
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,176 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Penfailed wrote: »
    Seriously? How did all the shops that didn't close at all manage to do it?

    They either did it before March 29th or if the shop was deemed an essential service, work could be cared out.


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  • #2172
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,888 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Penfailed wrote: »
    Seriously? How did all the shops that didn't close at all manage to do it?

    Because it was very much an evolving situation and they had management/ staff on site all the time to oversee. If your staff are all laid off it’s very hard to get plans implemented quickly and it would be easier read tealeaves than go off the cautious crap and whims Tony and the muppet show in government spew.


  • #2173
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    MickeyLeari wrote: »
    The Ikea/homewards typo was a massive negative signal to business. They do not trust the Government - business need certainty and why invest in protection, train staff, order in new stock, arrange security for queuing etc etc then to find out there was a mistake. Then you have the Taoiseach and Government Ministers laughing about curtains and tweeting radio shows curtains are not necessary.

    Curtains must be top priority in some households I’d say some people have them twitched off the poles


  • #2174
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,888 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    retro:electro wrote: »
    Curtains must be top priority in some households I’d say some people have them twitched off the poles

    Ah the aul Covid twitchers surely won’t be risking it until at least late August? Second deadly wave and all that...


  • #2175
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    road_high wrote: »
    Ah the aul Covid twitchers surely won’t be risking it until at least late August? Second deadly wave and all that...

    Probably happy with them off altogether actually yeah. That way they can get a good look


  • #2176
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,257 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    I'm more of a blinds man to be honest.


  • #2177
    Dr. Bre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,853 ✭✭✭Dr. Bre


    Arghus wrote: »
    I'm more of a blinds man to be honest.

    Curtains or blinds which are much easier to spy from ?


  • #2178
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


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  • #2179
    Charles Babbage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,537 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    castletownman wrote: »
    Tony Holohan really let his mask slip with his condemnation of people having house partys. Now I wouldn't be in favour of them myself, but it's a deflection tactic by him to criticise the general public, when it was his department that are wholly at fault for the nursing homes fiasco.

    Those in glass houses and all that. And I would hazard a guess that no-one who has been at house party over the weekend will end up contracting the virus anyway as it is more or less dead in the general community.


    Don't be ridiculous. Whatever mistakes were made in the past it is the delinquents now that are the issue. Two wrongs do not make a right.


  • #2180
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,153 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    If businessess don't have to pay wages, pay for supplies, electricity bills etc at the moment.

    Then why are people claiming if they don't open up soon they will go bust?

    They have no outgoings at the moment only rent if they don't own the building.

    What is this scaremongering about pubs cafes etc going bust if they can't open soon?????


  • #2181
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,888 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    If businessess don't have to pay wages, pay for supplies, electricity bills etc at the moment.

    Then why are people claiming if they don't open up soon they will go bust?

    They have no outgoings at the moment only rent if they don't own the building.

    What is this scaremongering about pubs cafes etc going bust if they can't open soon?????

    Jesus Christ easy known someone never had a hand in running a business. Clueless doesn’t begin to describe this synopsis


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  • #2182
    fleet_admiral
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭fleet_admiral


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    If businessess don't have to pay wages, pay for supplies, electricity bills etc at the moment.

    Then why are people claiming if they don't open up soon they will go bust?

    They have no outgoings at the moment only rent if they don't own the building.

    What is this scaremongering about pubs cafes etc going bust if they can't open soon?????

    Dear God. Go back and play with you're crayons. Don't eat them though


  • #2183
    Flickerfusion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 242 ✭✭Flickerfusion


    There’s going to be a big issue if the stimulus packages don’t coincide with the reopening.

    Businesses have been disrupted for months and there’s very likely to be a limit to consumer confidence, beyond an initial surge, particularly if people are concerned about an impending recession both here and more globally.

    I think people commentating are really not grasping how serious this is from an economic point of view.

    What’s concerning me is stimulus packages both in Ireland and at EU level still seem to be abstract discussions in a lot of cases.


  • #2184
    CruelSummer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,337 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    The recent news from Wuhan mass testing is extremely positive, I have yet to hear our medical professionals or media in Ireland give it a mention. Only 300 cases found in 10 million tests, with all being asymptomatic and they didn’t pass it to their close contacts. The virus is dying out, Italian doctors have also mentioned this, and now some doctors in the US. We should be expediting the reopening wholesale now and fast.
    Instead we get Sam McConkey in The Journal saying schools might not reopen fully until November?! When some European schools have been reopening since April/May?! Where do these doctors get their data? Mortgage breaks from banks will be finishing soon, the day in the sun for NPHET should be long gone if we had a government with any desire to actually lead.


  • #2185
    Sheep_shear
    Closed Accounts Posts: 138 ✭✭Sheep_shear


    CruelSummer wrote: »
    The recent news from Wuhan mass testing is extremely positive, I have yet to hear our medical professionals or media in Ireland give it a mention. Only 300 cases found in 10 million tests, with all being asymptomatic and they didn’t pass it to their close contacts.

    I think the media ignore it because no-one really believes anything coming out of China. I hope it is dying out, I'll wait to see info from more believable countries though.


  • #2186
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    CruelSummer wrote: »
    The recent news from Wuhan mass testing is extremely positive, I have yet to hear our medical professionals or media in Ireland give it a mention. Only 300 cases found in 10 million tests, with all being asymptomatic and they didn’t pass it to their close contacts. The virus is dying out, Italian doctors have also mentioned this, and now some doctors in the US. We should be expediting the reopening wholesale now and fast.
    Instead we get Sam McConkey in The Journal saying schools might not reopen fully until November?! When some European schools have been reopening since April/May?! Where do these doctors get their data? Mortgage breaks from banks will be finishing soon, the day in the sun for NPHET should be long gone if we had a government with any desire to actually lead.

    Can you tell me a mechanism where are less virulent strain of a virus would evolve in multiple places at the same time? The virus is not a hive. 1500 deaths in Brazil yesterday. Increasing trends all across Latam. Even increases being observed in the likes of Texas, Florida and Minnesota where deaths are at best plateauing if not increasing. As well as it is going in Europe, the virus will not disappear by itself and vigilance needs to remain as we return to normal.
    McConkey loves the sound of his own voice however and is painful on this


  • #2187
    ixoy
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,045 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    There's a pretty decent article on this on RTE:

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0604/1145529-coronavirus-roadmap/

    Some interesting highlights is it admitting how we're one of the slowest in Europe removing restrictions and how the 2m rule is going to be a massive challenge for some businesses.


  • #2188
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    The report estimates that in a best-case scenario, unemployment will fall from over 28% in the second quarter to 16% by the end of the year and to around 7% by the end of 2021.

    “Those unemployed in the wake of COVID-19 are disproportionately younger workers, who represent a high proportion of employees in retail, hospitality and tourism, the sectors worst affected by lockdown measures,” the Ibec report says.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/ibec-economic-forecast-5113913-Jun2020/

    IBEC.

    Pretty crappy best case scenario if you ask me, 16%+ unemployed until Jan 2021 at the earliest?

    2nd bit in bold explains all the house parties


  • #2189
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    castletownman wrote: »
    Tony Holohan really let his mask slip with his condemnation of people having house partys. Now I wouldn't be in favour of them myself, but it's a deflection tactic by him to criticise the general public, when it was his department that are wholly at fault for the nursing homes fiasco.

    Those in glass houses and all that. And I would hazard a guess that no-one who has been at house party over the weekend will end up contracting the virus anyway as it is more or less dead in the general community.
    Not really, it's part of his charm and nothing new! He's had a go at people before - the public getting ahead of them, the poor old Bulgarians and a dig at those not filling out the forms at airports.


  • #2190
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    retro:electro wrote: »
    It’s actually crazy that they are to announce this tomorrow evening and expect business who have been closed for 3 months to be ready to reopen on Monday. Now don’t get me wrong I’m all for it and it’s great news, but a bit more notice for people would be great and not leave them til last minute to get things in order for reopening. Especially for chain stores that will need to totally rearrange the store to comply with social distancing measures. The whole thing is shambolic.
    It's very doubtful this has just come out of the blue. Any type of well-run business would have been planning for this anyway. Office-based companies have been looking at this question for weeks.


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  • #2191
    ixoy
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,045 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    is_that_so wrote: »
    It's very doubtful this has just come out of the blue. Any type of well-run business would have been planning for this anyway. Office-based companies have been looking at this question for weeks.
    It's different for office-based companies who can do things like rotas whilst still having people work from home.

    Shops though need to maximise the number of customers they can safely handle and that's tougher. In some cases I imagine it could be things such as perspex - there's a big demand on it, and probably some shops have orders in that won't be fulfilled yet because of a backlog and that their target date was a few weeks away.
    Or how to manage the layout of the floor which itself requires staff to go in safely and re-organise shelves, displays, etc.

    Others were presumably waiting to see if there was any budge on the 2m rule before doing a lot of this too as it'd make a huge difference to how they can operate.


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