Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings

Ginger n Lemon · 03-06-2020 04:50PM

VonLuck wrote: »

I find it interesting how your post was completely ignored. People here seem to be in their own world thinking everyone is out of lockdown mode despite the surveys continually saying otherwise.

Those are surveys conducted by govt or on behalf of govt to find out how a small sample of population feels about our speed of lifting restrictions.

People didnt respond as they have sense and know that its very similar to an employee engagement survey most workplaces conduct every year where no matter how low you rate your company responses are always 70 - 80 % positive.

03-06-2020 04:50PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

6.1 billion deficit for May, but let's drag out the reopening.

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1268183596399038465?s=19

And yet you still have people saying incredible things like "What difference is a few more months going to make?".

vid36 · 03-06-2020 04:51PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Could they?

Maybe

Would they revoke all licences?

Not a hope in hell they would

Most bars will not open that day unless the government changes its advice.

Irish Aris · 03-06-2020 04:51PM

ixoy wrote: »

Interesting reading and certainly a potential template for here although outdoor eating will be a challenge given our climate and tiny paths.

The 1m distancing thing is crucial enough as well and far more workable than 2m.

Very important point on the 1m vs 2m distance - especially for public transport. With the current 2m social distancing I reckon most public transport operates at a fraction of the capacity - maybe somewhere between 10% and 25%? Definitely not sustainable for much longer.

I still think that the powers that be should consider social distancing and masks together.

growleaves · 03-06-2020 04:54PM

I know plenty of people who support the restrictions but have broken them when it suited. Double-talk abounds.

vid36 · 03-06-2020 04:54PM

Belgium is another country along with Netherlands, Germany, Australia and Poland to open bars and restaurants with 1.5m distancing.
I have no idea how the whole debate here became polarised between 1 and 2m.It shows how effective lobbying can be.

end of the road · 03-06-2020 04:55PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Those are surveys conducted by govt or on behalf of govt to find out how a small sample of population feels about our speed of lifting restrictions.

People didnt respond as they have sense and know that its very similar to an employee engagement survey most workplaces conduct every year where no matter how low you rate your company responses are always 70 - 80 % positive.

even if that be the case, it still ultimately a reliable survey and it's findings ultimately count.

Irish Aris · 03-06-2020 05:03PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Those are surveys conducted by govt or on behalf of govt to find out how a small sample of population feels about our speed of lifting restrictions.

People didn't respond as they have sense and know that its very similar to an employee engagement survey most workplaces conduct every year where no matter how low you rate your company responses are always 70 - 80 % positive.

I agree that there is a margin of error (for lack of a better word) but it gives an indication of where things stand.
Talking to colleagues, many of them would fall in that middle ground of "the pace is just fine". I would say though that most of them have a lifestyle that for the most part "agrees" with many of these restrictions - i.e. the vast majority of their everyday life would be within a few kilometres of where they live + and now they have the extra advantage of being able to work from home. So personal circumstances definitely play a part. For example for me the pace is extremely slow because I wasn't commuting anyway (my work is a 10-minute walk from my apartment) but the rest of my life takes place outside of the 20km radius. So on a survey like that, I would always answer that the restrictions are lifted very slowly.

I am more intrigued that % is up on the "too quickly" bracket. . .

On your comment on employee surveys, not sure they are comparable. I have to complete a survey like that every year and the wording of questions usually pushes towards positive answers.

uli84 · 03-06-2020 05:08PM

Is there any chance Harris could be taken off the scene? He’s delusional.

03-06-2020 05:08PM

Tipperary Publican intends opening June 29th. https://www.tipperarylive.ie/news/home/547354/tipperary-publican-to-open-for-business-ahead-of-government-date-set-for-opening-public-houses.html

“ County Tipperary publican John Harney has called time on inconsistent restrictions as he plans to reopen his public house in Ballyclerihan, Clonmel, Co. Tipperary on June 29th ahead of the proposed date for reopening public houses set by the government.

Harney’s Final Furlong is situated in the village of Ballyclerihan, 9km from Clonmel where John and his wife Siobhan revamped and opened their pub in July 2018. The pub has been closed since March 15th with the proposed date for reopening on August 10th as part of Phase 5 of the Government’s roadmap to reopening the country.

Mr. Harney said “I sat at home last night and watched the news and I couldn’t believe what I was hearing. Liz Canavan made no reference to the thousands of people who marched for Black Lives Matter in Dublin on Bank Holiday Monday with little or no social distancing as she spoke to the nation like we were all born yesterday, praising our efforts. Meanwhile, Dr. Tony Holohan wh en questioned if participants should self-isolate following the demonstration, he confirmed the disease and transmission level is at a point where public health advice is sufficient and if people have been at events this weekend and experience symptoms just speak to your GP, so I have had enough. The people of this country have done an amazing job and flattened the curve and it’s time we all got back to work and embrace this new normal. My pub will open on the 29th of June and I hope other publicans will join me. Harney’s Final Furlong is more than capable of opening and serving our loyal customers in a safe manner with ample indoor space and outdoor seating facilities. The well-known bookmaker turned publican commented on his frustration stating “I have adhered to all the advice personally, 2km, 5km etc. I cancelled all live music and parties at the pub prior to the mandatory closing in the early stages of the pandemic, however, I feel that the proposed reopening guidelines are completely unjust, my pub is bigger than many of the restaurants nationwide that are set to open on June 29th. We are happy that we can implement social distancing and provide a safe service to our customers and I cannot fathom how the guidelines are industry-specific rather than venue appropriate. I have been in business all my life and it simply makes no sense at all and quite frankly I’ve had enough.” he said.”

ednwireland · 03-06-2020 05:10PM

uli84 wrote: »

Is there any chance Harris could be taken off the scene? He’s delusional.

pretty sure thats impossible until the formation of a new government, hes there until at least then.

keane2097 · 03-06-2020 05:16PM

"I cannot fathom how the guidelines are industry-specific rather than venue appropriate"

That's a fairly slam-dunk line in fairness.

03-06-2020 05:20PM

Not enough people are really suffering enough right now to end the support of the lockdown. Every office worker working from home is still earning a full salary with little to spend it on. In a lot of cases, the Covid payment is more than people were getting previously. Nobody is really spending time or money commuting. People are not paying for childcare. If you want a pay break for your mortgage or loans, you will get it.
The hospitals are quieter than ever. Garda have nothing to do other than ask people were they are going. kids are delighted having no school.

Many people are living the dream right now. But of course its completely unsustainable. We're racking up a huge bill everyday we continue this.

There is literally an avalanche of issues lying ahead in the fallout. Back in February, lots of people were saying that things couldn't possibly get any worse in this country. Wonder if they'll still feel that way in Feb 2021 or 2022?

growleaves · 03-06-2020 05:20PM

On March 16th, Tony Holohan said 'the next seven days' were 'vital' and 'now is the time' to flatten the curve.

When the proper shutdown began on March 23rd, businesses had signs up saying 'See you on March 29th'.

A huge number of people will support the government no matter what they do. Either way I still think it is an extreme policy and the wrong one.

uli84 · 03-06-2020 05:23PM

growleaves wrote: »

On March 16th, Tony Holohan said 'the next seven days' were 'vital' and 'now is the time' to flatten the curve.

When the proper shutdown began on March 23rd, businesses had signs up saying 'See you on March 29th'.

A huge number of people will support the government no matter what they do. Either way I still think it is an extreme policy and the wrong one.

Yes, i also still remember promises of opening up shortly after Easter and I believed them, how naive of me.

03-06-2020 05:29PM

There is headline on social media saying “Number of SUSPECTED cases in hospital increases”.

A woman commented that it’s 1 step forward and 5 steps back....

Got lots of likes.

This is what we are up against.

Micky 32 · 03-06-2020 05:31PM

uli84 wrote: »

Is there any chance Harris could be taken off the scene? He’s delusional.

Just overheard him on the radio, by the tone of his voice you’d swear he’s loving the power trip. All you can hear is“if’s” and “hopefully’s”. He’s not budging from the 20km “if” we go to phase 2.

KrustyUCC · 03-06-2020 05:43PM

Harris not for turning in relation to travel

https://www.thejournal.ie/simon-harris-20km-restrictions-5113798-Jun2020/

Even Italy is fully open

What a bloody joke we are

Ginger n Lemon · 03-06-2020 05:47PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Harris not for turning in relation to travel

https://www.thejournal.ie/simon-harris-20km-restrictions-5113798-Jun2020/

Even Italy is fully open

What a bloody joke we are

Below is most infuriating. I believe total ICU capacity is 338 or 358 beds.

"THE NUMBER OF confirmed cases of Covid-19 in intensive care units around the country has fallen to 36, according to the latest figures.

The peak number of patients requiring ICU care occurred on 4 April, with 160 people in intensive care beds. There were 70 people in ICU when the lockdown restrictions were introduced. "

We basically have a 90% or so empty ICU capacity. and yet Simon is dreading the spread of disease for f*ck sakes.

3 deaths 47 new cases. 3rd week in a row new cases in double digits.

Think 4/7 last days deaths in single digits. And days when its double digits they count March deaths. I am out of here...

frillyleaf · 03-06-2020 05:48PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Harris not for turning in relation to travel

https://www.thejournal.ie/simon-harris-20km-restrictions-5113798-Jun2020/

Even Italy is fully open

What a bloody joke we are

I wonder does Italy have a better capacity to deal with covid in hospitals compared to Ireland. I say that’s what it really boils down to.

03-06-2020 05:48PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Harris not for turning in relation to travel

https://www.thejournal.ie/simon-harris-20km-restrictions-5113798-Jun2020/

Even Italy is fully open

What a bloody joke we are

Italy were ahead of us in lockdown and in actual infection, so naturally they are ahead of us in lifting restrictions.

frillyleaf · 03-06-2020 05:49PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

There is headline on social media saying “Number of SUSPECTED cases in hospital increases”.

A woman commented that it’s 1 step forward and 5 steps back....

Got lots of likes.

This is what we are up against.

I don’t understand this post

frillyleaf · 03-06-2020 05:50PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Below is most infuriating. I believe total ICU capacity is 338 or 358 beds.

"THE NUMBER OF confirmed cases of Covid-19 in intensive care units around the country has fallen to 36, according to the latest figures.

The peak number of patients requiring ICU care occurred on 4 April, with 160 people in intensive care beds. There were 70 people in ICU when the lockdown restrictions were introduced. "

We basically have a 90% or so empty ICU capacity. and yet Simon is dreading the spread of disease for f*ck sakes.

3 deaths 47 new cases. 3rd week in a row new cases in double digits.

Think 4/7 last days deaths in single digits. And days when its double digits they count March deaths. I am out of here...

I would think it’s more to do with admissions than just ICU’s.

greensheep777 · 03-06-2020 05:51PM

frillyleaf wrote: »

I wonder does Italy have a better capacity to deal with covid in hospitals compared to Ireland. I say that’s what it really boils down to.

Double the ICU beds per 100k people. 12.5 in Italy versus 6.5 in Ireland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_hospital_beds

KrustyUCC · 03-06-2020 05:55PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Italy were ahead of us in lockdown and in actual infection, so naturally they are ahead of us in lifting restrictions.

There's 6 weeks 5 days left to July 20th

No way we were ever that far behind Italy

Ginger n Lemon · 03-06-2020 05:57PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

There's 6 weeks 5 days left to July 20th

No way we were ever that far behind Italy

Well, given that you can get pints in Italy today, there is 8 weeks and 5 days to go until 10th of August.

There is no way we were bloody 2 months and 5 days behind Italy.

That NPHET and those incompetent journalism dropouts calling themselves health minister for health need to either get real or get out.

ixoy · 03-06-2020 05:58PM

greensheep777 wrote: »

Double the ICU beds per 100k people. 12.5 in Italy versus 6.5 in Ireland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_hospital_beds

Is that still the case though.

Lyle · 03-06-2020 06:02PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Below is most infuriating. I believe total ICU capacity is 338 or 358 beds.

"THE NUMBER OF confirmed cases of Covid-19 in intensive care units around the country has fallen to 36, according to the latest figures.

We basically have a 90% or so empty ICU capacity. and yet Simon is dreading the spread of disease for f*ck sakes.

Just for clarity on this, we have staff for 384 beds total.

There's currently 36 Covid cases (June 2nd) along with 229 other people in ICU for non-Covid ailments.

We have 117 empty beds, so 30.4% empty, not 90%.

Ginger n Lemon · 03-06-2020 06:05PM

Lyle wrote: »

Just for clarity on this, we have staff for 384 beds total.

There's currently 36 Covid cases (June 2nd) along with 229 other people in ICU for non-Covid ailments.

We have 117 empty beds, so 30.4% empty, not 90%.

Do you have a link for that?

60% ICU occupancy on a normal day doesnt sounds right.

growleaves · 03-06-2020 06:07PM

Italy locked down on March 9th, including full quarantine and shuttering of non-essential businesses.

In Ireland most things were closed down by March 20th. Official lockdown began March 23rd.

So we are 11-14 days behind in terms of restrictions. On that calculus we should be implementing Phase 4/5 in around ten days time.

On our current timetable we might enter Phase 2, hopefully, in five days time - if we meet the criteria. Bearing mind the criteria is not defined or, if it is defined, its a secret. Lol

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings