Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings

retro:electro · 02-06-2020 09:10PM

rob316 wrote: »

Not ****ing boo said by Leo about the protestors how utterly predictable. They have no clue how to reopen the country and have put all their trust in an over zealous CMO who's only consideration is the public health.
10 cases today and they are constantly expanding the testing criteria. Openly said you can't get this in the community. So why are we dragging this out? We never had a peak, a surge and restrictions have been lifted weeks and the numbers have continued to fall.

Does anyone in our government have the balls to consider the bigger picture?

I largely agree with you but just to clarify on the bolded, his only consideration is public health only in relation to Covid 19. There are a myriad of other public health concerns that are falling by the wayside as a result of this which is extremely concerning

Penfailed · 02-06-2020 09:10PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Well she’s a very bold woman isn’t she. At least we can say thank you for small mercy’s that we have you to put her back on the straight and narrow.

And she can thank you for defending her good name.

major bill · 02-06-2020 09:16PM

retro:electro wrote: »

I largely agree with you but just to clarify on the bolded, his only consideration is public health only in relation to Covid 19. There are a myriad of other public health concerns that are falling by the wayside as a result of this which is extremely concerning

And that is gonna have us in a bigger mess next year!! Simon Harris is a spoofer

fleet_admiral · 02-06-2020 09:20PM

rob316 wrote: »

Going by the roadmap I'm not meant to open until the 10th August (enclosed retail) but I'm opening Monday and I hope others do too. If the HSE or gardai want to shut me down be my guest.

Where are you so we can support you

zerosugarbuzz · 02-06-2020 09:21PM

rob316 wrote: »

Going by the roadmap I'm not meant to open until the 10th August (enclosed retail) but I'm opening Monday and I hope others do too. If the HSE or gardai want to shut me down be my guest.

Good for you, I hope it works out well for you

road_high · 02-06-2020 09:37PM

rob316 wrote: »

Going by the roadmap I'm not meant to open until the 10th August (enclosed retail) but I'm opening Monday and I hope others do too. If the HSE or gardai want to shut me down be my guest.

Delighted for you. Fcuking go for it and I wish you all the luck. I hope loads more follow you. What type of retailing are you in may I ask?

road_high · 02-06-2020 09:38PM

fleet_admiral wrote: »

Where are you so we can support you

#metoo

Beasty · 02-06-2020 09:40PM

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

Britain has handled this terribly the whole way through and hasn't suppressed the virus as much as us or other European nations, so aren't comparable. Why should NEPHET pay close attention to them instead of Denmark/Austria/Switzerland who have eased restrictions three weeks ago and are planning to lift them further? Surely they should be taking their que from documented evidence of those who have gone before?

Britain may not have handled this well, and England in particular are being accused by scientists of opening things up too quickly. If they have a relapse with infections taking off again in 3 weeks time do you think that would encourage or discourage NEPHET to accelerate the lifting of restrictions here?

If England keeps this under control it would create an ever starker comparison with Ireland and would put pressure on Ireland (North and South) to lift restrictions

And whatever you think of "Britain", NI does come out very well in all of this. I think Britain missed the chance that Ireland grabbed to take advantage of the sea border and limit transmission of this virus. We had a bit longer to prepare, but the same could be said of Britain and, frankly, they blew it (probably as much to do with Boris' ego as anything)

road_high · 02-06-2020 09:41PM

“Quote: Idbatterim
I get the the impression varadkar and holohan could tell half of you to walk off the cliffs of moher and youd do it...”

More specifically they’d be first in line to push everyone else off.....

growleaves · 02-06-2020 09:44PM

Far too soon to ease lockdown in north-east England, leaders warn

The north-east has the highest per-capita infection rate of any region in the UK. It is thought to be particularly vulnerable given its relatively high proportion of people with secondary illnesses linked to heavy industry, such as mining and shipbuilding. Of the 10 worst-affected local authorities, the top four are all in the north-east: Sunderland, Gateshead, South Tyneside and Middlesbrough.

They should think about a regional approach, and open up London, which last I heard was doing well. The South East accounts for a huge bulk of the entire UK economy.

Jackman25 · 02-06-2020 09:44PM

Jackman25 wrote: »

Outliers my hole. After yesterday most of them realised they are being taken for mugs with the carry on. Any semblance of reality about the value of restrictions went out the window when a mass gathering has yet to be condemned by any of the Government.

Gotta love the pretend intellectual snobbery that you and your ilk espouse. You would be all over this thread like ringworm if you had a semblance of a point to make.

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Quod erat demonstrandum.

Indeed

MickeyLeari · 02-06-2020 09:45PM

Beasty wrote: »

Britain may not have handled this well, and England in particular are being accused by scientists of opening things up too quickly. If they have a relapse with infections taking off again in 3 weeks time do you think that would encourage or discourage NEPHET to accelerate the lifting of restrictions here?

If England keeps this under control it would create an ever starker comparison with Ireland and would put pressure on Ireland (North and South) to lift restrictions

And whatever you think of "Britain", NI does come out very well in all of this. I think Britain missed the chance that Ireland grabbed to take advantage of the sea border and limit transmission of this virus. We had a bit longer to prepare, but the same could be said of Britain and, frankly, they blew it (probably as much to do with Boris' ego as anything)

We are not Britain. We are in the EU, they are not.

Beasty · 02-06-2020 09:49PM

growleaves wrote: »

Far too soon to ease lockdown in north-east England, leaders warn

They should think about a regional approach, and open up London, which last I heard was doing well. The South East accounts for a huge bulk of the entire UK economy.

Interestingly the South East and London in particular is better placed than places like the North East to work remotely. The South East is dominated by the Service sector, but the North East is much more dependent on manufacturing and other roles requiring physical presence

Professor Moriarty · 02-06-2020 09:51PM

Jackman25 wrote: »

Indeed

"pretend intellectual snobbery"

Just to help you out. Try using 'faux' instead of 'pretend'. However, even if you use the correct word, your insult still makes no sense. If I'm pretending to be an intellectual snob then I'm not an intellectual snob.

You're welcome.

Beasty · 02-06-2020 09:52PM

MickeyLeari wrote: »

We are not Britain. We are in the EU, they are not.

No idea what your point is. Like it or not they are our neighbours and the UK, including GB, is the one place we have difficulty detaching ourselves from physically.

bb1234567 · 02-06-2020 09:52PM

VonLuck wrote: »

I can't believe so many of you are using the argument "well if all those protesters are breaking the rules, I'm going to as well".

What sort of logic is that? If everyone had that attitude society would fall apart.

That is not the attitude.
It is ' those people broke the rules and the gardai and government did not seem bothered or even so much as care to condemn it, so why should we bother?'

Professor Moriarty · 02-06-2020 09:53PM

Beasty wrote: »

No idea what your point is. Like it or not they are our neighbours and the UK, including GB, is the one place we have difficulty detaching ourselves from physically.

+CTA

Colibri · 02-06-2020 09:55PM

Looking at these protests and all the rest planned.

Community transmission might be low but 5+ days from now we might see a large increase in numbers. Outside transmission is low yes but these protests are making me uneasy. CMO won't be happy, Simon Harris won't be happy.

If lockdown is extended, everything will be f*cked. A show on Prime Time now on about hotels/tourism and they're all saying their businesses are more or less dying. Adding more time to this will be devastating.

road_high · 02-06-2020 10:06PM

Colibri wrote: »

Looking at these protests and all the rest planned.

Community transmission might be low but 5+ days from now we might see a large increase in numbers. Outside transmission is low yes but these protests are making me uneasy. CMO won't be happy, Simon Harris won't be happy.

If lockdown is extended, everything will be f*cked. A show on Prime Time now on about hotels/tourism and they're all saying their businesses are more or less dying. Adding more time to this will be devastating.

Well that’s what the so called roadmap is- hotels etc wouldn’t be even open until late July. It’s only June 2nd yet. A recipe for bankruptcy if ever there was one.

Colibri · 02-06-2020 10:09PM

road_high wrote: »

Well that’s what the so called roadmap is- hotels etc wouldn’t be even open until late July. It’s only June 2nd yet. A recipe for bankruptcy if ever there was one.

Completely, I agree totally. I'm just worried that NPHET and CMO will advise caution and delay the length of time between phases.

On the one hand I'm pissed off because our local businesses are sinking. On the other, if there's an increase in cases from these protests then there's a problem because more of these are planned.

Jackman25 · 02-06-2020 10:09PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

"pretend intellectual snobbery"

Just to help you out. Try using 'faux' instead of 'pretend'. However, even if you use the correct word, your insult still makes no sense. If I'm pretending to be an intellectual snob then I'm not an intellectual snob.

You're welcome.

Taking quite an interest in this thread considering its just a dozen outliers ranting.
The more people come on to complain about a thread, the more you know its having an impact.

Pete_Cavan · 02-06-2020 10:10PM

Beasty wrote: »

Britain may not have handled this well, and England in particular are being accused by scientists of opening things up too quickly. If they have a relapse with infections taking off again in 3 weeks time do you think that would encourage or discourage NEPHET to accelerate the lifting of restrictions here?

But Britain is not comparable in terms of virus suppression so why should they be the yardstick and not other nations? There is three solid weeks of evidence from other countries, why not make decisions based on that rather than wait three weeks to see how Britain gets on (which is likely to be not great given their handling of things)? Just sounds like more delay tactics and abdication of responsibility.

02-06-2020 10:11PM

Colibri wrote: »

Looking at these protests and all the rest planned.

Community transmission might be low but 5+ days from now we might see a large increase in numbers. Outside transmission is low yes but these protests are making me uneasy. CMO won't be happy, Simon Harris won't be happy.

If lockdown is extended, everything will be f*cked. A show on Prime Time now on about hotels/tourism and they're all saying their businesses are more or less dying. Adding more time to this will be devastating.

125 cases in the past week that are community, ie not been fully traced yet. That’s 1 in 40,000 people in the state. If each of these had an average of 4 contacts who the infected and don’t know about it, that’s 1 in 10,000 people. Odds of one of them being at the protest are pretty low. And even then of the 125 community cases, based on recent trends, the odds are we would get less than 100 infections

Idbatterim · 02-06-2020 10:13PM

The riots in the states, I'd say a good chunk of the unrest is coming from the lockdown. Just messaged that to a few of the lads and a few minutes later on sky, some American professor comes to saying exact same thing. You can't expect to lock up particularly young and relatively young tor months on end and expect no consequences. Especially from our government who have zero moral authority!

Colibri · 02-06-2020 10:13PM

Deleted User wrote: »

125 cases in the past week that are community, ie not been fully traced yet. That’s 1 in 40,000 people in the state. If each of these had an average of 4 contacts who the infected and don’t know about it, that’s 1 in 10,000 people. Odds of one of them being at the protest are pretty low. And even then of the 125 community cases, based on recent trends, the odds are we would get less than 100 infections

Okay thank you

. I'm on the side of a quicker easing of restrictions don't worry, these mass gatherings just frightened me at face value covid wise.

Jackman25 · 02-06-2020 10:13PM

Dr Gerald Barry talking some sense on Prime Time about relaxing the stupid travel restriction. The O'Donovan TD lad just waffling crap as is his wont.

Professor Moriarty · 02-06-2020 10:14PM

Jackman25 wrote: »

Your certainly something ending with nob.

Taking quite an interest in this thread considering its just a dozen outliers ranting.
The more people come on to complain about a thread, the more you know its having an impact.

Just dipping in and out while passing time pleasantly. This thread has zero impact other than as a lightning rod for rants.

Jayesdiem · 02-06-2020 10:16PM

Arghus wrote: »

Thanks bro. It's good to be called out by name.

Feels like a badge of honour! I'm one of the rare few on here with a dissenting opinion. Most others have sensibly given up.

You said yourself you wouldn't believe anything that comes out of Niall Ferguson's mouth - so why are you linking to an article based around words that came out of Niall Ferguson's mouth?

Because I know you believe this tripe and I thought you might like a good read.

Jinglejangle69 · 02-06-2020 10:16PM

Simon now condemned the march.

Won't please the permanently outraged here no doubt.

Idbatterim · 02-06-2020 10:16PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Just dipping in and out while passing time pleasantly. This thread has zero impact other than as a lightning rod for rants.

When the economic turmoil kicks off, we can remind you of this idiocy now which will cause it ...

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings