Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings

stephenjmcd · 02-06-2020 09:09AM

CruelSummer wrote: »

So from reading this article...’public health officials’ are once again going to tell the government what to do?

Paywall so cant read it myself but end of the day its going to be a government decision.

Seems to be far too many leaks to papers recently from both sides. Would not surprise me if this was in response to the government sources story in the independent yesterday

02-06-2020 09:11AM

Deleted User wrote: »

It was always very important that the government communicate well and get the people behind them in this. Originally we all did that well. Flatten the curve, get testing and contact tracing up to scratch, increase hospital capacity as much as possible. People were happy to remain locked down for March and April.

That is when things started to get a little bit silly. We created a 3 month long, 5 phase plan that meant a lot of people couldn't see family until 20th July. We insisted on keeping silly travel limits that no other country seemed to implement. All of a sudden the numbers were never good enough for Tony while he refused to tell us what numbers would be good enough. It started to feel like we were aiming for 0. Leo disappeared. Then there was the home-ware fiasco.

People have been holed up for almost 3 months now. Their spirit is broken. We should have been opening up weeks ago, when the curve was flattened.

I don't personally agree with the lack of social distancing at the protest yesterday. But it seems like a lot of the pro lockdown crowd are turning on the government and the restrictions over this and that can only be a good thing. We need to dump these silly travel limits immediately and half the 2m to 1m.

Its time we started to open this country up again while we still have a chance of fixing all the damage caused by lockdown.

Good post, spot on, no hysterical ranting .
I was following restrictions for a long time, doing it alone, missing human contact. But in May when Tony Holohan could only say our numbers “are not low enough” but not saying what “low” was , I began to lose faith. Night after night of finger wagging , telling us off, not realizing people’s spirits were breaking more and more, depression creeping in, Leo and Simon sniggering about hair cuts and new curtains, I made the decision to go back hiking to the mountains (alone) and visit my vulnerable sister 40km away who also lives alone.

I’m very glad I did and have no regrets now when I see the huge groups and gangs everywhere. Everything I did was alone, and I live alone. But at this stage I really don’t blame people , even those in groups.

This whole things has been handled very badly ! People were treated like bold children, instead of being encouraged. Face masks could have been made mandatory as a trade off for no travel restrictions. Carrot not stick approach. In Northern Ireland there are no travel restrictions, Northern hiking friends of mine going to Connemara this week to hike .......but we can’t ??

is_that_so · 02-06-2020 09:11AM

CruelSummer wrote: »

So from reading this article...’public health officials’ are once again going to tell the government what to do?

The plan is already there so no. That is the HSE being ubercautious adn stating its own house is not really in order and built yet again around the idea of the surge. I think it's really to dampen TD enthusiasm for the "open it all next week" line.

Sweet.Science · 02-06-2020 09:12AM

So what sort of retail shops will we see open in phase 2 ?

prunudo · 02-06-2020 09:17AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Good post, spot on, no hysterical ranting .
I was following restrictions for a long time, doing it alone, missing human contact. But in May when Tony Holohan could only say our numbers “are not low enough” but not saying what “low” was , I began to lose faith. Night after night of finger wagging , telling us off, not realizing people’s spirits were breaking more and more, depression creeping in, Leo and Simon sniggering about hair cuts and new curtains, I made the decision to go back hiking to the mountains (alone) and visit my vulnerable sister 40km away who also lives alone.

I’m very glad I did and have no regrets now when I see the huge groups and gangs everywhere. Everything I did was alone, and I live alone. But at this stage I really don’t blame people , even those in groups.

This whole things has been handled very badly ! People were treated like bold children, instead of being encouraged. Face masks could have been made mandatory as a trade off for no travel restrictions. Carrot not stick approach. In Northern Ireland there are no travel restrictions, Northern hiking friends of mine going to Connemara this week to hike .......but we can’t ??

But the thing is, you I and many others on this thread have seen it for what it is, broken the restrictions while still being pragmatic and careful.
Its the thousands who are crippled with fear because they've lapped up everything they've been fed I feel angry for. The lack of reaction by both government and media is shocking.

Sheep_shear · 02-06-2020 09:19AM

Sweet.Science wrote: »

So what sort of retail shops will we see open in phase 2 ?

I think pretty much any shop can open if they "stand in solidarity with #IcantBreathe"

Jinglejangle69 · 02-06-2020 09:20AM

Still am failing to see any evidence Leo supports mass gatherings like on O Connel Street.

Whole thing is been twisted to suit people's agenda.

alta stare · 02-06-2020 09:21AM

prunudo wrote: »

But the thing is, you I and many others on this thread have seen it for what it is, broken the restrictions while still being pragmatic and careful.
Its the thousands who are crippled with fear because they've lapped up everything they've been fed I feel angry for. The lack of reaction by both government and media is shocking.

Agree 100%. Absolutely spot on.

02-06-2020 09:21AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Still am failing to see any evidence Leo supports mass gatherings like on O Connel Street.

Whole thing is been twisted to suit people's agenda.

There is no agenda. P

is_that_so · 02-06-2020 09:22AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Good post, spot on, no hysterical ranting .
I was following restrictions for a long time, doing it alone, missing human contact. But in May when Tony Holohan could only say our numbers “are not low enough” but not saying what “low” was , I began to lose faith. Night after night of finger wagging , telling us off, not realizing people’s spirits were breaking more and more, depression creeping in, Leo and Simon sniggering about hair cuts and new curtains, I made the decision to go back hiking to the mountains (alone) and visit my vulnerable sister 40km away who also lives alone.

I’m very glad I did and have no regrets now when I see the huge groups and gangs everywhere. Everything I did was alone, and I live alone. But at this stage I really don’t blame people , even those in groups.

This whole things has been handled very badly ! People were treated like bold children, instead of being encouraged. Face masks could have been made mandatory as a trade off for no travel restrictions. Carrot not stick approach. In Northern Ireland there are no travel restrictions, Northern hiking friends of mine going to Connemara this week to hike .......but we can’t ??

And yet your own is quite a rant! Visiting your sister comes under essential travel. You might have been more persuasive if the rest of it was anything but the version of what you wanted to happen. It's fine BTW but just another way someone has responded to this situation and this virus gets us in more ways than we can imagine.

newuser99999 · 02-06-2020 09:22AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Still am failing to see any evidence Leo supports mass gatherings like on O Connel Street.

Whole thing is been twisted to suit people's agenda.

It’s the same “take care of our own first” brigade that are having issues with the protest. If you’ve been at a Dublin beach or queuing in Woodies for a barbecue you can **** off.

is_that_so · 02-06-2020 09:24AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Still am failing to see any evidence Leo supports mass gatherings like on O Connel Street.

Whole thing is been twisted to suit people's agenda.

All about context and risk assessment of conflict. I'd be surprised if we see any more of them allowed until this is over.

prunudo · 02-06-2020 09:26AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Still am failing to see any evidence Leo supports mass gatherings like on O Connel Street.

Whole thing is been twisted to suit people's agenda.

Did he call it out, no. Did he say it was ill advised, no. They were quick enough to ridicule people in pubs and having street parties so where is the balance. After a good start, Leo's leadership has been lacking the last month.
I suspect Simon is biting his lip trying not to publicly comment, but being tild to tow the party line. Given his past tweets, I don't believe he isn't annoyed by the protest (not a fan of him before people accuse me of being one)

is_that_so · 02-06-2020 09:28AM

prunudo wrote: »

But the thing is, you I and many others on this thread have seen it for what it is, broken the restrictions while still being pragmatic and careful.
Its the thousands who are crippled with fear because they've lapped up everything they've been fed I feel angry for. The lack of reaction by both government and media is shocking.

This looks like a version of the people are sheep post. Why do you feel angry for people you don't know and who probably don't care for you to feel angry for them?

Idbatterim · 02-06-2020 09:45AM

I voted fg a few elections back, believed the lies about rewarding workers, that they would improve law and order. Gardai being assaulted by thugs here, who can do as they please . Fg hell hent on destroying the economy and peoples lives. I'd like to give a huge thanks to those who voted fg in the last election, for more of the same. Harris, varadkar etc have to go. If you dont lead, why are they running for the dail ? We have the gall to slag the Americans?

I get the the impression varadkar and holohan could tell half of you to walk off the cliffs of moher and youd do it...

prunudo · 02-06-2020 09:46AM

is_that_so wrote: »

This looks like a version of the people are sheep post. Why do you feel angry for people you don't know and who probably don't care for you to feel angry for them?

Probably is an element of that, people have trusted the government and media. What happened in Dublin yesterday wasn't right but if you are listening to the media today you would be fooled into thinking it was okay. People are afraid to comment for fear of being perceived to be racist.
We are being sold a pup and very few people can see it. It worries me speed at which the country wholesalely believed everything they are told, rounding on people who dared to throw a critical point of view. We are being bombarded with dictator trump nonsense, people need to open their eyes and look closer to whats happening in front of us.

Jinglejangle69 · 02-06-2020 09:47AM

Idbatterim wrote: »

I voted fg a few elections back, believed the lies about rewarding workers, that they would improve law and order. Gardai being assaulted by thugs here, who can do as they please . Ow hell hent onndestroying the economy and peoples lives. I'd like to give a huge thanks to those who voted fg in the last election, for more of the same. Harris, varadkar etc have to go. If you dont lead, why are they running for the dail ? We have the gall to slag the Americans?

I get the the impression varadkar and holohan could tell half of you to walk off the cliffs of moher and youd do it...

You have repeated the same line for years here all to do with how you hate FG over getting screwed in taxes.

There is a FG thread on current affairs for your problems you listed above.

Idbatterim · 02-06-2020 09:50AM

This virus is exactly why you wouldnt want fg making decisions, surprised they dint plan on phasing this lockdown out until 2025!

I'm looking forward to the budget cuts in a few months, necessary because of fg...

KrustyUCC · 02-06-2020 09:56AM

HSE to warn Dáil committee many public hospitals 'not fit for purpose' in tackling Covid-19

The HSE will today raise concerns about whether the health service is capable of dealing with another wave of Covid-19 cases.

It will tell a special Oireachtas committee that many public hospitals are "not fit for purpose", and that many of them are not capable of providing the safe distancing needed to protect against the spread of the virus.

Public health officials are also expected to advise today against easing restrictions more quickly than was originally set out.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/hse-to-warn-dail-committee-many-public-hospitals-not-fit-for-purpose-in-tackling-covid-19-1002895.html

Brilliant

HSE not built to withstand a second wave that might never come

Can't accelerate the slowest easing of restrictions in Europe either just in case

Doesn't matter that it will destroy the economy and many peoples lives

Other countries that were in far worse state opening quicker

Some will have services open months before us

But not Ireland. No we're different

growleaves · 02-06-2020 10:00AM

is_that_so wrote: »

All about context and risk assessment of conflict. I'd be surprised if we see any more of them allowed until this is over.

The context is "Racism is a virus". There's more George Floyd protests planned for Limerick and Dublin this Saturday.

niallo27 · 02-06-2020 10:01AM

newuser99999 wrote: »

It’s the same “take care of our own first” brigade that are having issues with the protest. If you’ve been at a Dublin beach or queuing in Woodies for a barbecue you can **** off.

Hang on are you saying there is something wrong with queuing for a BBQ at woodies.

Mike3287 · 02-06-2020 10:06AM

Jayesdiem wrote: »

I feel sorry for them too. On the other hand, I resent their subservient nature in just accepting this whole facade in the first place. The people who behaved like sheep, which was the vast majority, have a case to answer themselves.

That's true, I get what your saying

In one way i'm happy we live in a country with alot of decent people who follow the rules, its part of what makes Ireland great

walshb · 02-06-2020 10:07AM

Any commentators piped up yet about the protest yesterday?

How about the most caring and concerned of all for our people and front-line staff, Ryan Tubridy? Did he bring it up this morning?

amlinopta · 02-06-2020 10:12AM

Tubridy on holidays. His replacement, Oliver Callan, seemed to think it was fine with social distancing being observed and masks worn.

walshb · 02-06-2020 10:17AM

amlinopta wrote: »

Tubridy on holidays. His replacement, Oliver Callan, seemed to think it was fine with social distancing being observed and masks worn.

Yes....real social distancing I saw.......

niallo27 · 02-06-2020 10:19AM

walshb wrote: »

Any commentators piped up yet about the protest yesterday?

How about the most caring and concerned of all for our people and front-line staff, Ryan Tubridy? Did he bring it up this morning?

Disagree with these protests, are you ****en crazy. It would ruin your career to say one word against it. Its a no go area.

growleaves · 02-06-2020 10:22AM

From the Cyprus Mail:

Lockdown: did it make a difference?

Now, a Cypriot epidemiologist tracking the data has thrown his hat into the ring – he says around half of people infected in Cyprus may have contracted the virus while indoors.

Dr Elpidoforos Soteriades, who got his degree in epidemiology at Harvard, told the Sunday Mail: “In the case of population lockdown, people were forced to stay at home. However, once the virus was already spreading within the community, lockdown was literally forcing healthy individuals to stay in close contact with relatives that might have been exposed to the virus and were potentially spreading the virus at home.”

“In fact,” he went on, “I’m afraid it’s what eventually happened. Evidence from several country reports shows that about half of new infections were directly related to the lockdown.”

average_runner · 02-06-2020 10:23AM

niallo27 wrote: »

Hang on are you saying there is something wrong with queuing for a BBQ at woodies.

There is no need to queue at B&Q, just get there at 715 and you can walk right in. Queuing is just wasting your life away.

walshb · 02-06-2020 10:33AM

niallo27 wrote: »

Disagree with these protests, are you ****en crazy. It would ruin your career to say one word against it. Its a no go area.

I am not buying this

It is about disagreeing/condemning with the complete lack of adherence to the social distancing guidelines that we have been trying to adhere to

Nobody is saying that our leaders are to disagree with a protest....

There is nuance and detail here....

It is about the complete lack of adherence to the social distancing guidelines that the condemning should be about...

bush · 02-06-2020 10:38AM

Ah god another day of these crap restrictions :mad:

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