Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - Read OP for Mod Warnings

Penfailed · 29-05-2020 09:17PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

I just came back from a 20km cycle. The amount of cars I met on the road seem to be a lot more than there was before the lockdown. Surely not all shopping this late? I think that “some “ word maybe subjective.

More cars than before the lockdown? Really? I've access to the traffic stats in the north. Traffic volumes are at 60% of the normal volume on A-routes and 70% on the motorway network. You think traffic is more than 100% of normal volumes? Nah. I don't believe you.

Goldengirl · 29-05-2020 09:18PM

RobitTV wrote: »

Dr Tony Holohan says he is ‘not surprised’ that Ryanair's Michael O’Leary has a concern about quarantine measures for people arriving in Ireland. The CMO says he believes normal airline travel will not return ‘in the near term’.

See you in court Holohan. O'Leary isn't going to back down.

O'Leary is too pragmatic to take such a case. He's just flying the proverbial kite
Only those 2 other eejits thatcan't be named , would try to take a case like that in the beginning , middle or end of a worldwide pandemic

growleaves · 29-05-2020 09:19PM

Penfailed wrote: »

More cars than before the lockdown? Really? I've access to the traffic stats in the north. Traffic volumes are at 60% of the normal volume on A-routes and 70% on the motorway network. You think traffic is more than 100% of normal volumes? Nah. I don't believe you.

Well it is a bank holiday weekend.

Though maybe it's just being more conscious of cars on the road.

Penfailed · 29-05-2020 09:23PM

growleaves wrote: »

Well it is a bank holiday weekend.

Though maybe it's just being more conscious of cars on the road.

I'd say that's it alright. There's a definite increase in traffic this past couple of weeks. There's a lot of people involved in the construction industry that have gone back to work too to be fair.

Goldengirl · 29-05-2020 09:28PM

na1 wrote: »

I wonder if it is related to the private hospitals getting free money from the state for not opening to general patient treatments?
Basically we pay budget money to hospital owners to stay close, and the longer they stay closed the more money they get for doing nothing.

What are you saying ? Conspiracy by medical experts?
You do realise the NPHET are all PUBLIC health medics and scientists ?

KrustyUCC · 29-05-2020 09:30PM

funnydoggy wrote: »

A café in Cork tried that yesterday but the guards came along and told them to pack up their tables and chairs because of COVID guidelines. They emailed the HSE and they said they were just "guidelines" so the tables and chairs were out again today.

But I totally agree. Streets are for people and the state of some cities at the moment with cars, vans and HGVs strewn all over the place is very upsetting.

In the city?

Pete_Cavan · 29-05-2020 09:36PM

Penfailed wrote: »

More cars than before the lockdown? Really? I've access to the traffic stats in the north. Traffic volumes are at 60% of the normal volume on A-routes and 70% on the motorway network. You think traffic is more than 100% of normal volumes? Nah. I don't believe you.

I doubt he/she was cycling on a motorway or A-route or the Irish equivalent. I wouldn't be surprised at an increase in traffic on R and L roads, particularly leading to places where people might like to spend a few hours on a sunny day after sitting at home for two months, only leaving the house to go shopping. You are also less likely to meet Gardai on R and L roads so they probably attract traffic which would otherwise take main routes.

Jinglejangle69 · 29-05-2020 09:36PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

South Korea has closed their schools again

And museums and restaurants.

the kelt · 29-05-2020 09:37PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

O'Leary is too pragmatic to take such a case. He's just flying the proverbial kite
Only those 2 other eejits thatcan't be named , would try to take a case like that in the beginning , middle or end of a worldwide pandemic

I agree, there’s no chance of O Leary being that stupid.

But the pressure is starting to come on and rightly so, the likes of O Leary and others will be pushing more.

More and more people are looking at other countries and starting to ask questions and with lower cases and deaths daily fear doesn’t have the same effect it once had.

Stark · 29-05-2020 09:38PM

funnydoggy wrote: »

A café in Cork tried that yesterday but the guards came along and told them to pack up their tables and chairs because of COVID guidelines. They emailed the HSE and they said they were just "guidelines" so the tables and chairs were out again today.

But I totally agree. Streets are for people and the state of some cities at the moment with cars, vans and HGVs strewn all over the place is very upsetting.

Something I definitely miss in Ireland that you get in many European cities is the outdoor seating areas where you can enjoy a coffee/meal/pint al fresco. "Oh but it rains too often in Ireland for that" you'll hear people say. Bull****. It rains less in Dublin than in does in Amsterdam, Brussels, Hamburg, London, Lyon, Napes, Rome etc. It's just that our streets are taken over for cars like you say.

Which reminds me of a funny tweet thread I saw yesterday with the eejit Jamie Heaslip getting absolutely roasted trying to post poll-bait. https://twitter.com/jamieheaslip/status/1266016429008134144

FintanMcluskey · 29-05-2020 09:43PM

funnydoggy wrote: »

Business owners can't just keep the head down and wait it out. Their businesses are in real danger.

It appears the wait and see crowd don't understand how private businesses generate revenue or where welfare payments originate from

stephenjmcd · 29-05-2020 09:45PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

I think this is how ridiculous it’s going to be lol

https://youtu.be/Xj1nFjNaOgw

Just on the original video you were replying to, good luck to them with the 2hr thing come August. Like it'll work so long as through July it's only drinks with food but when they open back up as a pub then the whole 2hr time thing is going to be a mess

Jinglejangle69 · 29-05-2020 09:47PM

What's people's opinions on South Korea closing things again?

stephenjmcd · 29-05-2020 09:50PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

What's people's opinions on South Korea closing things again?

There were multiple replies to you on this earlier when you posted about a 2nd wave.

Mine was:
They're not calling it a second wave at all. It's a cluster of cases linked to a distribution centre where an employee was forced to go into work while sick. They're being cautious for the next 2 weeks and most restrictions are only in Seoul with only some places closing. All employees at the distribution centre and their contacts are being traced and tested.

55 new cases today and 177 over 3 days in a population of over 50 million, far from a second wave now is it ?? Read past the headline

Micky 32 · 29-05-2020 09:51PM

Penfailed wrote: »

More cars than before the lockdown? Really? I've access to the traffic stats in the north. Traffic volumes are at 60% of the normal volume on A-routes and 70% on the motorway network. You think traffic is more than 100% of normal volumes? Nah. I don't believe you.

I don’t expect you to believe or do I care. I can tell you now whether you like it or not the traffic was awful heavy this eve and I doubt they were all shopping. My work involves a lot of driving and I see it with my own eyes.

funnydoggy · 29-05-2020 09:51PM

Stark wrote: »

Something I definitely miss in Ireland that you get in many European cities is the outdoor seating areas where you can enjoy a coffee/meal/pint al fresco. "Oh but it rains too often in Ireland for that" you'll hear people say. Bull****. It rains less in Dublin than in does in Amsterdam, Brussels, Hamburg, London, Lyon, Napes, Rome etc. It's just that our streets are taken over for cars like you say.

Which reminds me of a funny tweet thread I saw yesterday with the eejit Jamie Heaslip getting absolutely roasted trying to post poll-bait. https://twitter.com/jamieheaslip/status/1266016429008134144

That poll was hilarious, I even gave an answer haha!

Walk down a street and see boring, homogeneous shop fronts and if you just look up you'll see beautiful architecture.

Turn a corner and you'll see traffic, cars parked on paths or bike lanes, with zero enforcement. The guards are even doing it.

Nothing more I'd love than to see a city bursting with business with outdoor seating, greenery all around, pedestrianised streets and proper bike infrastructure. The city would make a small fortune day after day.

This applies for all over Ireland and not just in cities.

Pity we have councils that are stuck in the 20th century with no regard for people, just cars.

Goldengirl · 29-05-2020 09:51PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

It appears the wait and see crowd don't understand how private businesses generate revenue or where welfare payments originate from

I think tax payers are not just business people. And not just on one side of the argument here.
We all have jobs and business interests to lose as well.

Jackman25 · 29-05-2020 09:52PM

Deleted User wrote: »

South Korea has closed their schools again

All of them?

Micky 32 · 29-05-2020 09:53PM

Penfailed wrote: »

I'd say that's it alright. There's a definite increase in traffic this past couple of weeks. There's a lot of people involved in the construction industry that have gone back to work too to be fair.

It has been all week the traffic, I’m on the road a lot and I know what I’m talking about.

Penfailed · 29-05-2020 09:59PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

I don’t expect you to believe or do I care. I can tell you now whether you like it or not the traffic was awful heavy this eve and I doubt they were all shopping. My work involves a lot of driving and I see it with my own eyes.

Some people are working too y'know. I don't think the traffic was heavier today than BEFORE the lockdown though. My work involves a lot of driving too. North and south. The traffic, whilst heavier than the early days of lockdown, is still not up to normal levels, nevermind heavier than normal like you've implied.

stephenjmcd · 29-05-2020 10:00PM

Jackman25 wrote: »

All of them?

Nope, some in Seoul

Micky 32 · 29-05-2020 10:02PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Some people are working too y'know. I don't think the traffic was heavier today than BEFORE the lockdown though. My work involves a lot of driving too. North and south. The traffic, whilst heavier than the early days of lockdown, is still not up to normal levels, nevermind heavier than normal like you've implied.

Well come down around the midlands and have a look yourself. It definitely is pre lockdown here. I doubt too many were working after 9 pm. A few dudes going around in a packed car windows down with some jungle music blaring just there now .

setanta1984 · 29-05-2020 10:02PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

And museums and restaurants.

As I replied to you earlier, restaurants are not closed - schools, museums, parks, and art galleries in the Seoul area only. Not the whole of South Korea.
That's why South Korea were so successful all along, swift, controlled, targeted tracing and isolation - not locking up the entirety of a country.

https://www.euronews.com/2020/05/28/coronavirus-restrictions-return-in-south-korea-after-new-spike-in-covid-19-cases

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/28/south-korea-faces-return-to-coronavirus-restrictions-after-spike-in-new-cases

Penfailed · 29-05-2020 10:05PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

It has been all week the traffic, I’m on the road a lot and I know what I’m talking about.

I'm not sure what you mean by the first half of your sentence but I'm on the road a lot and I know what I'm talking about too.

Penfailed · 29-05-2020 10:07PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Well come down around the midlands and have a look yourself. It definitely is pre lockdown here.

...but you said it was heavier than before the lockdown and now it's just at pre lockdown levels. Which is it?

Micky 32 · 29-05-2020 10:07PM

Penfailed wrote: »

I'm not sure what you mean by the first half of your sentence but I'm on the road a lot and I know what I'm talking about too.

Typo, I meant to say the traffic has been heavier all week and in the evenings. People are driving around and I doubt it’s all essential travelling. You must be driving in a parallel universe then. As I said before the word “some” is without doubt subjective.

titan18 · 29-05-2020 10:07PM

the kelt wrote: »

I agree, there’s no chance of O Leary being that stupid.

But the pressure is starting to come on and rightly so, the likes of O Leary and others will be pushing more.

More and more people are looking at other countries and starting to ask questions and with lower cases and deaths daily fear doesn’t have the same effect it once had.

They're only looking at some countries though. Just in the travel thing, take a look at Norway, Australia, New Zealand, Argentina as examples of places with more restrictive travel policies than us.

We were actually fairly lax with it, we should really have shut non essential travel into us back early March and then open it up coming into mid July and August, or at least joining the EU travel bubble at that point (I'd be fairly against allowing US people in ATM). Although, we're always going to be in dodgy terrrority in it considering our travel arrangements with UK after they made a meal of it. It won't surprise me if a lot or countries exclude us if they're excluding UK even if we have zero cases a day.

I'd love for travel to be back btw incase anyone says I'm only against it cos I've no plans to do anything. I had 7 flights out of Ireland for leisure reasons last year and have had to cancel/change 2 holidays this year between March and April and had preliminary plans to be Belgium or Netherlands this weekend. But, it is going to be dodgy. The plane is one thing but how do you social distance in Cork airport or in T2 in Dublin. And wearing a mask is going to be a bit of a nightmare security wise too. Airports are chaotic at the best of times, adding more chaos into it isn't going to be pretty.

Penfailed · 29-05-2020 10:12PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Typo, I meant to say the traffic has been heavier all week and in the evenings. People are driving around and I doubt it’s all essential travelling. You must be driving in a parallel universe then. As I said before the word “some” is without doubt subjective.

I don't disagree that traffic has been heavier in the past couple of weeks. I've said as much in an earlier post. It's not heavier than it was before the lockdown like you stated though. That's all I'm saying.

the kelt · 29-05-2020 10:14PM

titan18 wrote: »

They're only looking at some countries though. Just in the travel thing, take a look at Norway, Australia, New Zealand, Argentina as examples of places with more restrictive travel policies than us.

We were actually fairly lax with it, we should really have shut non essential travel into us back early March and then open it up coming into mid July and August, or at least joining the EU travel bubble at that point (I'd be fairly against allowing US people in ATM). Although, we're always going to be in dodgy terrrority in it considering our travel arrangements with UK after they made a meal of it. It won't surprise me if a lot or countries exclude us if they're excluding UK even if we have zero cases a day.

I'd love for travel to be back btw incase anyone says I'm only against it cos I've no plans to do anything. I had 7 flights out of Ireland for leisure reasons last year and have had to cancel/change 2 holidays this year between March and April and had preliminary plans to be Belgium or Netherlands this weekend. But, it is going to be dodgy. The plane is one thing but how do you social distance in Cork airport or in T2 in Dublin. And wearing a mask is going to be a bit of a nightmare security wise too. Airports are chaotic at the best of times, adding more chaos into it isn't going to be pretty.

Just to clarify I’m not talking about travel, I’m talking in terms of restrictions.

bush · 29-05-2020 10:14PM

It's weird there is a lot of cars parked and people driving around but when you go into the supermarkets or whatever they aren't that busy. People just seem to be driving around for the sake of it.

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