Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

FatherTed · 28-05-2020 9:16pm

Blueshoe wrote: »

White America as a group oppressed black people in all walks of life hence the civil rights movement.

No. The Department of Justice charged Trump in 1973 for violating the Fair Housing Act of 1968. So it was not that oh everybody was doing it.

Billy Mays · 28-05-2020 9:22pm

It's just a coincidence that the only president to have his birthplace questioned was the black guy with the funny name

He never did reveal the things his investigators couldn't believe they were finding out about Obama either iirc

salmocab · 28-05-2020 9:28pm

Billy Mays wrote: »

It's just a coincidence that the only president to have his birthplace questioned was the black guy with the funny name

He never did reveal the things his investigators couldn't believe they were finding out about Obama either iirc

Well he did reveal the whole Obamagate thing that was all good work

BonnieSituation · 28-05-2020 9:30pm

Imagine if he knew that Ted Cruz was born in Canada or John McCain in Panama...

I'm sure of they became President he would have definitely been concerned about the "natural born citizen" clause and definition.

FatherTed · 28-05-2020 9:33pm

Blueshoe wrote: »

America was a different place back then. Whites and blacks didn't have equal rights. Are you going to deny that? Are you saying that the civil rights movement didn't happen or it was for no reason?

You need to read the advert. Here's a snippet: "Many new York families -White , Black, Hispanic and Asian have had to give up the pleasure of a leisurely stroll in the park at dusk" Yeah so racist.
The advert is an attack on the police and the break down of law and order. Read it and point out the racist parts.

If Obama was born overseas he isn't eligible to be US president. That's the law. So racist.

Those members stood up to him and were silly enough to get involved in a public spat. Again if you don't like it somewhere why not leave.

Again facts about most of the above are easily researched. This is ridiculous

Even after the Central Park 5 were exonerated including DNA evidence, he still couldn't let it go...

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/342195989530169344

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/480670583613435904

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/480672486342664193

Even this Op-ed he wrote

Settling doesn't mean innocence, but it indicates incompetence on several levels....
What about the other people who were brutalized that night, in addition to the jogger?

https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/donald-trump-central-park-settlement-disgrace-article-1.1838467

extra gravy · 28-05-2020 9:34pm

Blueshoe wrote: »

Sh1thole countries isn't racist. That's a stretch.

"We should have more people from places like Norway". Yeah let's get more white people in. Not racist at all.

Central park 5 ad : have you actually read the text of the ad. I just did. Perhaps you should too

He didn't explicitly call for their execution in the ad but he called for the death penalty to be introduced in NY following that case. Coincidence I'm sure. He has never apologised for his harsh comments or admitted he was wrong about them.What a surprise.

Birtherism: a statement questioning Obama's birthplace. How is this racist? He's accusing Obama of lying about his place of birth.

Would he have accused a white man of lying about his place of birth? You know the answer to that

African American tenants: 1960s America. A different world and you know it. Also it's privately owned property.

So what if it was a different world? That doesn't excuse it. And not everyone was racist then like you claim.

Mexican rapists: How about a report from doctors without borders? And reposted on by NBC. Read the facts

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/report-paints-harrowing-picture-central-america-migration-n758446

"They're sending people that have a lot of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists."
Sure it's okay to brand an entire population of Hispanics as
criminals and rapists

Pandering to white supremacists: how about a fact check since some of you are so fond of twitter's recent ones.

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/02/trump-has-condemned-white-supremacists/

Steve Bannon. KKK endorsement. Say no more.

Tweeting about foreign born Congress members: Born overseas yet complaining about the United States that has been so good to them. Very easy if you aren't happy then leave. This isn't racist. It's common sense. Would you stay somewhere you weren't happy?

5% of the members of Congress were born overseas. Are you seriously trying to say that they can't be critical of the country because of they weren't born there? It's their job and their responsibility to their constituents to question everything. And most of them got where they are through hard work and not because the United States was so good to them. I don't remember anyone giving AOC a leg up when she was waiting tables and pulling pints.
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You didn't provide any facts like you claim. Are you a racist or a racist sympathiser? It would explain your defending the indefensible.

Blueshoe · 28-05-2020 10:28pm

Here's an example of a current real world situation happening right now.

Trump supporters wearing combat gear and carrying weapons in an open carry state are allowed to protest without police intervention.

People are on the streets protesting the police murder of a black citizen who was suffocated by the knee of a police officer. The police have fired tear gas into the crowds and baton charged them.

People are saying the gun toting protestors were allowed to continue because they are white while the other group are being dispersed by force by the police because they are black. They are saying this is Trump's America etc.

The reality is that the first group of protestors didn't attack anyone or damage property and dispersed peacefully afterwards while the second group are burning down buildings, throwing stones, firing guns into the air and looting liquor and electronic stores.

See the difference. See the brainwashing. See the bias. See the level of entitlement. See the sh1thole that is America

moon2 · 28-05-2020 10:42pm

Blueshoe wrote: »

Here's an example of a current real world situation happening right now.

<Snip>

protesting the police murder of a black citizen who was suffocated by the knee of a police officer.

<Snip>

See the sh1thole that is America

Yup.

Edit: I take issue with this comparison in the first place. You're ignoring the years and decades of history where black Americans have been killed with little to no recourse. It's a false equivalency.

aloyisious · 28-05-2020 10:43pm

Wisconsin's electoral commission has decided to send absentee ballot forms to 2.7 million of the state's electorate who don't already have a mail-in vote. Others not to get the forms are those who've moved address leaving the state unaware of their new address. This follows on from the problems faced by the state and its electorate during the recent elections there.

Don't be surprised if Trump and the state GOP committee object to the furtherance of what they allege will be fraud by mail-in voters. It'll probably give him cause to tweet about it without hindrance, coincidentally proving how fake his claim is that he's been silenced by Twitter.com

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/28/politics/wisconsin-absentee-voting-applications/index.html

aloyisious · 28-05-2020 10:48pm

Blueshoe wrote: »

The second group are firing guns into the air

Really?

kowloon · 28-05-2020 11:00pm

Blueshoe wrote: »

The reality is that the first group of protestors didn't attack anyone or damage property and dispersed peacefully afterwards while the second group are burning down buildings, throwing stones, firing guns into the air and looting liquor and electronic stores.

Can the people looting and burning down shops be considered protestors? Are they an entirely separate group of opportunists just taking advantage of the situation?

Blueshoe · 28-05-2020 11:01pm

moon2 wrote: »

Yup.

Edit: I take issue with this comparison in the first place. You're ignoring the years and decades of history where black Americans have been killed with little to no recourse. It's a false equivalency.

So riot , burn businesses ,loot and attack police freely. Maybe the police should only arrest the white rioters.

Blueshoe · 28-05-2020 11:02pm

kowloon wrote: »

Can the people looting and burning down shops be considered protestors? Are they an entirely separate group of opportunists just taking advantage of the situation?

The second group aren't protesting peacefully. They are rioting and destroying their own neighborhoods.

Rjd2 · 28-05-2020 11:03pm

FrostyJack wrote: »

Half way through David Frums new book Trumpocalypse: Restoring American Democracy, his last book was great and so far this is too. He was just on Sam Harris podcast talking about it if you don't want to buy it. The book goes through in good detail the events under Trump and explains how they are so dangerous. Any sane Republican, Libertarian or someone on the fence would be instantly be jumping ship from Trump if they believed the content. He pointed out the danger we talked about last week, that when Trump is removed he will be worse than ever, riling up conspiracies and hurling from the ditches undermining whoever takes over next, leading to another disaster. Possibly in-sighting violence and polarising the country even more. He will also in the future be held up by some like Mao, revisionists will hark back to the golden age of Trump, so even after his death he will still be a cancer on American society/politics.

Trump will be gone in November and history won't be kind to his term , however his legacy will be no worse than George Bush a man who started an illegal war which destabilized a whole region, ignited ISIS, lead to thousands upon thousands killed...a war which David Frum played a huge role in selling to the American public.

And he is lecturing on the toxic legacy of Trump?, the absolute hypocrisy of this war monger is remarkable.

Trump may throw bombs from the sidelines, but not impossible he decides to look at how liberals are playing footsie with the neo-cons and use a similar grift, maybe now and then insult Hawley or whoever takes over.

Mainstream media loves George Bush now despite all those dead Iraqis, maybe Trump can get similar love from that crowd.

Thepoet85 · 28-05-2020 11:38pm

Someone argued with me a few weeks ago that Trump was merely flailing his way from one disaster to another, and that none of it was orchestrated by anyone to distract from the relevant issues at hand.

Well here we are, on the day that 100,000 Americans have died from Corona Virus and all that Boards and the world are talking about is Trump's arguement with Twitter.

He's definitely not the mastermind behind it, but by Christ it's working.

Nothing over the last 5 pages about the 100k dead, only a spat with Twitter....
Incredible.

fullstop · 28-05-2020 11:40pm

Blueshoe wrote: »

Here's an example of a current real world situation happening right now.

Trump supporters wearing combat gear and carrying weapons in an open carry state are allowed to protest without police intervention.

People are on the streets protesting the police murder of a black citizen who was suffocated by the knee of a police officer. The police have fired tear gas into the crowds and baton charged them.

People are saying the gun toting protestors were allowed to continue because they are white while the other group are being dispersed by force by the police because they are black. They are saying this is Trump's America etc.

The reality is that the first group of protestors didn't attack anyone or damage property and dispersed peacefully afterwards while the second group are burning down buildings, throwing stones, firing guns into the air and looting liquor and electronic stores.

See the difference. See the brainwashing. See the bias. See the level of entitlement. See the sh1thole that is America

**** me. Does much light get into that rabbit hole? :rolleyes:

PropJoe10 · 28-05-2020 11:41pm

Thepoet85 wrote: »

Someone argued with me a few weeks ago that Trump was merely flailing his way from one disaster to another, and that none of it was orchestrated by anyone to distract from the relevant issues at hand.

Well here we are, on the day that 100,000 Americans have died from Corona Virus and all that Boards and the world are talking about is Trump's arguement with Twitter.

He's definitely not the mastermind behind it, but by Christ it's working.

Nothing over the last 5 pages about the 100k dead, only a spat with Twitter....
Incredible.

Unfortunately this has been a pattern throughout his entire presidency. He is a master at deflection and unfortunately the press falls for it on each occasion. It's an incredibly damaging presidency.

Thepoet85 · 28-05-2020 11:44pm

PropJoe10 wrote:

Unfortunately this has been a pattern throughout his entire presidency. He is a master at deflection and unfortunately the press falls for it on each occasion. It's an incredibly damaging presidency.

I agree. I said as much here not two weeks ago and it was shrugged off, as a man of his ineptitude wouldn't be capable of such orchestration.

Blueshoe · 28-05-2020 11:47pm

Thepoet85 wrote: »

I agree. I said as much here not two weeks ago and it was shrugged off, as a man of his ineptitude wouldn't be capable of such orchestration.

Most people make the comparison as cases per million or deaths per million since countries have vastly different populations.
Then you have to look at the infrastructure of the compared countries. How many planes in the air, how densely populated are it's cities etc.

Compare different countries by this.

hetuzozaho · 28-05-2020 11:47pm

Did anyone watch this executive order signing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_4AKRvEPMg

It's hard to believe that these are adults in charge of America. :P

And he lied again about the ballots during this :pac:

Does he honestly believe what he is saying? When I think he is lying, is he just mistaken? And then does he believe his tweets are true so then actually believes that Twitter and the world are against him when they call him out? Can he be that ignorant?

It would be frustrating to misunderstand things and for people to be critiquing it, but you still think you are right as you don't understand the nuance of the critique.

It's starting to remind me of the film "Being There" starring Peter Sellers.

fullstop · 28-05-2020 11:50pm

Blueshoe wrote: »

Most people make the comparison as cases per million or deaths per million since countries have vastly different populations.

Compare different countries by this

Going back to bang this drum again now?

Blueshoe · 28-05-2020 11:51pm

fullstop wrote: »

Going back to bang this drum again now?

It's very relevant and important. Vital actually. If you want a true comparison.

Thepoet85 · 28-05-2020 11:56pm

Blueshoe wrote:

Most people make the comparison as cases per million or deaths per million since countries have vastly different populations. Then you have to look at the infrastructure of the compared countries. How many planes in the air, how densely populated are it's cities etc.

You lost me at most people, sounded too much like a Trumpism.

I'm only interested in discussing this from a factual point of view, not a hypothetical one.... Most people would agree.

fullstop · 28-05-2020 11:59pm

Blueshoe wrote: »

It's very relevant and important. Vital actually. If you want a true comparison.

You were already corrected on this completely irrelevant comparison yesterday. Maybe go back, have another read and you might understand it this time.

fullstop · 29-05-2020 12:01am

hetuzozaho wrote: »

Did anyone watch this executive order signing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_4AKRvEPMg

It's hard to believe that these are adults in charge of America. :P

And he lied again about the ballots during this :pac:

Does he honestly believe what he is saying? When I think he is lying, is he just mistaken? And then does he believe his tweets are true so then actually believes that Twitter and the world are against him when they call him out? Can he be that ignorant?

It would be frustrating to misunderstand things and for people to be critiquing it, but you still think you are right as you don't understand the nuance of the critique.

It's starting to remind me of the film "Being There" starring Peter Sellers.

His makeup is even worse than normal. Looks like he got tango’d.

My favourite part of that was “we would be the laughing stock of the world”.

Fact-check (that’s fact, F.A.C.T): you already are Donald

Blueshoe · 29-05-2020 12:03am

fullstop wrote: »

You were already corrected on this completely irrelevant comparison yesterday. Maybe go back, have another read and you might understand it this time.

Q How can you compare countries if one has a hundred times the population?

A Cases per million. Deaths per million.

Similarly economic and other outputs are measured by things like GDP or per capita.
That's how different comparative figures are reached. That's how it works.

Thepoet85 · 29-05-2020 12:05am

Blueshoe wrote:

Q How can you compare countries if one has a hundred times the population?

Blueshoe wrote:

A Cases per million. Deaths per million.

Why are you trying to deflect from the fact that 100k have died from this thing IN America.

Quality of roads and the amount of planes in the air are irrelevant. If you can't answer the hard questions move on, you're wasting everyone's time.

fullstop · 29-05-2020 12:07am

Blueshoe wrote: »

Q How can you compare countries if one has a hundred times the population?

A Cases per million. Deaths per million.

Q How can you compare countries if one doesn’t bother counting all deaths?

A...?

Blueshoe · 29-05-2020 12:12am

Thepoet85 wrote: »

Why are you trying to deflect from the fact that 100k have died from this thing IN America.

Quality of roads and the amount of planes in the air are irrelevant. If you can't answer the hard questions move on, you're wasting everyone's time.

Really?
If a country has many planes in the air daily a virus has the potential to spread further and faster as more people are traveling.
Basic stuff.

Deaths per million Ireland has more. It's there to see

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Tea drinker · 29-05-2020 12:16am

fullstop wrote: »

Q How can you compare countries if one doesn’t bother counting all deaths?

A...?

Sure why would ye bring up the 100K deaths if only to compare them?
UK hasn't been keeping proper tally by any means and is at 558 vs 312 deaths per million in US.
Did trump order the governors to send sick people into nursing homes?

Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

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