Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

road_high wrote: »

And we shouldn’t have non democratically people deciding national policy on issues of grave national importance...but here we are

Hurrache wrote: »

LOL, he's been doing it perfectly for weeks during the worse global pandemic in recent history, even returning a day or two after falling ill.

It's cracked to suggest that he's about to break under political pressure stemming from the will of the people riding atop the turning tide.

People now turning their frustration, people who apparently know better by the way, on a public servant because they can get no leeway with members of government. I wonder who it will be next?

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

A couple of months ago the threads on here were full of people claiming 10-20% fatality rates with total certainty. That was shown to be nonsense. Now people are predicting economic doom with total certainty. I think that will look like nonsense in hindsight as well.

I'm not denying there will be economic impacts. I just don't think it will be as severe as a lot seem to think.

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Think he knows it really. He got very defensive yesterday evening, even mentioning how anyone who travels abroad for non essential travel is breaking the law and this was in reference to travel in July. Last time I checked he wasn't in a position to tell anyone the law of the land.

They can pull out as many surveys as they want backing themselves up, doesn't change what people are seeing out and about

Stark wrote: »

Belgians don't love their children the way Irish people do :pac:

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Reality is always hitting hardest in the morningtime

"The Republic’s economy is on track to shrink by 12.4 per cent this year, marking the largest annual slump in its history, as the Covid-19 pandemic wreaks havoc on households, firms and government finances, according to the Economic and Social Research Institute (ESRI)."

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/financial-services/irish-economy-to-contract-by-12-esri-forecasts-1.4264165?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fbusiness%2Ffinancial-services%2Firish-economy-to-contract-by-12-esri-forecasts-1.4264165

I am not going to be a fool and say thats all caused by pandemic lol. Half of the slump is caused by awful incompetent government who have made a lot of wrong decisions and persist on making this a 5 month lockdown vs 2 months lockdowns in other Eu countries. In comparison - Denmarks GDP set to fall 5.4%, thats your casual 7% DIFFERENCE IN GDP FALL.

One country has opened primary schools on 14th of April, barbers 21st of April, rest of stuff mid May fully opened bar large public gatherings.

The other called Denmark "experimenting with children", cancelled final year exams (are we the only country on the planet to do this?) closed construction that is outdoor work where infection does not spread meaningfully at all, imposed 5 month effective lockdown for pubs, cinemas, gyms, barbers, crashed economy to -12.4% GDP.

Lets take this article as a reminder that no, not every country is screwed cus of pandemic, some are screwed 2 - 2.5 times worse than other because of incompetence of the government in place.

RollieFingers wrote: »

https://www.thejournal.ie/poll-government-handling-coronavirus-5109737-May2020/

71% of people happy with how the government have been handling the Covid-19 crisis.

ZX7R wrote: »

Harris was questioned yesterday about the essential travel and how he would implement a mandatory isolation for travelers.
His response was quite interesting the legality of mandatory isolation and the endorsement of a mandatory essential travel only looked to be legally unattainable.
About time that he amitted it.

Micky 32 wrote: »

He’s doing his best to get around it. I think there are proposals on the table for the cabinet ( so i read on the RTE app), he seems optimistic to get it through.

Micky 32 wrote: »

He’s doing his best to get around it. I think there are proposals on the table for the cabinet ( so i read on the RTE app), he seems optimistic to get it through.

ZX7R wrote: »

Making the two weeks of mandatory quarantine went to the cabinet last week it did not get through only the filling out of the form got passed.
After that he stated that he would look into the legality of making it mandatory.
Under questioning yesterday he stated it appears to be legally unattainable

Imperial College haven’t had a good war, and after their performance in other recent epidemics perhaps they will now pass their mantle onto another team. Preferably one that can code to levels fit for publication, never mind policy: it is increasingly awkward to hear the Prime Minister quoting their forecast that, were it not for lockdown, the UK could have been looking at half a million deaths when, at the tail-end of the epidemic, there are only 320,000 deaths worldwide.

But there is more to science than models, and the most accurate analysts were those who relied on other pillars of science than complicated models when input parameters were close to unknown (“garbage in, garbage out”). Science does not only proceed from models after all: it also has, inter alia, experiments, defaults (“null hypotheses”), controls and historical context.

Sweden nor Japan have locked down so, if the lockdown hypothesis were true, Stockholm would by now be a morgue and Greater Tokyo (population 38 million) a necropolis.

The final scientific datum would have been historical context. The media has not pointed out that the toll of covid-19 is only 0.5% that of the 1918/1919 influenza, before the advent of antibiotics. Although possible, could Neil Ferguson’s attention-grabbing estimate of twice the number of deaths for covid-19 ever have been realistic when the parameters of the disease were largely unknown? I mean: what were the chances? Oxford’s competing model, trumpeted in the press but attacked by their peers, looks like it will have been far more accurate, so it will be important in due course to ask: why?