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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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  • #8762
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,370 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    LiquidZeb wrote: »
    And what about you calling me plank and inferring someone else was a Nazi? Get off your high horse and look at your own posts. It's overemotional tosh.

    Second example in quick succession of you being blatantly wrong, on top of the ones from today.


  • #8763
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    ZX7R wrote: »
    Interestingly in the dail today when leo was questioned about the covid payment been adjusted,he replied that will be for the new government to decide.
    Even the two meters thing is to go before cabinet on Friday I would not be surprised to see it changed as it has very little support in government and opposition.
    Looking at the time scale of our road map to open up it, you would have to wonder if it had in some way been enacted to give time for a new government to be formed.

    Yeah ultimately the 2m thing is for cabinet, the CMO has been saying the last few days it's not a hard rule just a guidance


  • #8764
    MrDavid1976
    Closed Accounts Posts: 305 ✭✭MrDavid1976


    Why does it feel like some are energised by more people dying?


  • #8765
    LiquidZeb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭LiquidZeb


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Second example in quick succession of you being blatantly wrong, on top of the ones from today.

    Sorry got you mixed up with someone else. My mistake


  • #8766
    JRant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,132 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Arghus wrote: »
    Even Sam McConkey mentions that 100 000 figure in terms of it being an absolute worst case nightmare, but probably unlikely figure.

    In that article Harris doesn't say he agrees that's a possible death toll.

    He gives his tacit agreement by mentioning them and the "possiblity is very real" comment.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



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  • #8767
    JRant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,132 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    No lads, because 100,000 didn’t die, the lockdown was pointless and achieved nothing.

    Knowing what we know now worst case would have been 30,000, best case 10,000 without restrictions. With distancing only , best case would have been something like where Sweden are heading at 500 deaths per week.

    We did not know that in early March though. And even so, the swedes are now protesting to go onto lockdown
    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1287304/sweden-protests-coronavirus-death-toll-herd-immunity-Europe-covid19-news

    That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • #8768
    s1ippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    MrDavid1976 wrote: »
    Why does it feel like some are energised by more people dying?
    They're not, this is known.


  • #8769
    JRant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,132 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Because we looked down, ya shower of virus deniers !

    Ah, a plea to emotion, love it.
    What exactly is a virus denier?

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • #8770
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,841 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    LiquidZeb wrote: »
    Cool down a bit lovie. You accused him of getting news from neo Nazi sources which is essentially the same thing. Please don't backtrack especially when you have several outbursts to your name already

    Don't call me that .
    As I said he quoted from a source who is less than reputable , and that publication is what we were discussing, not him personally.
    You row in afterwards with no reason except to stir up a subject you had no part in , and accuse me of calling him a nazi !
    If anyone should be apologising it is you , for your address,and for your inaccurate posts .


  • #8771
    LiquidZeb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭LiquidZeb


    JRant wrote: »
    Ah, a plea to emotion, love it.
    What exactly is a virus denier?

    It's par for the course for him/her I was called a plank and another poster was called a Nazi.


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  • #8772
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,841 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Who wouldn't have seen such an impotent response to someone with a user name implying the person is a woman.

    I guarantee you wouldn't try that sexist **** with someone with a different user name, nor a woman outside of the internet. An absolute pathetic person to use such a phrase.

    Coming to something when women are belittled on this thread ,just because they disagree with the poster .
    Do I have to change my user name ?


  • #8773
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    JRant wrote: »
    He gives his tacit agreement by mentioning them and the "possiblity is very real" comment.

    Possibility is real =/= going to happen


  • #8774
    LiquidZeb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭LiquidZeb


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Coming to something when women are belittled on this thread ,just because they disagree with the poster .
    Do I have to change my user name ?

    It's a bit rich you getting offended when you've called people Nazis and myself a plank. Or does it only matter when your precious feelings are hurt. Really it's sexist of ye to assume lovie is meant for a woman.


  • #8775
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,841 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    growleaves wrote: »
    Deaths in nursing homes. I think you'll find that Norway, Denmark, Finland didn't have a huge number of nursing home deaths. Case closed.

    Sweden does and rising..


  • #8776
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    JRant wrote: »
    That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

    “Lads there is this new virus that looks like it’s killing 2% of those infected, what do we do”

    “Do you have clear evidence for this 2%”

    “Well it’s an evolving situation, might be lower or higher”

    “Nonsense, I dismiss thee as you have no evidence, come back to me if 100,000 people die to prove your theory”


  • #8777
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,841 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    LiquidZeb wrote: »
    It's a bit rich you getting offended when you've called people Nazis and myself a plank. Or does it only matter when your precious feelings are hurt. Really it's sexist of ye to assume lovie is meant for a woman.

    So you go around calling everyone lovie?
    Good luck with that!


  • #8778
    thebaz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,841 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    Arghus wrote: »
    One person mentioned that figure as his absolute worst case scenario. I don't accept that was a widely predicted likely figure at time - you think differently, fine.

    We disagree.

    73 cases today. But the danger is how quickly it spreads and how little immunity there is and that it is many times more dangerous than regular flu.

    You called me out on it - twice - as if I just made up the number - thats what a frightened Irish public was told - it is playing out like a bad flu - the death rate is not 2% , nevermind the 20% or 10% I have seen quoted on boards , some experts believe it could even be under .1% and that is on par with flu.


  • #8779
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,841 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    LiquidZeb wrote: »
    Sorry got you mixed up with someone else. My mistake

    Now who is gettingall emotional, lol!


  • #8780
    LiquidZeb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭LiquidZeb


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    So you go around calling everyone lovie?
    Good luck with that!

    Do you go around calling everyone a plank or a Nazi? Good luck! If you can't take it don't dish it out.


  • #8781
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    HSE operations report for today just released.

    A mixed bag really but overall still quite steady.

    As of 8pm 233 confirmed cases in acute hospitals, up from 218 yesterday, but still a major drop from Monday when it was at 288.

    As of 18:30 48 confirmed cases in ICU, which is the same as yesterday. Was expecting this to be higher after the CMOs comments earlier.

    Only 5 cases confirmed in Irish hospitals in the last 24hrs


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  • #8782
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,458 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    LiquidZeb wrote: »
    Alright keep hyperventilating in your little corner so I really couldn't care less.
    LiquidZeb wrote: »
    I suppose you struggle with numbers when you can't realize 30 deaths out of every grocery worker in America is absolutely non existent so maybe keep the petty digs at a minimum like a good lad.
    LiquidZeb wrote: »
    Cool down a bit lovie. You accused him of getting news from neo Nazi sources which is essentially the same thing. Please don't backtrack especially when you have several outbursts to your name already
    LiquidZeb wrote: »
    And what about you calling me plank and inferring someone else was a Nazi? Get off your high horse and look at your own posts. It's overemotional tosh.
    LiquidZeb wrote: »
    I will keep dragging it up. More than glad to bring up your ridiculous posts
    LiquidZeb wrote: »
    It's a bit rich you getting offended when you've called people Nazis and myself a plank. Or does it only matter when your precious feelings are hurt. Really it's sexist of ye to assume lovie is meant for a woman.
    Threadbanned


  • #8783
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,150 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    thebaz wrote: »
    You called me out on it - twice - as if I just made up the number - thats what a frightened Irish public was told - it is playing out like a bad flu - the death rate is not 2% , nevermind the 20% or 10% I have seen quoted on boards , some experts believe it could even be under .1% and that is on par with flu.

    It's far worse than flu.

    I'll link to this again:

    https://euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/

    If you look at their graph measuring excess mortality across all ages. It measures excess mortality for 2018, 2019 and what we have had so far for 2020. These people measure death rates from flu across Europe.

    The line on the graph representing 2020 is absolutely huge compared to the two previous years.


  • #8784
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    It’s gone a bit mad in here tonight


  • #8785
    JRant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,132 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    “Lads there is this new virus that looks like it’s killing 2% of those infected, what do we do”

    “Do you have clear evidence for this 2%”

    “Well it’s an evolving situation, might be lower or higher”

    “Nonsense, I dismiss thee as you have no evidence, come back to me if 100,000 people die to prove your theory”

    The initial lockdown was the right call as we just didn't know enough about this virus at the time. That was months ago and since then we know a hell of a lot more. We even have data from countries who went different routes to analyze.

    What we shouldn't do know is bury our heads in the sand and keep the country under severe restrictions for another 2.5 months.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • #8786
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,150 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    retro:electro wrote: »
    It’s gone a bit mad in here tonight

    I know.

    It's usually so peaceful!


  • #8787
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,557 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    JRant wrote: »
    The initial lockdown was the right call as we just didn't know enough about this virus at the time. That was months ago and since then we know a hell of a lot more. We even have data from countries who went different routes to analyze.

    What we shouldn't do know is bury our heads in the sand and keep the country under severe restrictions for another 2.5 months.

    The initial lockdown was to be expected in a hyper cautious conservative country. That good and fortunate initial circumstance, is now our Achilles heel


  • #8788
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,370 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    The initial lockdown was to be expected in a hyper cautious conservative country. That good and fortunate initial circumstance, is now our Achilles heel

    We're not such a conservative country though

    However the lockdowns were pretty much the same the world over, conservative or not. And it wasn't too long ago when people were looking for stricter ones on this forum.


  • #8789
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Arghus wrote: »
    I know.

    It's usually so peaceful!

    I LOL'd!


  • #8790
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭growleaves


    It measures excess mortality for 2018, 2019 and what we have had so far for 2020. These people measure death rates from flu across Europe.

    The line on the graph representing 2020 is absolutely huge compared to the two previous years.

    If you were to do a graph from 1950's to 2020 and adjust for population growth, 2020 would not be the worst year.


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  • #8791
    Charles Babbage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,377 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    growleaves wrote: »
    If you were to do a graph from 1950's to 2020 and adjust for population growth, 2020 would not be the worst year.


    It is only May so far!!


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