Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

political analyst · 26-05-2020 12:54PM

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

She wasn’t blaming anyone for her CF. She was pointing out that as a CF sufferer, Covid 19 would most likely kill her if she contracted it, and that there were many others like her across the country, so she was pleading with people not to let it spread - even if they themselves felt at low risk from it. The point is that everyone’s health, in relation to a communicable disease, is interconnected. Drinking in a crowded pub in Dublin can have consequences for someone in Kerry.

- only if some of them travelled to Kerry afterwards.

political analyst · 26-05-2020 12:58PM

Extension of restrictions and the ban on people going out for a walk (that was in Spain, of course, and has since been lifted) constitute collective punishment (prohibited by the Geneva Convention) because they restrict people's movements just because of a small possibility of having the virus and so punishes them for something that is nothing to do with them.

Obviously, 'Minority Report' was prescient.

political analyst · 26-05-2020 01:09PM

Strumms wrote: »

She was blaming them because that is the sort of behavior that would and could bring us back to square one.

That is the sort of behavior that could threaten her life and the lives of others with CF and other respiratory conditions.

CF is a terminal illness, in EVERY case. CF sufferers live every day with tremendous value. Good things have been achieved over the last 20 years... in the US the average lifespan of a CF patient is 37. 20 years plus ago it was less then half that. It WILL kill you, nobody recovers. The disease has been prevalent in our family so I know. One of my sisters died at 7 months, the other at 8 years.. approximately 900 people suffer with this condition at present in Ireland..

So you're blaming ordinary members of the public for your sister's death?

This virus would be fatal to CF sufferers but so would the flu, the common cold and even hay fever - but we don't have shutdowns in response to those ailments, do we?!

political analyst · 26-05-2020 01:12PM

I'm sorry that some people are in misery because of serious underlying health problems. But that doesn't mean that everyone else also has to be in misery.

Gregor Samsa · 26-05-2020 01:12PM

political analyst wrote: »

- only if some of them travelled to Kerry afterwards.

That's one way. Or if some of them spread it to other people that then travelled to Kerry afterwards. The chain of infection. I mean, you are aware that this travelled from China to Ireland. The possibility of it getting from Dublin to Kerry shoudln't be surprising. You understand her point now, right?

political analyst · 26-05-2020 01:13PM

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

That's one way. Or if some of them spread it to other people that then travelled to Kerry afterwards. The chain of infection. I mean, you are aware that this travelled from China to Ireland. The possibility of it getting from Dublin to Kerry shoudln't be surprising. You understand her point now, right?

Maybe the other people had the decency to avoid close contact with people with serious underlying health problems.

eagle eye · 26-05-2020 01:14PM

Gregor Samsa wrote:

But the point is that a predictable, structured cycle provides the confidence. Everyone goes into it knowing exactly when it will start, end and repeat. As opposed to an open ended extension of the current lockdown, or a second lockdown convened in panic, neither of which allow for any economic confidence (as we have been witnessing).

You can't predict and structure for a virus we don't know enough about.

Gregor Samsa · 26-05-2020 01:19PM

eagle eye wrote: »

You can't predict and structure for a virus we don't know enough about.

Every day, we get more knowlege. Again, I'm talking about a potential long term approach.

FishOnABike · 26-05-2020 01:24PM

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

Well, explain it to me then, instead of just saying no.

Businesses open and close every weekday. They take weekends off. in some countries, huge swathes of the economy completley close down for all of August every year. Many business sectors only run for a part of a year, every year. Explain how an economy couldn't adapt to regular, defined and expected cycles of full and partial productivity, and how this is would be more damaging that comletley closing down for an indeterminate length of time.

Because these are all well understood, dependable and predictable cycles e.g. tourist season starts mid March, peak months are June, July, August season closes at the end of October.

The virus might not be so predictably well behaved to work around planned business cycles. Repeated unplanned for restriction and release cycles would be the worst of worlds for a business to try to cope with.

26-05-2020 01:25PM

eagle eye wrote: »

You can't predict and structure for a virus we don't know enough about.

But we do know a lot more about it - lockdown suppresses, social distancing maintains

Gregor Samsa · 26-05-2020 01:29PM

political analyst wrote: »

Extension of restrictions and the ban on people going out for a walk (that was in Spain, of course, and has since been lifted) constitute collective punishment (prohibited by the Geneva Convention) because they restrict people's movements just because of a small possibility of having the virus and so punishes them for something that is nothing to do with them.

Obviously, 'Minority Report' was prescient.

It’s crazy that this has to be explained to you, but the Geneva Conventions (plural) are entirely about standards of humanitarian treatment in war. They have nothing to do with the civilian response to health crisis or pandemics. In any case, none of the restrictions introduced to curb the spread of the virus are a punishment in any legal sense of the word.

An Ciarraioch · 26-05-2020 01:29PM

First day without NI deaths in 69 days:

https://twitter.com/DarranMarshall/status/1265272508875444224

igCorcaigh · 26-05-2020 01:30PM

No covid deaths in NI is good news

Kermit.de.frog · 26-05-2020 01:31PM

More and more proof the measures have been a success in really suppressing the spread of the disease although seasonal factors are probably at play too.

This is great to see.

What Username Guidelines · 26-05-2020 01:31PM

No deaths in Northern Ireland, and just 28 new cases reported.

eagle eye · 26-05-2020 01:37PM

Deleted User wrote:

But we do know a lot more about it - lockdown suppresses, social distancing maintains

And Quarantine and testing eradicates.

26-05-2020 01:52PM

eagle eye wrote: »

And Quarantine and testing eradicates.

Eradication is not possible short of shutting the country off from the rest of the world for 12 months, as there are too many outbreaks globally.

wadacrack · 26-05-2020 01:55PM

eagle eye wrote: »

And Quarantine and testing eradicates.

80% of transmission related to mass gatherings indoors. Control that and I think we should be ok. Hopefully have the measures to control outbreaks

Strumms · 26-05-2020 01:57PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Of course he’s been hounded ffs. The media has been camped outside his house for days. A fecking digital truck was pulled up outside his house. He is not being paid to “lead”, you are thinking of Boris Johnson. Cummins is paid to advise.

He is the ‘Chief Advisor’ to the Prime Minister. It’s a leadership role that reports directly into the Private Secretary and he has an array of staff reporting to him.

Kermit.de.frog · 26-05-2020 03:05PM

The UK reports 141 new hospital deaths today but also over 4,000 new cases which is the highest since the start of the month. For the NHS they keep trumpeting they are struggling badly to put a lid on this.

Compared to everywhere else in Europe to still have that number of new cases is pretty bad at this stage.

What Username Guidelines · 26-05-2020 03:07PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The UK reports 134 new deaths today but also over 4,000 new cases which is the highest since the start of the month.

Compared to everywhere else in Europe that is pretty bad at this stage.

The totals match up between worldometers and source, but the 4,000 figure doesnt oddly enough - according to the tweet its +2,004 cases.

https://twitter.com/DHSCgovuk/status/1265280074053382148?s=20

Strumms · 26-05-2020 03:19PM

political analyst wrote: »

No, you don't get it. If you throw the economy out the window, there'll be less money for the Exchequer and then it won't be possible to fund an adequate health service - a scenario that certainly wouldn't help cystic fibrosis sufferers. At the end of the day, it's not their fault - it's nobody's fault at all - that some people have CF.

Nobody’s fault they have it, thanks for stating the fûcking obvious, nobody is saying that it is... what we are saying, again is that everyone of us, especially people in leadership positions have an absolute, unwavering and inexcusable obligation to follow to the fûcking absolute letter, whatever restrictions are placed upon us, to play by the rules and not waver.

26-05-2020 03:24PM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

The totals match up between worldometers and source, but the 4,000 figure doesnt oddly enough - according to the tweet its +2,004 cases.

https://twitter.com/DHSCgovuk/status/1265280074053382148?s=20

Its the difference between the cumulative totals from this update and the previous one that gives the 4,000 figure.

Edit. Its actually right there in the small print. 2039 historic cases -something like our Mater snafu?

JoChervil · 26-05-2020 03:40PM

Interesting site:

https://www.endcoronavirus.org/countries

How countries are beating it...

Non solum non ambulabit · 26-05-2020 03:48PM

JoChervil wrote: »

Interesting site:

https://www.endcoronavirus.org/countries

How countries are beating it...

Interesting graphics but i am not sure all countries are correctly categorised e.g Jordan and Syria are not winning

JoChervil · 26-05-2020 03:55PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Interesting graphics but i am not sure all countries are correctly categorised e.g Jordan and Syria are not winning

I think the number of new cases is important. With only 2 cases Syria is winning...

Non solum non ambulabit · 26-05-2020 03:58PM

JoChervil wrote: »

I think the number of new cases is important. With only 2 cases Syria is winning...

Maybe. Just looking at the graph shapes.

stephenjmcd · 26-05-2020 04:12PM

Italy reports 397 new cases and 78 deaths

Strumms · 26-05-2020 04:15PM

political analyst wrote: »

So you're blaming ordinary members of the public for your sister's death?

This virus would be fatal to CF sufferers but so would the flu, the common cold and even hay fever - but we don't have shutdowns in response to those ailments, do we?!

I didn’t blame anybody, you should calm yourself and go and have another read, when composed do your best to understand the content and context.

Plenty of CF sufferers catch a cold, the flu and have hay fever and don’t die because of this.

The likelihood though of that happening with covid is much higher.

Icantthinkof1 · 26-05-2020 04:30PM

Professor Karol Sikora (@ProfKarolSikora) Tweeted:
Really encouraging to read Dr María Neira, the WHO Director for Public Health, say their models are showing a second wave being increasingly ruled out.

Caution required, but she thinks that the virus will have a hard time surviving.

The most optimistic the WHO have been!

Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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