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Is it just me or have SF vanished?

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  • #5552
    Bishop of hope
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,326 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    What 'should' they have done?

    Something else anyway.
    What exactly did they gain from it?


  • #5553
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Bishop of hope wrote: »
    Something else anyway.
    What exactly did they gain from it?

    The something else was to collaspe stormont?

    Which ironically this instance ultimately lead to


  • #5554
    piplip87
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,218 ✭✭✭piplip87


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    What 'should' they have done?

    The same thing every other party is every other government does in the world. Negotiate with your partners in government, if that doesn't work call and election.

    The same thing with "Cash for Ash" you investigate these things in parliament you do not leave a region without a working Assembly for three years while going through one of the most turbulent issues these islands have ever faced.


  • #5555
    Bishop of hope
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,326 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    The something else was to collaspe stormont?

    Which ironically this instance ultimately lead to

    But what did it gain NI or its people or SF for that matter.
    They're back in there now with the very same crew and taking what Boris decides to throw them.
    It's been presented on here how they have no power anyway, by their own supporters even.


  • #5556
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Bishop of hope wrote: »
    But what did it gain NI or its people or SF for that matter.
    They're back in there now with the very same crew and taking what Boris decides to throw them.
    It's been presented on here how they have no power anyway, by their own supporters even.

    Its a joke anyway imo.....time to pull the plug on it....its quarter of a century and unionists still cant bring emselves to allow an irish language act or basic social reform


    Why bother entertaining em anymore,push on with unity imo


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  • #5557
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,871 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    piplip87 wrote: »
    The same thing every other party is every other government does in the world. Negotiate with your partners in government, if that doesn't work call and election.

    Are you aware that northern Ireland collapsed into a 40 year conflict/war over these issues?
    Are you aware that there is an unprecedented agreement between two sovereign governments on running the place?
    Are you aware that all the political parties signed a 'Multi-Party agreement endorsing the international agreement EXCEPT one party. The very same one that SF had to, after 20 years of trying to 'negotiate' with, walkaway from?

    Inform yourself as to how the GFA had stagnated to a point that it had stalled.

    The same thing with "Cash for Ash" you investigate these things in parliament you do not leave a region without a working Assembly for three years while going through one of the most turbulent issues these islands have ever faced.

    No, you don't 'investigate in Parliament' (the Executive is NOT a parliament) you set up an independent inquiry that cannot be interfered with by somebody still in power.
    Which is what happened by dint of SF walking out. That inquiry laid the blame where it belonged.


  • #5558
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    What 'should' they have done?

    You and others were calling Leo a liar here for attacking Sinn Féins handling of the welfare payments in the north when you knew Sinn Féin handed back that power

    I'd say Wow
    Only I'm not surprised


  • #5559
    Bishop of hope
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,326 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Its a joke anyway imo.....time to pull the plug on it....its quarter of a century and unionists still cant bring emselves to allow an irish language act or basic social reform


    Why bother entertaining em anymore,push on with unity imo

    But there's a hypocrisy in there participation in it.
    Is voters only reason for supporting them Irish unity?


  • #5560
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Bishop of hope wrote: »
    But there's a hypocrisy in there participation in it.
    Is voters only reason for supporting them Irish unity?

    Idk....i vote for em,as im over the way FFG run the country....id likely give soc dems number 1,if they were in my area


    But i do believe in unity here,i think we can afford it,and it will benefit the poorest most....(near certain its in FF and Fg,and labour constitution to support reunification,its hardly a position unique to shinnerz,but admitely they are most active)


  • #5561
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,871 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    You and others were calling Leo a liar here for attacking Sinn Féins handling of the welfare payments in the north when you knew Sinn Féin handed back that power

    I'd say Wow
    Only I'm not surprised



    No devolved government has control of the minimum wage...Leo even got schooled on that by a Welsh representative. He made a fool of himself.


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  • #5562
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    You and others were calling Leo a liar here for attacking Sinn Féins handling of the welfare payments in the north when you knew Sinn Féin handed back that power

    I'd say Wow
    Only I'm not surprised

    Am i missing something,or were those complaining right,as they dont have control?


  • #5563
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    No devolved government has control of the minimum wage...Leo even got schooled on that by a Welsh representative. He made a fool of himself.

    Yeah ignore all he said
    Yeah row backwards

    Funny how you didnt want to school us on Sinn Féin handing back a financial power


  • #5564
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Am i missing something,or were those complaining right,as they dont have control?

    They gave it back like good republicans to her majesty


  • #5565
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    They gave it back like good republicans to her majesty

    Seems to me,this is an admission,they were indeed correct?


    Time to pull plug on stormont anyway,deosnt work


  • #5566
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,871 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    Yeah ignore all he said
    Yeah row backwards

    Funny how you didnt want to school us on Sinn Féin handing back a financial power

    Leo lied. I didn't 'ignore' anything.

    No devolved government has power to change this.


  • #5567
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Seems to me,this is an admission,they were indeed correct?


    Time to pull plug on stormont anyway,deosnt work

    Nope, theres good reason why MLM was stunned into silence on the day
    Because she'd have any argument hanged knowing that austerity in the north could have been thwarted by Sinn Féin

    As for pulling the plug on Stormont, is that the view up north,I doubt it


  • #5568
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Leo lied. I didn't 'ignore' anything.

    No devolved government has power to change this.

    Change what


  • #5569
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    Nope, theres good reason why MLM was stunned into silence on the day
    Because she'd have any argument hanged knowing that austerity in the north could have been thwarted by Sinn Féin

    As for pulling the plug on Stormont, is that the view up north,I doubt it


    She wasnt allowed reply afaik (dail protocol)

    Like your complaining on people pointing out stormont dont set welfare rates,while simutaneously trying to make hay on fact westminster deos (due to a vote to allow this)

    :pac:



    Pull the plug,its a waste of time imho


  • #5570
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,871 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    Change what

    It's school day again.
    The Assembly has authority to legislate in a field of competences known as "transferred matters". These matters are not explicitly given in the Northern Ireland Act 1998. Rather they include any competence not explicitly retained by the Parliament at Westminster. Powers reserved by Westminster are divided into "excepted matters", which it retains indefinitely, and "reserved matters", which may be transferred to the competence of the Northern Ireland Assembly at a future date. A list of transferred, reserved and excepted matters is given below.


    Acts of the Northern Ireland Assembly as with other subordinate legislatures are subject to judicial review. A law can be struck down if it is found to:

    exceed the competences of the Assembly;
    violate European Union law;
    violate the European Convention on Human Rights; or
    discriminate against individuals on the grounds of political opinion or religious belief.
    Transferred matters
    A transferred matter is defined as "any matter which is not an excepted or reserved matter".[27] There is therefore no full listing of transferred matters but they have been grouped into the responsibilities of the Northern Ireland Executive ministers:

    Agriculture, Environment and Rural Affairs
    Communities
    Economy
    Education
    Finance
    Health
    Infrastructure
    Justice
    First and deputy First Minister
    Reserved matters
    Reserved matters are outlined in Schedule 3 of the Northern Ireland Act 1998:[28]

    Navigation (including merchant shipping)
    Civil aviation
    The foreshore, sea bed and subsoil and their natural resources
    Postal services
    Import and export controls, external trade
    National minimum wage
    Financial services
    Financial markets
    Intellectual property
    Units of measurement
    Telecommunications, Broadcasting, Internet services
    The National Lottery
    Xenotransplantation
    Surrogacy
    Human fertilisation and embryology
    Human genetics
    Consumer safety in relation to goods


  • #5571
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    While you are selectively schooling/lecturing (yet again) Francie,perhaps you could explain why SF in 20 years has not brought over min wage powers to NI
    Point me to just one bill introduced in Westminster
    They've had plenty strong negotiation periods to do so if they cared


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  • #5572
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,871 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    While you are selectively schooling/lecturing (yet again) Francie,perhaps you could explain why SF in 20 years has not brought over min wage powers to NI
    Point me to just one bill introduced in Westminster
    They've had plenty strong negotiation periods to do so if they cared

    Why did SF not do something no other devolved government has done and make Leo right about what he said, you mean?

    Can we live in the real world for a while Mort?


  • #5573
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Why did SF not do something no other devolved government has done and make Leo right about what he said, you mean?

    Can we live in the real world for a while Mort?

    Are you dodging my question again
    As a reserved matter in 20 years,please point me to where SF even attempted to have a bill included at Westminster to devolve min wage,at one of their many strong negotiating situations during that time ? They mustn't have cared


  • #5574
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,871 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    Are you dodging my question again
    As a reserved matter in 20 years,please point me to where SF even attempted to have a bill included at Westminster to devolve min wage,at one of their many strong negotiating situations during that time ? They mustn't have cared

    You can flog away at that horse that you know full well is dead as a doornail.

    Did Leo lie about the situation with the minimum wage and the power to change it in NI and any devolved institution of the UK?

    Yes he did.


  • #5575
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    You can flog away at that horse that you know full well is dead as a doornail.

    Did Leo lie about the situation with the minimum wage and the power to change it in NI and any devolved institution of the UK?

    Yes he did.

    No he didn't and ye know he didn't
    SF politics is all talk the talk but no walk the walk (except walking away from social welfare powers)
    Ye in 20 years obviously done nothing about min wage in NI
    Little wonder Leo was taking no lectures on the subject given Dublins good record on both it and social welfare


  • #5576
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,871 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    No he didn't and ye know he didn't

    Does any devolved administration have the power to set a different minimum wage to the one set by Westminster = NO it hasn't.
    Did Leo infer that a single political party could do this = Yes he did.

    Now, can you define what a lie is Mort?

    SF politics is all talk the talk but no walk the walk (except walking away from social welfare powers)
    Ye in 20 years obviously done nothing about min wage in NI
    Little wonder Leo was taking no lectures on the subject given Dublins good record on both it and social welfare

    Leo, wasn't 'lectured' about the minimum wage, he lost the run of himself, lied and dropped his party into a social media frenzy where FG hypocrisy and holier than thou nonsense got exposed.

    You are clearly still smarting from that.

    By all means attack any political party for their failures (they all have them) don't lie and deceive about it though because you invariably end up looking the fool.

    *We'll leave FG raising the Minimum Wage as an election approached and the allegations about 'buying the election' for another day.
    One hypocritical event at a time, sweet Jebus, and all that.


  • #5577
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Does any devolved administration have the power to set a different minimum wage to the one set by Westminster = NO it hasn't.
    Did Leo infer that a single political party could do this = Yes he did.
    They had 20 years to get it,where was it in the st Andrew's agreement for example?
    It's not there and not moved because SF don't care about it enough


    Leo, wasn't 'lectured' about the minimum wage, he lost the run of himself, lied and dropped his party into a social media frenzy where FG hypocrisy and holier than thou nonsense got exposed.

    You are clearly still smarting from that.
    As I said,he did not lie and you guys have made no attempt to change the minimum wage in NI in 20 years when you could have brought the power over
    Ye didnt care enough basically
    No point dodging that by asking me to look over there (at Scotland or Wales) ,that would be you deflecting again OR indeed mentioning the SFOS Twitter team
    Like 99% of the country,I don't see their missives, or those of their colleagues in FG or any other party,so certainly won't be 'smarting' about it
    By all means attack any political party for their failures (they all have them) don't lie and deceive about it though because you invariably end up looking the fool.
    Not one iota from you on why SF didnt even request min wage powers in 20 years despite many strong negotiating situations
    Talking the talk again,no walking the walk
    *We'll leave FG raising the Minimum Wage as an election approached and the allegations about 'buying the election' for another day.
    One hypocritical event at a time, sweet Jebus, and all that.
    If deflection doesn't work,make stuff up
    I understand
    S.O.P I suppose


  • #5578
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,871 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    They had 20 years to get it,where was it in the st Andrew's agreement for example?
    It's not there and not moved because SF don't care about it enough



    As I said,he did not lie and you guys have made no attempt to change the minimum wage in NI in 20 years when you could have brought the power over
    Ye didnt care enough basically
    No point dodging that by asking me to look over there (at Scotland or Wales) ,that would be you deflecting again OR indeed mentioning the SFOS Twitter team
    Like 99% of the country,I don't see their missives, or those of their colleagues in FG or any other party,so certainly won't be 'smarting' about it


    Not one iota from you on why SF didnt even request min wage powers in 20 years despite many strong negotiating situations
    Talking the talk again,no walking the walk


    If deflection doesn't work,make stuff up
    I understand
    S.O.P I suppose

    You are just lashing out the insults now Mort.

    No devolved administration has the power to affect the Minimum Wage. Leo criticised a single political party for not doing it.

    That was a lie. And it was a lie on top of hypocrisy about food parcels.

    And as usual it backfired on Leo and FG, they did it all through the election campaign. He and you will get over it no doubt,to do it again.

    As has been stated, Leo is the gift that keeps on giving.


  • #5579
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    You are just lashing out the insults now Mort.

    No devolved administration has the power to affect the Minimum Wage. Leo criticised a single political party for not doing it.

    That was a lie. And it was a lie on top of hypocrisy about food parcels.

    And as usual it backfired on Leo and FG, they did it all through the election campaign. He and you will get over it no doubt,to do it again.

    As has been stated, Leo is the gift that keeps on giving.
    Leo had a Strong point
    In response ,All the above from you and not an iota on not bringing over the minimum wage power in 20 years,just look over there ,THEY (Scotland and Wales) didn't do it deflection
    Meantime ye give social welfare powers back to Westminster where ye don't sit
    Honestly an outsider would be forgiven for thinking ye are more unionist than the unionists


  • #5580
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,871 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    Leo had a Strong point

    Sure he did, if you like your points to be contra factual.

    No problem if he wants to criticise, but yes, I have a problem when he lies and engages in hypocrisy. As did social media - almost instantaneously.

    Another in a long line of rants, mis-information campaigns that have backfired on FG.


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  • #5581
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    contra factual..

    Super phrase to describe SF not being able over 20 years to do anything about minimum wage in Northern Ireland


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