FrancieBrady wrote: » What 'should' they have done?
Bishop of hope wrote: » Something else anyway. What exactly did they gain from it?
[Deleted User] wrote: » The something else was to collaspe stormont? Which ironically this instance ultimately lead to
Bishop of hope wrote: » But what did it gain NI or its people or SF for that matter. They're back in there now with the very same crew and taking what Boris decides to throw them. It's been presented on here how they have no power anyway, by their own supporters even.
piplip87 wrote: » The same thing every other party is every other government does in the world. Negotiate with your partners in government, if that doesn't work call and election.
The same thing with "Cash for Ash" you investigate these things in parliament you do not leave a region without a working Assembly for three years while going through one of the most turbulent issues these islands have ever faced.
[Deleted User] wrote: » Its a joke anyway imo.....time to pull the plug on it....its quarter of a century and unionists still cant bring emselves to allow an irish language act or basic social reform Why bother entertaining em anymore,push on with unity imo
Bishop of hope wrote: » But there's a hypocrisy in there participation in it. Is voters only reason for supporting them Irish unity?
Mortelaro wrote: » You and others were calling Leo a liar here for attacking Sinn Féins handling of the welfare payments in the north when you knew Sinn Féin handed back that power I'd say Wow Only I'm not surprised
FrancieBrady wrote: » No devolved government has control of the minimum wage...Leo even got schooled on that by a Welsh representative. He made a fool of himself.
[Deleted User] wrote: » Am i missing something,or were those complaining right,as they dont have control?
Mortelaro wrote: » They gave it back like good republicans to her majesty
Mortelaro wrote: » Yeah ignore all he said Yeah row backwards Funny how you didnt want to school us on Sinn Féin handing back a financial power
[Deleted User] wrote: » Seems to me,this is an admission,they were indeed correct? Time to pull plug on stormont anyway,deosnt work
FrancieBrady wrote: » Leo lied. I didn't 'ignore' anything. No devolved government has power to change this.
Mortelaro wrote: » Nope, theres good reason why MLM was stunned into silence on the day Because she'd have any argument hanged knowing that austerity in the north could have been thwarted by Sinn Féin As for pulling the plug on Stormont, is that the view up north,I doubt it
Mortelaro wrote: » Change what
The Assembly has authority to legislate in a field of competences known as "transferred matters". These matters are not explicitly given in the Northern Ireland Act 1998. Rather they include any competence not explicitly retained by the Parliament at Westminster. Powers reserved by Westminster are divided into "excepted matters", which it retains indefinitely, and "reserved matters", which may be transferred to the competence of the Northern Ireland Assembly at a future date. A list of transferred, reserved and excepted matters is given below. Acts of the Northern Ireland Assembly as with other subordinate legislatures are subject to judicial review. A law can be struck down if it is found to: exceed the competences of the Assembly; violate European Union law; violate the European Convention on Human Rights; or discriminate against individuals on the grounds of political opinion or religious belief.Transferred matters A transferred matter is defined as "any matter which is not an excepted or reserved matter".[27] There is therefore no full listing of transferred matters but they have been grouped into the responsibilities of the Northern Ireland Executive ministers: Agriculture, Environment and Rural Affairs Communities Economy Education Finance Health Infrastructure Justice First and deputy First MinisterReserved matters Reserved matters are outlined in Schedule 3 of the Northern Ireland Act 1998:[28] Navigation (including merchant shipping) Civil aviation The foreshore, sea bed and subsoil and their natural resources Postal services Import and export controls, external tradeNational minimum wage Financial services Financial markets Intellectual property Units of measurement Telecommunications, Broadcasting, Internet services The National Lottery Xenotransplantation Surrogacy Human fertilisation and embryology Human genetics Consumer safety in relation to goods
Mortelaro wrote: » While you are selectively schooling/lecturing (yet again) Francie,perhaps you could explain why SF in 20 years has not brought over min wage powers to NI Point me to just one bill introduced in Westminster They've had plenty strong negotiation periods to do so if they cared
FrancieBrady wrote: » Why did SF not do something no other devolved government has done and make Leo right about what he said, you mean? Can we live in the real world for a while Mort?
Mortelaro wrote: » Are you dodging my question again As a reserved matter in 20 years,please point me to where SF even attempted to have a bill included at Westminster to devolve min wage,at one of their many strong negotiating situations during that time ? They mustn't have cared
FrancieBrady wrote: » You can flog away at that horse that you know full well is dead as a doornail. Did Leo lie about the situation with the minimum wage and the power to change it in NI and any devolved institution of the UK? Yes he did.
Mortelaro wrote: » No he didn't and ye know he didn't
SF politics is all talk the talk but no walk the walk (except walking away from social welfare powers) Ye in 20 years obviously done nothing about min wage in NI Little wonder Leo was taking no lectures on the subject given Dublins good record on both it and social welfare
FrancieBrady wrote: » Does any devolved administration have the power to set a different minimum wage to the one set by Westminster = NO it hasn't. Did Leo infer that a single political party could do this = Yes he did.
Leo, wasn't 'lectured' about the minimum wage, he lost the run of himself, lied and dropped his party into a social media frenzy where FG hypocrisy and holier than thou nonsense got exposed. You are clearly still smarting from that.
By all means attack any political party for their failures (they all have them) don't lie and deceive about it though because you invariably end up looking the fool.
*We'll leave FG raising the Minimum Wage as an election approached and the allegations about 'buying the election' for another day. One hypocritical event at a time, sweet Jebus, and all that.
Mortelaro wrote: » They had 20 years to get it,where was it in the st Andrew's agreement for example? It's not there and not moved because SF don't care about it enough As I said,he did not lie and you guys have made no attempt to change the minimum wage in NI in 20 years when you could have brought the power over Ye didnt care enough basically No point dodging that by asking me to look over there (at Scotland or Wales) ,that would be you deflecting again OR indeed mentioning the SFOS Twitter team Like 99% of the country,I don't see their missives, or those of their colleagues in FG or any other party,so certainly won't be 'smarting' about it Not one iota from you on why SF didnt even request min wage powers in 20 years despite many strong negotiating situations Talking the talk again,no walking the walk If deflection doesn't work,make stuff up I understand S.O.P I suppose
FrancieBrady wrote: » You are just lashing out the insults now Mort. No devolved administration has the power to affect the Minimum Wage. Leo criticised a single political party for not doing it. That was a lie. And it was a lie on top of hypocrisy about food parcels. And as usual it backfired on Leo and FG, they did it all through the election campaign. He and you will get over it no doubt,to do it again. As has been stated, Leo is the gift that keeps on giving.
Mortelaro wrote: » Leo had a Strong point
FrancieBrady wrote: » contra factual..
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