Is it just me or have SF vanished?

blanch152 · 22-05-2020 04:44PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So you just invented 20 mins. Very good.

Deleted User wrote: »

That was a fairly brutal exposure of a fantasist

Kinda suprised he walked right into it

10/10 internetting skills

Ah here lads, come off it.

Looking very comfortable, relaxed, deep in conversation, that wasn't a quick jump-in for a photo opportunity.

As I said, Louise wasn't known for her brevity back in the union days, unless she was walking out.

Your credibility in comparing the two situations is just completely shot.

FrancieBrady · 22-05-2020 04:52PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Ah here lads, come off it.

Looking very comfortable, relaxed, deep in conversation, that wasn't a quick jump-in for a photo opportunity.

As I said, Louise wasn't known for her brevity back in the union days, unless she was walking out.

Your credibility in comparing the two situations is just completely shot.

Car waiting...two cups in her hand?

You made up 20 mins hoping it would fly. You are a chancer in other words. Throw a wee bit of male chauvinism and sexism in there too to try and mask it.

McMurphy · 22-05-2020 04:56PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Ah here lads, come off it.

Looking very comfortable, relaxed, deep in conversation, that wasn't a quick jump-in for a photo opportunity.

As I said, Louise wasn't known for her brevity back in the union days, unless she was walking out.

Your credibility in comparing the two situations is just completely shot.

This tweet from the Twitter thread kind of goes along the same line as your own excuses blanch.

https://twitter.com/McDonaghDJ/status/1263437848490971136?s=19

22-05-2020 05:59PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Ah here lads, come off it.

Looking very comfortable, relaxed, deep in conversation, that wasn't a quick jump-in for a photo opportunity.

As I said, Louise wasn't known for her brevity back in the union days, unless she was walking out.

Your credibility in comparing the two situations is just completely shot.

As opposed to your credibilty,where you just make sh1t up ??

Like,i know,these are difficuly times for you,but its serious lolcow position to try berate others for laughing at you for making stuff up

piplip87 · 23-05-2020 10:47AM

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/sinn-f%C3%A9in-under-fire-over-welfare-cuts-move-1.2435441?mode=amp

So SF Northern Branch are supporting a motion to give more power to Westminster. Once again showing that they are not willing to make hard decisions, they would rather pawn off the responsibility and blame to Westminster.

No doubt next year they will launch a campaign if any welfare cuts are introduced blaming everybody else.

It's clear at this stage SF are not fit to govern. They collapsed the assembly over issues that would be dealt with in Parliament. They managed to keep it closed until Brexit happened so they could wash their hands of it.

How anybody who sees themselves as a Republican can actually vote for a party that hands more power to Westminster to save themselves making tough decisions is beyond me.

FrancieBrady · 23-05-2020 12:08PM

piplip87 wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/sinn-f%C3%A9in-under-fire-over-welfare-cuts-move-1.2435441?mode=amp

So SF Northern Branch are supporting a motion to give more power to Westminster. Once again showing that they are not willing to make hard decisions, they would rather pawn off the responsibility and blame to Westminster.

No doubt next year they will launch a campaign if any welfare cuts are introduced blaming everybody else.

It's clear at this stage SF are not fit to govern. They collapsed the assembly over issues that would be dealt with in Parliament. They managed to keep it closed until Brexit happened so they could wash their hands of it.

How anybody who sees themselves as a Republican can actually vote for a party that hands more power to Westminster to save themselves making tough decisions is beyond me.

2015??

a very cool kid · 23-05-2020 12:18PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

2015??

While it's a but strange to pull up an old link I guess the point stands....

You can't whinge about "austerity", "workers" and the "tories pulling the strings" when it was your idea to give them the power to make the same cuts.

FrancieBrady · 23-05-2020 12:20PM

a very cool kid wrote: »

While it's a but strange to pull up an old link I guess the point stands....

You can't whinge about "austerity", "workers" and the "tories pulling the strings" when it was your idea to give them the power to make the same cuts.

Well there has been the passage of time since that...so adjust your date setting and research why they did that.

da_miser · 23-05-2020 12:22PM

SF if the are smart will take a step back and let FF/FG get on with running the country..............into the ground.
SF will clean up at the next election , they dont have enough TD's to form a government this time, but next time will be different

Mortelaro · 23-05-2020 12:27PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Well there has been the passage of time since that...so adjust your date setting and research why they did that.

That's a very brief response Francie? Holding?
I'd suggest a follow up email to SFHQ asking for more clarity in the reply
I'd do it myself but I'd say you'd get a faster reply

FrancieBrady · 23-05-2020 12:29PM

Mortelaro wrote: »

That's a very brief response Francie? Holding?
I'd suggest a follow up email to SFHQ asking for more clarity in the reply
I'd do it myself but I'd say you'd get a faster reply

efanton covered this yesterday.

Boredom Morte is the problem with me this AM...I could not be arsed researching for people who cannot look at the date line on a newspaper.

Mortelaro · 23-05-2020 12:35PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

efanton covered this yesterday.

Boredom Morte is the problem with me this AM...I could not be arsed researching for people who cannot look at the date line on a newspaper.

I generally don't go beyond the first line of efanton because of too many inaccuracies
The make up of DCC yesterday being the latest
So when you're rested
I actually didnt know powers were voluntarily either not taken or handed back
The problem with having financial powers is NI is not viable in it's own right

FrancieBrady · 23-05-2020 12:38PM

Mortelaro wrote: »

I generally don't go beyond the first line of efanton because of too many inaccuracies
The make up of DCC yesterday being the latest
So when you're rested
I actually didnt know powers were voluntarily either not taken or handed back
The problem with having financial powers is NI is not viable in it's own right

Well you may look it up...what efanton wrote - and take it up with him/her.

I accept what he/she said about it and what has been posted here many times about it.

23-05-2020 12:46PM

Mortelaro wrote: »

I generally don't go beyond the first line of efanton because of too many inaccuracies
The make up of DCC yesterday being the latest
So when you're rested
I actually didnt know powers were voluntarily either not taken or handed back
The problem with having financial powers is NI is not viable in it's own right

Iirc it was something along lines of the DUP blocking budgets at the time and stormont being on brink of collaspe,if their wasnt a budget (its a joke of a government anyway,deosnt work)

So to prevent collaspe,westminster handed control to admin the budget,the DUP learned quite alot politically from this exercise and used same blaggarding over next year or 2 to repeatdely block legislation/reform,

Eventually overreaching and,thus insuring stormonts collaspre for years on end, being inevitable outcome over a relatively modest compromise in the end

Mortelaro · 23-05-2020 01:00PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Iirc it was something along lines of the DUP blocking budgets at the time and stormont being on brink of collaspe,if their wasnt a budget (its a joke of a government anyway,deosnt work)

So to prevent collaspe,westminster handed control to admin the budget,the DUP learned quite alot politically from this exercise and used same blaggarding over next year or 2 to repeatdely block legislation/reform,

Eventually overreaching and,thus insuring stormonts collaspre for years on end, being inevitable outcome over a relatively modest compromise in the end

That's one way of looking at it
However why was the SDLP against this?

23-05-2020 01:14PM

Mortelaro wrote: »

That's one way of looking at it
However why was the SDLP against this?

That is something i have wondered about,iirc they opposed some of budgets aswell

(its like years ago,wasnt living.here then,so im bit off on the details in my memory!)

Though should be asked,why varadkar taught welfare was admin from the 6 counties(personally im not fan of stormont anyway,it deosnt work and has only served to entrench unionism into a needless dogfight)

Edgware · 23-05-2020 01:18PM

da_miser wrote: »

SF if the are smart will take a step back and let FF/FG get on with running the country..............into the ground.
SF will clean up at the next election , they dont have enough TD's to form a government this time, but next time will be different

And then you woke up

FrancieBrady · 23-05-2020 01:22PM

Edgware wrote: »

And then you woke up

Isn't that the 'nightmare' scenario that FF and FG backbenchers have been giving vent to?

Blueshoe · 23-05-2020 01:25PM

FF percentage of vote 22.2%
Popular vote 484,320

SF percentage of vote 24.5%
Popular vote 535,595

FF percentage of vote 20.9%
Popular vote 455,584

Gp percentage of vote 7.1%
Popular vote 155,700

Edgware · 23-05-2020 01:47PM

Blueshoe wrote: »

FF percentage of vote 22.2%
Popular vote 484,320

SF percentage of vote 24.5%
Popular vote 535,595

FF percentage of vote 20.9%
Popular vote 455,584

Gp percentage of vote 7.1%
Popular vote 155,700

Popular vote. Where in the Constitution is that mentioned?

Poor_old_gill · 23-05-2020 04:16PM

da_miser wrote: »

SF if the are smart will take a step back and let FF/FG get on with running the country..............into the ground.
SF will clean up at the next election , they dont have enough TD's to form a government this time, but next time will be different

And next stop- we’ll be the Albania of Western Europe.

SF is not a coherent party- see it’s combo of some impressive TDs, some former Ra heads, anti- vaxers, conspiracy theorists and charlatans.

The message of some is interesting but there’s a whole like of loon ball behind the competent members & if history has thought us anythingA it’s that the loon balls will win out over the more ‘moderate’ members of the party.

The issue I would then have with the reasonable wing of the party is their utter failure to rule in NI.

The dereliction of duties, petty squabbles and non existent economic growth in NI should be ringing serious alarm bells in people’s heads.

Yeah we all like a rebel tunes sing song after a few pints but this hangover won’t be anywhere near worth it.

da_miser · 23-05-2020 07:03PM

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

The issue I would then have with the reasonable wing of the party is their utter failure to rule in NI.

The dereliction of duties, petty squabbles and non existent economic growth in NI should be ringing serious alarm bells in people’s heads..

Fact is it's not in SF interests to be successful in the North.
Why would the people want change if the North was economically prosperous?
If every thing is hunky dory why risk unification with the South?

SF need to get into power down South, Work hard and be the best government possible, get the economy going, make Ireland a leading country in many fields and then up North they can say, the North could have all that as well if there is unification, but London is holding back the Norths potential.

Bishop of hope · 24-05-2020 08:21AM

da_miser wrote: »

Fact is it's not in SF interests to be successful in the North.
Why would the people want change if the North was economically prosperous?
If every thing is hunky dory why risk unification with the South?

SF need to get into power down South, Work hard and be the best government possible, get the economy going, make Ireland a leading country in many fields and then up North they can say, the North could have all that as well if there is unification, but London is holding back the Norths potential.

But SF are successful in the north?
Hard to know what you are getting at with your last two posts.

Poor_old_gill · 24-05-2020 10:44AM

da_miser wrote: »

Fact is it's not in SF interests to be successful in the North.
Why would the people want change if the North was economically prosperous?
If every thing is hunky dory why risk unification with the South?

SF need to get into power down South, Work hard and be the best government possible, get the economy going, make Ireland a leading country in many fields and then up North they can say, the North could have all that as well if there is unification, but London is holding back the Norths potential.

That’s a cultish leap of faith opinion - worrying stuff.

Maybe they just aren’t able to govern, as the evidence suggests.

The funny thing about your ‘point’ is that the south already is streets ahead of the north economically and that’s been achieved without SF.

So the south is doing substantially better without SF ever having been anywhere near power and the north, where SF has been in power, is a failed state living on handouts - and you think that this is some grand plan?

FrancieBrady · 24-05-2020 11:36AM

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

That’s a cultish leap of faith opinion - worrying stuff.

Maybe they just aren’t able to govern, as the evidence suggests.

The funny thing about your ‘point’ is that the south already is streets ahead of the north economically and that’s been achieved without SF.

So the south is doing substantially better without SF ever having been anywhere near power and the north, where SF has been in power, is a failed state living on handouts - and you think that this is some grand plan?

The first thing SF should do in Government here is to subsidise classes for those who think being in the Executive in Belfast is the same thing as being in The Dáil in Dublin.

It is ridiculous that people are still making the comparison.

piplip87 · 24-05-2020 11:45AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The first thing SF should do in Government here is to subsidise classes for those who think being in the Executive in Belfast is the same thing as being in The Dáil in Dublin.

It is ridiculous that people are still making the comparison.

Yet SF voted to hand back power to Westminster regarding welfare cuts a few years ago. They are now screaming about how they have no power over the same issue they decided to hand back to Westminster......

They have constantly shown in the North that they are not fit to govern. Collapsing the assembly over issues that should be dealt with in Parliament.

So since 2015 they have purposely handed power over to Westminster twice, Yet they claim to be Irish Republicans ?

Poor_old_gill · 24-05-2020 11:48AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The first thing SF should do in Government here is to subsidise classes for those who think being in the Executive in Belfast is the same thing as being in The Dáil in Dublin.

It is ridiculous that people are still making the comparison.

Nonsense- same party, same ideology, same people running it.

They’ve crystallised failure in the north - that’s the only evidence that we have of them in power

FrancieBrady · 24-05-2020 11:50AM

piplip87 wrote: »

Yet SF voted to hand back power to Westminster regarding welfare cuts a few years ago. They are now screaming about how they have no power over the same issue they decided to hand back to Westminster......

They have constantly shown in the North that they are not fit to govern. Collapsing the assembly over issues that should be dealt with in Parliament.

So since 2015 they have purposely handed power over to Westminster twice, Yet they claim to be Irish Republicans ?

The truth of what happened there was pointed out to you when you posted what you thought was a current article yesterday.

It just makes you look incredibly uninformed.

Being uninformed is one thing, refusing to take on board when it is explained to you is a much more serious issue for your credibility.

piplip87 · 24-05-2020 11:56AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The truth of what happened there was pointed out to you when you posted what you thought was a current article yesterday.

It just makes you look incredibly uninformed.

Being uninformed is one thing, refusing to take on board when it is explained to you is a much more serious issue for your credibility.

No I took that on board but yet the fact is that SF still handed power willingly back to Westminster. It's laughable.

So if SF enter government here and cannot agree a budget with their partners. Are they going to be asking Borris to come back and take control of the countries finances ?

FrancieBrady · 24-05-2020 11:59AM

piplip87 wrote: »

No I took that on board but yet the fact is that SF still handed power willingly back to Westminster. It's laughable.

What 'should' they have done?

Is it just me or have SF vanished?

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