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Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 305 ✭✭MrDavid1976


    eagle eye wrote: »
    So basically it's ok to be responsible for killing people.
    Make no mistake about it these are the places you find a lot of the buffoons who think they know all and won't spread anything.
    Let's not take the recent lessons we've learned from people being in close contact in meat factories and let's not remember nursing homes. Nothing to worry about here, let it all hang out.

    There is risk in everything. It is about mitigating the risks - reduce capacity, staggered exits from games, close the bars.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 242 ✭✭Flickerfusion


    Reduced capacity at some events will render them uneconomic though. For sports, maybe, might work, particularly if income's coming from tv rights / on screen ads and so on, but for a lot of other things it really won't, or it will make the cost of tickets very high.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 305 ✭✭MrDavid1976


    Reduced capacity at some events will render them uneconomic though. For sports, maybe, might work, particularly if income's coming from tv rights / on screen ads and so on, but for a lot of other things it really won't, or it will make the cost of tickets very high.

    I appreciate that. I was thinking the rugby and soccer matches which will go ahead anyway. Having half capacity for instance (say in the matches planned for August) may help build confidence and look at the processes. Life needs to move on and perhaps it is not the case of all or nothing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,892 ✭✭✭Redo91


    eagle eye wrote: »
    So basically it's ok to be responsible for killing people.
    Make no mistake about it these are the places you find a lot of the buffoons who think they know all and won't spread anything.
    Let's not take the recent lessons we've learned from people being in close contact in meat factories and let's not remember nursing homes. Nothing to worry about here, let it all hang out.

    As was pointed out already it’s simply not viable to have some restrictions in place until there is a vaccine which could be years away. It’s head in the sand stuff to suggest certain things can’t happen until there is a vaccine. There are side effects to these restrictions.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭Non solum non ambulabit


    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    40 diagnosed with Covid traced back to a Frankfurt church service after easing of restrictions.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-germany-idUSKBN22Z0OE

    Will be interesting to see how Germany deal with this.

    Churches need to stay closed in Ireland. They should be on the list of last things to open.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Yeah half of germany infected from one restaurant opening.

    I’ll give the rugby a miss. But don’t let that stop you. Go ahead like a good guinea pig. We need to reopen ASAP etc.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Every country has its share of idiots but what's that got to do with anything?

    Some beautiful cities in Europe, when flights get going here again I'll be paying a visit to Vienna again, spent 3 days there last year and it was lovely, want to go back to see the rest of it and take a day trip to Bratislava. A few days away that wont break the bank.

    Had always wanted to go to Brazil and go around some of South America but that won't be happening anytime soon unfortunately.

    Was in the middle of planning a Christmas and new years trip to Thailand this year too but that's highly unlikely now.

    If it's only travel within the EU for a while then so be it.

    Sounds like a pr post for Ryanair.

    Being locked in a steel tube with god knows how many people for 3 hours so you can see Vienna.

    Sounds really safe. Best of luck. And who knows the share price might even recover if people follow suit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 402 ✭✭rooney30


    Churches need to stay closed in Ireland. They should be on the list of last things to open.

    Socially distanced correctly I can’t see why they shouldn’t be allowed open in line with everything else

    Churches are in general huge and airy buildings .Limit numbers , Quite easy to keep congregations apart with barriers , markings etc. Plenty of time to disinfect surfaces after service . Church services are important part of many people’s lives , open them up i say but do it right . I’m in no way a religious zealot by the way.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    rooney30 wrote: »
    Socially distanced correctly I can’t see why they shouldn’t be allowed open in line with everything else

    Churches are in general huge and airy buildings .Limit numbers , Quite easy to keep congregations apart with barriers , markings etc. Plenty of time to disinfect surfaces after service . Church services are important part of many people’s lives , open them up i say but do it right . I’m in no way a religious zealot by the way.

    According to local German midia reports the church involved in the infecting of 40 people broke strict social distancing rules allowing a choir to perform at the service and allowing there follower's to sing during the service.
    Choirs and singing are not permitted in the rules of religious services returning in Germany.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Wow, amazing. Hits the nail on the head. Think of what this person is saying in the context of vitners , airlines, MCD productions. Easy to see why certain decisions may not be taken in your interest.

    https://twitter.com/lukeming/status/1264108754884313088?s=21


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,713 ✭✭✭Gods Gift


    Is that American football match still goin ahead in August?
    30000 yanks expected to attend.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,713 ✭✭✭Gods Gift


    Wow, amazing. Hits the nail on the head. Think of what this person is saying in the context of vitners , airlines, MCD productions. Easy to see why certain decisions may not be taken in your interest.

    https://twitter.com/lukeming/status/1264108754884313088?s=21

    Mings pissed coz no one sent him a bag of turf or wacky backy when he was in the dail.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,468 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Sounds like a pr post for Ryanair.

    Being locked in a steel tube with god knows how many people for 3 hours so you can see Vienna.

    Sounds really safe. Best of luck. And who knows the share price might even recover if people follow suit.

    No PR post for Ryanair, I enjoy travelling to different places, that's allowed isn't it ?? Some people enjoy different things in life, mine is travel.

    What do you suggest we lock up until a vacinne that may or may not arrive. No thanks.

    If you dont want to travel then dont that's your own decision, I dont and wont have an issue travelling when flights resume.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    No PR post for Ryanair, I enjoy travelling to different places, that's allowed isn't it ?? Some people enjoy different things in life, mine is travel.

    What do you suggest we lock up until a vacinne that may or may not arrive. No thanks.

    If you dont want to travel then dont that's your own decision, I dont and wont have an issue travelling when flights resume.

    Yeah I respect your point of view. I guess it's a question of when. You are also 'allowed' to drive a car off a bridge or do any number of self destructive behaviours. At a push I think essential travel is ok. A city break to breath it all in would not be in that category.

    People need to understand the difference between things they are allowed to do and things which are actually bad for them.

    I would put a city break in the latter column.

    I think it's quite obvious that the only people pushing for travel restriction easing are the ones who would benefit from it financially.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,914 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Redo91 wrote:
    As was pointed out already it’s simply not viable to have some restrictions in place until there is a vaccine which could be years away. It’s head in the sand stuff to suggest certain things can’t happen until there is a vaccine. There are side effects to these restrictions.
    Yeah, people aren't spending money on unnecessary things like going to watch live sports, or live music, or consuming alcohol.
    I'm a huge sports fan by the way so I'm missing out big.
    A side effect, the economy might recover quicker with all this extra cash not going into the same pockets.
    We don't have to wait for a vaccine either. Quarantine all incomers until they pass a test and order everyone to wear facemasks in urban areas, shops, public transport etc. and we'll have no virus in a short while. Then you can start up all these activities again.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 322 ✭✭double jobbing


    Never mind the unfireable soulless guaranteed cash mandarins that want permanent lockdown. Green Party types.modern piety.

    The amount of hard leftie wasters who want to remain on (for them) highly paid welfare forever is staggering. They are absolutely loving this.

    I got back to work on Wednesday. I didn't realise until then just how mentally draining the lockdown had been.

    Does NPHET ever specify where the daily new cases have originated? Holohan said last week that community transmission was effectively finished. Does that mean that when we hear of 70 new cases today or yesterday, virtually all of these are among healthcare staff and residents/ patients of homes/ hospitals? That there are effectively nearly no regular people walking the streets carrying the virus?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Micky 32



    Sounds really safe. Best of luck. And who knows the share price might even recover if people follow suit.

    Sounds more like a anti aviation post rather than a virus concern.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    Sounds more like a anti aviation post rather than a virus concern.

    I love planes. I hope things get back to normal sooner rather than later. Rest assured my concern stems from my understanding of how things spread.

    Have a look. Replace Miami with Santa ponsa or an Austrian ski resort.



  • Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Yeah, people aren't spending money on unnecessary things like going to watch live sports, or live music, or consuming alcohol.
    I'm a huge sports fan by the way so I'm missing out big.
    A side effect, the economy might recover quicker with all this extra cash not going into the same pockets.
    We don't have to wait for a vaccine either. Quarantine all incomers until they pass a test and order everyone to wear facemasks in urban areas, shops, public transport etc. and we'll have no virus in a short while. Then you can start up all these activities again.

    It really, really won't. And those 'unneccesary' things give a lot of joy to a lot of people. At some point bringing enjoyment back to our lives needs to become part of the discussion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,017 ✭✭✭Random sample



    Does NPHET ever specify where the daily new cases have originated? Holohan said last week that community transmission was effectively finished. Does that mean that when we hear of 70 new cases today or yesterday, virtually all of these are among healthcare staff and residents/ patients of homes/ hospitals? That there are effectively nearly no regular people walking the streets carrying the virus?

    Healthcare workers walk the streets, live with family members and go shopping.

    A lot of the new cases recently have been workers in meat processing plants. They also are in the community as much as anybody else, so that issue needs to be addressed before we open the country up.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,892 ✭✭✭Redo91


    Yeah half of germany infected from one restaurant opening.

    I’ll give the rugby a miss. But don’t let that stop you. Go ahead like a good guinea pig. We need to reopen ASAP etc.

    Half of Germany infected from the opening of one restaurant? There is some awful tripe posting on this thread but your post takes the biscuit!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,793 ✭✭✭Benimar


    AdamD wrote: »
    It really, really won't. And those 'unneccesary' things give a lot of joy to a lot of people. At some point bringing enjoyment back to our lives needs to become part of the discussion.

    Unfortunately, there are too many on here who equate that as bringing enjoyment back to THEIR lives, not OUR lives.

    They would rather see themselves having enjoyment next week, than everyone being able to do enjoyable things in a few months time.

    Thankfully (for me anyway), I'm not seeing that level of selfishness amongst the people I interact with outside of Boards.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,468 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Interesting piece in today's times by Mark Tighe.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/supermarket-staff-largely-evade-virus-in-ireland-zs2wbb9xr

    Given the volumes through stores one would expect a higher level of infection, interesting that this hasn't been the case at all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,892 ✭✭✭Redo91


    Benimar wrote: »
    Unfortunately, there are too many on here who equate that as bringing enjoyment back to THEIR lives, not OUR lives.

    They would rather see themselves having enjoyment next week, than everyone being able to do enjoyable things in a few months time.

    Thankfully (for me anyway), I'm not seeing that level of selfishness amongst the people I interact with outside of Boards.

    To be fair it’s not just about enjoyment. What about the livelihoods at stake? That will have an impact on those people’s health if they lose their business which will happen if the restrictions stay in place for an extended period of time.

    There are a number of side effects to the restrictions (including people dying of other diseases because they are afraid to do anything about it). It will get a point in the not too distant future that the side effects of the restrictions will be far worse that that of Covid-19 itself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,793 ✭✭✭Benimar


    Redo91 wrote: »
    To be fair it’s not just about enjoyment. What about the livelihoods at stake? That will have an impact on those people’s health if they lose their business which will happen if the restrictions stay in place for an extended period of time.

    There are a number of side effects to the restrictions (including people dying of other diseases because they are afraid to do anything about it). It will get a point in the not too distant future that the side effects of the restrictions will be far worse that that of Covid-19 itself.

    Thats not what the poster was talking about though. He was referencing all the 'unnecessary' things that bring joy.

    If people want restrictions lifted, as I do, then lets do our best to follow the existing ones. It's been made pretty clear that the process won't be sped up, so getting ahead of ourselves will only potentially slow things down.

    People whose livelihoods are at stake need to be protected, and businesses will need to be bailed out. People who are sick need to be confortable attending hospitals, and the best way to do that is to keep the Covid numbers low.

    I have enormous sympathy for the groups you mentioned and they are issues that needs to be dealt with. Jimmy missing his 10 days in Lanzarote doesn't matter a fcuk to be honest.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,668 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Gods Gift wrote: »
    Is that American football match still goin ahead in August?
    30000 yanks expected to attend.

    Surely not


  • Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Benimar wrote: »
    Thats not what the poster was talking about though. He was referencing all the 'unnecessary' things that bring joy.

    If people want restrictions lifted, as I do, then lets do our best to follow the existing ones. It's been made pretty clear that the process won't be sped up, so getting ahead of ourselves will only potentially slow things down.

    People whose livelihoods are at stake need to be protected, and businesses will need to be bailed out. People who are sick need to be confortable attending hospitals, and the best way to do that is to keep the Covid numbers low.

    I have enormous sympathy for the groups you mentioned and they are issues that needs to be dealt with. Jimmy missing his 10 days in Lanzarote doesn't matter a fcuk to be honest.

    Which is itself utterly ludicrous


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,892 ✭✭✭Redo91


    Benimar wrote: »
    Thats not what the poster was talking about though. He was referencing all the 'unnecessary' things that bring joy.

    If people want restrictions lifted, as I do, then lets do our best to follow the existing ones. It's been made pretty clear that the process won't be sped up, so getting ahead of ourselves will only potentially slow things down.

    People whose livelihoods are at stake need to be protected, and businesses will need to be bailed out. People who are sick need to be confortable attending hospitals, and the best way to do that is to keep the Covid numbers low.

    I have enormous sympathy for the groups you mentioned and they are issues that needs to be dealt with. Jimmy missing his 10 days in Lanzarote doesn't matter a fcuk to be honest.

    Pretty sure they have actually said the process could be sped up. Don’t know if that means shortening the period between phases to two weeks rather than 3 or putting two phases together. Either way I’m nearly certain it was said at one of the briefings that the plan was subject to change and that wasn’t just in terms of being extended if things didn’t go well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,793 ✭✭✭Benimar


    Redo91 wrote: »
    Pretty sure they have actually said the process could be sped up. Don’t know if that means shortening the period between phases to two weeks rather than 3 or putting two phases together. Either way I’m nearly certain it was said at one of the briefings that the plan was subject to change and that wasn’t just in terms of being extended if things didn’t go well.

    They said early on that certain things could move a phase, but the dates of each phase wouldn’t move.

    However, Ronan Glynn said on Thursday that there is nothing as yet to say that the original plan should change, one way or the other.


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  • Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge



    Covid-19: face mask rules more political than scientific, says UK expert

    Study reveals cloth coverings reduce airflow but Covid-19 effectiveness remains unproven

    The wearing of cloth face masks by the public was becoming more about politics than science, one expert has argued, as a new study reveals potential benefits and problems of the coverings.

    Now a new study by researchers at the University of Edinburgh has looked into the impact of different types of face mask on airflow ejected by a wearer when they breathed or coughed, including standard surgical masks, FFP2 respirators and cloth masks.

    The researchers found all face masks without a valve, including cloth masks, reduced the distance exhaled air travelled in a forward direction by more than 90%. But they added that fit was essential, pointing out that “surgical, handmade masks, and face shields, generate significant leakage jets that have the potential to disperse virus-laden fluid particles by several metres,” and that such jets tend to be directed downwards or backwards.

    But Kolstoe said there was limited evidence about how effective cloth masks were, or whether they have a big impact. The upshot was a debate that was more political than scientific.

    “My feeling is that this is becoming more of a statement, a statement of solidarity. By going out and wearing a face mask you show that you are taking action, you show other people you are concerned about this, you are concerned about them, you are concerned about yourself. But perhaps conversely by not wearing a face mask that is also a statement as well,” said Kolstoe, pointing to a recent Politico article with the headline “Wearing a mask is for smug liberals. Refusing to is for reckless Republicans.”

    Describing homemade face coverings, Kolstoe said: “I don’t think it does any particular harm to wear, them I don’t think it does any particular good to wear them – and as a consequence you are going to get people jumping on either side of the bandwagon. [If there was evidence showing cloth masks] make a massive difference, then we wouldn’t be having this argument.



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    Supermarket staff largely evade virus in Ireland


    Three big supermarket chains operating in Ireland have reported low levels of the coronavirus among staff, despite staying open throughout the pandemic.

    Lidl said that, of 5,200 staff, 11 in Ireland and three in Northern Ireland had tested positive for Covid-19 — just 0.3% of its workforce on the island.

    Aldi, another German supermarket chain, said 10 of its workforce of more than 4,000 had tested positive for Covid-19. Tesco, which has 13,000 staff in Ireland, declined to say how many had tested positive for the virus but said it was a “small number”.

    SuperValu said it had “a very limited number of cases” across its 223 stores in Ireland.

    Aldi said each of its 10 workers who had the virus had fully recovered and returned to work.


    “Given the number of people we employ in Ireland — more than 13,000 — some of our colleagues will of course be affected by the virus, and a small number have tested positive for Covid-19,” said a Tesco statement.

    “In these cases, our colleagues receive full sick pay from day one. All affected colleagues have recovered or are currently in recovery.”


    So, as they've extinguished transfer within the community, and supermarkets were open all along, it would appear reasonably safe to wear masks going into a shop? Be it to protect yourself, or to protect others. Same amount of shoppers in supermarkets regardless of restriction phases.

    On top of this, CDC now saying it's reasonably unlikely to catch virus from surfaces, and people have not been transferring it to each other in supermarkets or we would surely know about it. And if asymptomatic transmission is going on (and if the CMO is incorrect) surely hospital cases would be a lot more.




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