Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

New Home wrote: »

...tumbleweeds...

I referenced the method a friend of mine whose daughter is a director of nursing in a private nursing home took. At the moment i'am writing this still no deaths due to Covid 19 in her care. 2.10 am 23/05/2020.

Strazdas wrote: »

Watching an interesting interview with Cillian de Gascun on VM and he reckons big outdoor events could resume soon enough. He says if it was the case that there was very little Covid-19 circulating in Ireland, he doesn't think it would be particularly risky to go ahead with such events. He added that it would be impossible to have no risk of transmission but that would not be a reason to ban them.

The idea of waiting for a vaccine before sport and outdoor events with crowds can recommence in Ireland is clearly a nonsense (a vaccine could be ten years away).

Most of the large scale events that are already cancelled will not be running until 2021. There's no way you could reorganise most of them at short notice. There's a lot of logistics, preparation, getting sponsors, marketing, booking venues, getting licences and then you have to be sure you'd actually sell tickets.

You're looking at an absolute minimum of 4 to 6 month lead time, so any decisions made were made back in March for events that would have been running in June, July, August, Sept. Normally they'd be planned at least 6 months if not a year ahead. Even if announcements came later, those events were likely already suspended / written off.

So, unfortunately, even if it were safe to do so, very few big events could be fired back up at the drop a hat like that. It would bode well though for maybe late this year and 2021.

There's a certain lack of reality in the commentary. This stuff doesn't switch on / off like a light switch. If you've called for the cancellation of events this summer, most of them will simply not be able to restart. They're gone for 2020.

Personally, I'm aware of events that may even struggle to come back next year unless there's certainty about risk. It's impossible to plan into a scenario where you might spend a lot of money and have something cancelled at short notice.

I'm not trying to be gloomy, but without certainty and clarity those kinds of things just won't work and I don't think the Government or anyone else right now can provide that, particularly if there's an unknowable unknown with a risk of a second wave. Basically those are questions nobody can answer and I think asking the state to look into a crystal ball is a bit ridiculous too.

Hopefully things will calm down over the months ahead and we can get back to some semblance of normality and plan.

Economically the focus needs to be on safely re-opening the stuff that's easy to open and can respond quickly and that will get maximum benefit.

Flickerfusion wrote: »

Most of the large scale events that are already cancelled will not be running until 2021. There's no way you could reorganise most of them at short notice. There's a lot of logistics, preparation, getting sponsors, marketing, booking venues, getting licences and then you have to be sure you'd actually sell tickets.

You're looking at an absolute minimum of 4 to 6 month lead time, so any decisions made were made back in March for events that would have been running in June, July, August, Sept. Normally they'd be planned at least 6 months if not a year ahead. Even if announcements came later, those events were likely already suspended / written off.

So, unfortunately, even if it were safe to do so, very few big events could be fired back up at the drop a hat like that. It would bode well though for maybe late this year and 2021.

There's a certain lack of reality in the commentary. This stuff doesn't switch on / off like a light switch. If you've called for the cancellation of events this summer, most of them will simply not be able to restart. They're gone for 2020.

Personally, I'm aware of events that may even struggle to come back next year unless there's certainty about risk. It's impossible to plan into a scenario where you might spend a lot of money and have something cancelled at short notice.

I'm not trying to be gloomy, but without certainty and clarity those kinds of things just won't work and I don't think the Government or anyone else right now can provide that, particularly if there's an unknowable unknown with a risk of a second wave. Basically those are questions nobody can answer and I think asking the state to look into a crystal ball is a bit ridiculous too.

Hopefully things will calm down over the months ahead and we can get back to some semblance of normality and plan.

Economically the focus needs to be on safely re-opening the stuff that's easy to open and can respond quickly and that will get maximum benefit.

Agree with a lot of that. As far as sport goes they will plan for behind closed doors and hope that the doors can open. I wonder whether half occupancy in Lansdowne road would work.

In terms of reopening, I think it is very encouraging that there have been so few cases from the supermarkets who have been open throughout. The homewares typo was a mistake - the general rule should be if they have the right safeguards in place they should reopen. This should mean that most retail can reopen although there will be challenges in clothing with changing rooms etc.

The big challenge to reopening is childcare and public transport. The Government advice on remote working does make sense as a means to keep public transport numbers down but it cannot be a hard and fast rule. Perhaps one of the positives of this is that the relentless push for less and less personal spaces in offices will be reversed.