Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie

Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

1264265267269270324

Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,601 ✭✭✭2ndcoming


    Gael23 wrote: »
    Looks like Tony is not for turning on the 2 metre rule

    There is no turning. At 2m people do 1, you see it everywhere. At 1m...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,601 ✭✭✭2ndcoming


    The paddy that everyone hates bears good news.

    Here yee, here yee


    https://twitter.com/paddycosgrave/status/1264259233509507073?s=21

    That clown is hardly the first to break that, that was everywhere last night.

    From Chynna n all, Donald will be like a briar.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    you seem fairly emotional about this Jim. I'm looking at figures from Google /Wiki which provide charts and data, they are like pictures to help people understand how things rise and fall, kind of like big and small if that's easier to understand. they are apparently pulling data from our masters and their European HQ is in Dublin so I'd imagine the figures are as good as they get.

    Google Ireland Corona Virus



    Give Google a shout about my figures

    You erroneously included about 220 cases that were reported in the week of 14th May which were removed from the actual as there was a delay in there being included so you need to discount those


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,303 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    you seem fairly emotional about this Jim. I'm looking at figures from Google /Wiki which provide charts and data, they are like pictures to help people understand how things rise and fall, kind of like big and small if that's easier to understand. they are apparently pulling data from our masters and their European HQ is in Dublin so I'd imagine the figures are as good as they get.

    Google Ireland Corona Virus



    Give Google a shout about my figures
    You can be as condescending as you wish but I have the charts and figures here, plus enough expertise and experience to decipher them. Poor days when a reply is a suggestion to look at Google and Wiki. :rolleyes:

    Our trend is a straight forward clear downward direction for four and a half weeks and tough if it doesn't suit whatever agenda you have.

    I'm far from emotional about it but old enough to call out BS when I see it.

    Throw up one of those Himalayan charts there for a laugh but first take out the 14th may 220 and put them in mid April .


  • Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Reopened states revive economy as doomsday predictions don't materialize

    By Dave Boyer - The Washington Times - Wednesday, May 20, 2020

    Positive economic news poured in from reopened states Wednesday as President Trump hosted the governors of Arkansas and Kansas at the White House, while Florida’s governor blasted the media for incorrectly predicting that he ended the state’s coronavirus shutdown too soon.

    Arkansas Gov. Asa Hutchinson, a Republican, told the president in a White House meeting that his state is “back to work” and that the state’s sales tax revenue likely will bounce back faster than expected.

    “All of our retail stores are open, all of our retail establishments totally are open, our gyms are open,” Mr. Hutchinson said. “Our barbers are open, our restaurants.”

    All 50 states have lifted at least some stay-at-home restrictions ahead of the three-day Memorial Day weekend.

    An AP-NORC poll released Wednesday showed that opposition is rising to stay-at-home orders. The survey found 24% of respondents oppose requirements to stay at home except for essential errands, compared with 11% in the same poll on April 16.

    In the poll, 62% still favor stay-at-home requirements, compared with 80% a month ago.

    Mr. Hutchinson said Arkansas still has some restrictions, such as one-third occupancy limits in restaurants.

    “And we’re emphasizing appropriate social distancing, but we’re at work,” the governor said.

    Kansas Gov. Laura Kelly, a Democrat, praised the president for sending in a “CDC SWAT team” to help the state through an outbreak of COVID cases at meatpacking plants in the southwestern part of her state.

    In Florida, where Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis received a visit from Vice President Mike Pence, the governor showed he had his fill of the press second-guessing his plan to reopen the state relatively quickly.

    “You got a lot of people in your profession who waxed poetically for weeks and weeks about how Florida was going to be just like New York — ‘wait two weeks, Florida’s going to be next,’” Mr. DeSantis told reporters with the vice president at his side. “Well hell, we’re eight weeks away from that, and it hasn’t happened. Not only do we have a lower death rate, we have way lower deaths generally.


    “We have a lower death rate than the Acela corridor, D.C., everyone up there. We have a lower rate death rate in the Midwest, Illinois, Michigan, Indiana, Ohio. But even in our region — Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia — Florida has the lower death rate, and I was the Number One landing spot from tens of thousands of people leaving the Number One hot zone in the world [New York] to come to my state.”

    “So we’ve succeeded,” the governor said. “And I think that people just don’t want to recognize it because it challenges their narrative. It challenges their assumption, so they got to try to find a boogeyman, maybe … there are black helicopters circling the Department of Health. If you believe that I got a bridge in Brooklyn, I’d like to sell you.”

    Florida has recorded almost 2,100 deaths from COVID-19 and about 47,000 cases. It ranks ninth in the U.S. in total cases, with a population of 21.5 million.

    Nationwide, White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany pointed to “encouraging numbers” as she said states are reopening safely.

    “We continue to see a week-over-week decline, a 15% decline in deaths in just the last week,” she said. “April 1 to mid-May, a 50% decline in new hospitalizations, and under 25,000 cases today. So we are seeing progress.”

    The U.S., with a population of 330 million, has recorded more than 1.5 million cases and 93,000 deaths.

    Mr. Pence visited a senior living complex with Mr. DeSantis to deliver supplies of personal protective equipment.

    “Now as Florida begins to open up again … we are going to continue to partner with you to protect your most vulnerable,” Mr. Pence told the governor.


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,058 ✭✭✭Uriel.


    Gael23 wrote: »
    Have there been any moves to relax blanket visitor bans in nursing homes?

    Nursing home sector can surely decide to relax the bans whenever they want? Sure they decided to impose them themselves when there was no advice to do so. They still haven't produced any evidence or risk assessment justifying their timing.
    People have been locked away like prisoners in these places for months and no one really knows what's been going on.im not just talking about from an coronavirus perspective but when institutions like these are closed to the outside world, they become ripe for poor practice, slippage of standards and potential abuse.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 78,573 Mod ✭✭✭✭New Home


    Uriel. wrote: »
    Nursing home sector can surely decide to relax the bans whenever they want? Sure they decided to impose them themselves when there was no advice to do so. They still haven't produced any evidence or risk assessment justifying their timing.
    People have been locked away like prisoners in these places for months and no one really knows what's been going on.im not just talking about from an coronavirus perspective but when institutions like these are closed to the outside world, they become ripe for poor practice, slippage of standards and potential abuse.


    ...tumbleweeds...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,784 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    With the rate of decline in Europe it wouldn't surprise me if Eurozone travel began soon. We are quite lucky to be apart of Europe in one sense, financially and the fact that we can form our own little bubble.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭Higgins5473


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    You can be as condescending as you wish but I have the charts and figures here, plus enough expertise and experience to decipher them. Poor days when a reply is a suggestion to look at Google and Wiki. :rolleyes:

    Our trend is a straight forward clear downward direction for four and a half weeks and tough if it doesn't suit whatever agenda you have.

    I'm far from emotional about it but old enough to call out BS when I see it.

    Throw up one of those Himalayan charts there for a laugh but first take out the 14th may 220 and put them in mid April .

    The charts in the link Jim, can you provide your charts with the data you have which is different from my source? You seem to have data, experience and expertise which I don’t have, genuinely like to see them?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,925 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    With the rate of decline in Europe it wouldn't surprise me if Eurozone travel began soon. We are quite lucky to be apart of Europe in one sense, financially and the fact that we can form our own little bubble.
    You have idiots all over the place. When I was in my teens and early 20's I travelled a lot in Europe. I never go near it now outside of the UK for sports events.
    There's nothing very attractive to me in the Eurozone. Much prefer to visit the USA, South America and Australia.


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,468 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    With the rate of decline in Europe it wouldn't surprise me if Eurozone travel began soon. We are quite lucky to be apart of Europe in one sense, financially and the fact that we can form our own little bubble.

    Except with our inept mandatory form filling and supposed checking of such while in the country there wont be a demand for travel to here.

    Now while I expect the EU commission to intervene here to stop the stupidity, the EU are a whole should be lifting restrictions roughly the same time and promote travel within the bloc to try and get some sort of economic stimulus to the aviation and tourism industry.

    I'd expect travel within the bloc to be at some level by early July, most countries seem to be allowing travel from mid june onwards with Spain at the start of July.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,468 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    eagle eye wrote: »
    You have idiots all over the place. When I was in my teens and early 20's I travelled a lot in Europe. I never go near it now outside of the UK for sports events.
    There's nothing very attractive to me in the Eurozone. Much prefer to visit the USA, South America and Australia.
    Every country has its share of idiots but what's that got to do with anything?

    Some beautiful cities in Europe, when flights get going here again I'll be paying a visit to Vienna again, spent 3 days there last year and it was lovely, want to go back to see the rest of it and take a day trip to Bratislava. A few days away that wont break the bank.

    Had always wanted to go to Brazil and go around some of South America but that won't be happening anytime soon unfortunately.

    Was in the middle of planning a Christmas and new years trip to Thailand this year too but that's highly unlikely now.

    If it's only travel within the EU for a while then so be it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 209 ✭✭Ce he sin


    eagle eye wrote: »
    You have idiots all over the place. When I was in my teens and early 20's I travelled a lot in Europe. I never go near it now outside of the UK for sports events.
    There's nothing very attractive to me in the Eurozone. Much prefer to visit the USA, South America and Australia.
    Not me. I've been to the US several times but the last (2009) was enough for me. Too much hassle to get through their immigration, plus it's expensive to get to and to get around. Australia and South America even more so.
    Conversely, I can be in France with an 80 minute flight and they take our money.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,784 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Wuhan has reported that they did 1.4 million coronavirus tests Friday. Somehow.. I doubt.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,468 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Ce he sin wrote: »
    Not me. I've been to the US several times but the last (2009) was enough for me. Too much hassle to get through their immigration, plus it's expensive to get to and to get around. Australia and South America even more so.
    Conversely, I can be in France with an 80 minute flight and they take our money.

    Plus with a city break in Europe, fly out after work Thursday, only need the 1 day off work and you've still got the guts of 3 day break somewhere.

    Same currency and a short flight.

    I get 23 days leave a year so have to plan it wisely


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    https://www.itv.com/news/2020-05-21/health-secretary-matt-hancock-government-daily-coronavirus-press-conference/

    Antibody testing suggests 5% of UK have had the virus.Very similar to the rest of the EU, but UK has far higher deaths despite similar rate of infection , why?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,468 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    HSE Operations report just out.

    As of 8pm 51 confirmed covid patients in ICU.

    Likewise as of 8pm 301 confimed cases in acute hospitals, up from 298 yesterday so essentially stable for the last 24 hrs.

    Reduction in suspected cases tonight at 158, was 187 last night but anyone who gets a swab while in hosptial is classed as a suspected case so not much to read into there.

    Big increase in the available beds across the system today, 1146 vacant general beds as of tonight compared to 991 last night. Perhaps discharges are starting again now.

    15 cases confirmed in Irish hospitals in the last 24hrs, 7 of which reported from the Mater.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,073 ✭✭✭jackboy


    wakka12 wrote: »
    https://www.itv.com/news/2020-05-21/health-secretary-matt-hancock-government-daily-coronavirus-press-conference/

    Antibody testing suggests 5% of UK have had the virus.Very similar to the rest of the EU, but UK has far higher deaths despite similar rate of infection , why?

    Inaccurate numbers. Either the death rate or infection rate or both are wrong. Or the other countries numbers are wrong. I suspect all numbers are significantly wrong.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,291 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    wakka12 wrote: »
    https://www.itv.com/news/2020-05-21/health-secretary-matt-hancock-government-daily-coronavirus-press-conference/

    Antibody testing suggests 5% of UK have had the virus.Very similar to the rest of the EU, but UK has far higher deaths despite similar rate of infection , why?
    Could be any number of reasons W. Different testing protocols, different testing numbers, higher density of hotspots like London, even different genetics might be at play. On that latter point ages ago I mused maybe the northern Italian folks were hit harder than their southern counterparts because of some genetic difference going on? The other day I read that a recent study into the genes of that country show a pretty distinctive north/south difference. Health care workers are some of the most at risk and in the UK a large chunk of them are from African and West Asian backgrounds who seem to have higher fatality rates. Maybe that isn't as much in play in the health service of say Germany, or Portugal?
    Ce he sin wrote: »
    Not me. I've been to the US several times but the last (2009) was enough for me. Too much hassle to get through their immigration, plus it's expensive to get to and to get around. Australia and South America even more so.
    Conversely, I can be in France with an 80 minute flight and they take our money.
    I liked the US in many ways, but it doesn't feel as comfortable for the real want of a better word than most of Europe. On top you have what others noted the same money and a couple of hours away from home. Maybe if Concorde was still in play the US would claw back some of its appeal, but having spent a few transatlantic flights 8 bleedin hours in the sky(and that's if you're going for New York, anywhere else add more again), no thanks except on very rare occasions.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,592 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    wakka12 wrote: »
    https://www.itv.com/news/2020-05-21/health-secretary-matt-hancock-government-daily-coronavirus-press-conference/

    Antibody testing suggests 5% of UK have had the virus.Very similar to the rest of the EU, but UK has far higher deaths despite similar rate of infection , why?


    This figure for antibodies is very similar to Spain which has had slightly higher rate of death, having a smaller population than the UK. The UK has more cases now though so will probably end up very similar to Spain.


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,592 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    Now while I expect the EU commission to intervene here to stop the stupidity, the EU are a whole should be lifting restrictions roughly the same time and promote travel within the bloc to try and get some sort of economic stimulus to the aviation and tourism industry.
    .


    The EU should most certainly not be lifting restrictions at the same time if different places have different levels of infection. Controls should be based on the disease not on politics.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    I see that the daily deaths in NY have dropped below 100 for the first time in 8 weeks to 84. In April they were a 1000 a day!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Does anyone believe that the virus has been suppressed in the community?

    Surely that relies on proper testing and contact tracing. They only broadened the testing criteria two and a half weeks ago, so people with symptoms weren't getting tested. It took ages to get results back, so contact tracing no good.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    40 diagnosed with Covid traced back to a Frankfurt church service after easing of restrictions.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-germany-idUSKBN22Z0OE

    Will be interesting to see how Germany deal with this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,234 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Those antibody tests are a bit early as it takes 2/3 weeks to produce antibodies after recovering.
    June testing will give a better analysis.

    Also a certain percentage of the population will not have antibodies visible in the bloodstream but have 'memory' to produce antibodies in case they are attacked by the virus again.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,562 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    wakka12 wrote: »
    https://www.itv.com/news/2020-05-21/health-secretary-matt-hancock-government-daily-coronavirus-press-conference/

    Antibody testing suggests 5% of UK have had the virus.Very similar to the rest of the EU, but UK has far higher deaths despite similar rate of infection , why?

    From anecdotal experience, there's a lot of people in the UK that could have done with some medical care, but got none because they were never tested for Covid.

    A friend of mine in London in his 40s died at home with his family. NHS helpline had said he had likely symptoms but told him to remain at home, and didn't offer a test or any treatment. If he'd received medical care, decent chance he would've been okay - he had no underlying medical conditions that we were aware of.

    Heard some other stories of paramedics assessing people and telling them to stay at home and isolate, only then to later die. Dunno about the rest of Europe, but in Ireland paramedics aren't allowed to make those decisions, only doctors.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,468 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Does anyone believe that the virus has been suppressed in the community?

    Surely that relies on proper testing and contact tracing. They only broadened the testing criteria two and a half weeks ago, so people with symptoms weren't getting tested. It took ages to get results back, so contact tracing no good.

    Yes, if people were sick then they'd have got a test as soon as they looked for one 2 and a half weeks ago. Demand for tests hasn't risen. Current levels of infection are quite clearly very very low and its backed up by hospital admissions.

    If they didn't get a test and were in a bad way they'd have been in hosptial.

    It boils down to now if the referrals for tests from GPs are low and the positivity rate from said referrals has plummeted to 2% then you can say its largely suppressed. If it wasn't you'd have backlogs and hosptial admissions through the roof


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,950 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    uk had 25k new cases in last week, how do we know that a thousand of them won't end up in need of hospital treatment. I don't get how they see themselves as having turned the corner when they get 25k new cases every week.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,318 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Curious emerging profiles of victims emerging in some igniting regions, a lot younger

    https://twitter.com/AthaliaChristie/status/1264255765898039302


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,438 ✭✭✭embraer170


    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    40 diagnosed with Covid traced back to a Frankfurt church service after easing of restrictions.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-germany-idUSKBN22Z0OE

    Will be interesting to see how Germany deal with this.

    They won't do a whole lot as long as the R0 continues to remain below 0.9.


This discussion has been closed.
Advertisement