Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

An Ciarraioch · 23-05-2020 05:53PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

It's Winter in Mexico and Brazil?

No - Mexico is in the northern hemisphere, about the same latitude as the Sahara. As for Brazil, it's 29° in Rio and 21° in São Paulo, so warmer than here.

Plumbthedepths · 23-05-2020 05:55PM

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

No - Mexico is in the northern hemisphere, about the same latitude as the Sahara. As for Brazil, it's 29° in Rio and 21° in São Paulo, so warmer than here.

So do you think Kermit is wrong to claim Covid is seasonal?

UrbanFret · 23-05-2020 05:56PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

I believe China had no new cases today.

I don't.;)

normanoffside · 23-05-2020 05:57PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

It's a base that we need to drive down.

We don't want to be exiting the summer at this level.

If we take Austria or Denmark as our measure than 10 - 20 cases per day would be good.

But I believe we can go even lower than that to zero. Which would be a great achievement.

Denmark opened up schools when it had 215 cases. The numbers have continued to go down and almost everything is opened now.

Rob A. Bank · 23-05-2020 06:05PM

Fashion 2020

For the beach... the Covid trikini !

The Chanel facemask... a snip at 125 euro.

And for the man about town !

What Username Guidelines · 23-05-2020 06:07PM

The Jman wrote: »

With less than 2000 cases in the country now you'd have to be hoping the deaths go in to single figures next week, it's all looking very promising!!

There was a tweet the other day about how ages of confirmed cases in the last week has been far lower, only about 5% over 65, so you would hope the deaths begin to decline a lot towards the end of the month.

https://twitter.com/higginsdavidw/status/1262070065844957190?s=21

Interestingly too, the income of confirmed cases started high (ski trips in feb) and is now plummeting (essential workers)

https://twitter.com/higginsdavidw/status/1263912270771470336?s=21

is_that_so · 23-05-2020 06:10PM

I see Simon Harris has announced the establishment of a Covid-19 nursing home expert panel which will examine how the Government responded to the pandemic as well as assessing best practice for the months ahead. A good move.

John.Icy · 23-05-2020 06:14PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

So do you think Kermit is wrong to claim Covid is seasonal?

Kermit posted the source, why are you asking other people is he wrong? It's not even his postulation, it was from the CDC

My own two cents would be that the majority of southern hemisphere hotspots as of now are as similar in weather to what we are still experiencing coming into Summer in the northern hemisphere? Rio is still 20-30 degrees currently. And surely the majority of decrease in cases in the NH is the result of the extensive lockdowns and movement restrictions rather than seasons? Especially when we have several hotspots in the middle east (northern hemisphere) in 30-40 degree heat and also have places like Belarus only now going through the worst of it. I'd be skeptical of the use of Brazil too with how bad their testing has been for ages. Interesting though and definitely possible, however the use of the decrease in NH cases (which is due to lockdowns and restrictions IMO and not seasons) is not solid as of now. It's too early for me to join up the dots on the seasonal thing.

What Username Guidelines · 23-05-2020 06:14PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The CDC is adamant that COVID-19 now exhibits the migration of seasonal flu from the northern to southern hemispheres

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/world/us/us-health-agency-director-warns-of-coronavirus-flare-up-this-autumn-1.4259160%3fmode=amp

There is fast increasing evidence of the impact of seasonal changes. There appears to be one difference with the flu - flu all but dies out out of season. This appears to remain albeit at a lower base.

Looking at things like sars, even tho it was a different beast, it had a very long tail. Same with previous pandemics such as flu pandemics, they never really hit zero between waves.

While Italy seems to be stuck at about 400-600 per day, along with Spain, they are seeing a smaller % of positive cases from tests done. They’re doing about 70k tests per day and seeing less than 1% positive. Wonder is this just how it stays before dying out, or spiking again later.

RobitTV · 23-05-2020 06:15PM

This is a major bombshell from the UK:

Tens of thousands of Covid-19 tests have been double-counted in the Government’s official tally, public health officials have admitted.

Diagnostic tests which involve taking saliva and nasal samples from the same patient are being counted as two tests, not one.

Tens of thousands of coronavirus tests have been double-counted

Ficheall · 23-05-2020 06:18PM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

There was a tweet the other day about how ages of confirmed cases in the last week has been far lower, only about 5% over 65, so you would hope the deaths begin to decline a lot towards the end of the month.

Maybe the over 65s are less likely to socialise given their greater risk of dying?

bb1234567 · 23-05-2020 06:19PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

So do you think Kermit is wrong to claim Covid is seasonal?

Why do you keep fixating on what he said about that? The amount of unsubstantiated horse**** in the restrictions thread echo chamber that goes completely unquestioned has nothing on it. Wouldnt it be a good thing if it is seasonal? I dont know about seasonal but theres a clear correlation between less intense spread of the virus and warm climated areas of the planet but of course could just be for completely other reasons associated with the cultures/geography of places which happen to have warm climates, I guess Brazil and Mexico kind of rubbished the theory a bit but there might still be something to it.

ZX7R · 23-05-2020 06:20PM

is_that_so wrote: »

I see Simon Harris has announced the establishment of a Covid-19 nursing home expert panel which will examine how the Government responded to the pandemic as well as assessing best practice for the months ahead. A good move.

I want to believe that it is being done in good faith.
BUT the sceptic in me believes he created the group because there will probably be a new government in the next two weeks and a lot of questions will need to be answered by our caretaker government

KiKi III · 23-05-2020 06:20PM

RobitTV wrote: »

The curve looks like it’s well and truly flattened. That was the ambition and it has been achieved.

Time for the government to begin to organise the reopening of the country and the economy.

They’ve already released a plan. A pretty detailed one. We’re in Phase 1 of it, phase 2 is in two weeks (when we can see what impact the first phase had in the numbers)

If you think the plan should be sped up, fair enough, but it’s just inaccurate to suggest there is no plan for opening the country.

RobitTV · 23-05-2020 06:22PM

KiKi III wrote: »

They’ve already released a plan. A pretty detailed one. We’re in Phase 1 of it, phase 2 is in two weeks (when we can see what impact the first phase had in the numbers)

If you think the plan should be sped up, fair enough, but it’s just inaccurate to suggest there is no plan for opening the country.

No i understand we have a plan, but the timescale is what i am questioning. I think most people understand the plan, but the timescale is what is being questioned on here.

Plumbthedepths · 23-05-2020 06:22PM

John.Icy wrote: »

Kermit posted the source, why are you asking other people is he wrong? It's not even his postulation, it was from the CDC

My own two cents would be that the majority of southern hemisphere hotspots as of now are as similar in weather to what we are still experiencing coming into Summer in the northern hemisphere? Rio is still 20-30 degrees currently. And surely the majority of decrease in cases in the NH is the result of the extensive lockdowns and movement restrictions rather than seasons? Especially when we have several hotspots in the middle east (northern hemisphere) in 30-40 degree heat and also have places like Belarus only now going through the worst of it. I'd be skeptical of the use of Brazil too with how bad their testing has been for ages. Interesting though and definitely possible, however the use of the decrease in NH cases (which is due to lockdowns and restrictions IMO and not seasons) is not solid as of now. It's too early for me to join up the dots on the seasonal thing.

Unproven, considering the politics of the US I would wait for in-depth research by other organisations.

davemckenna25 · 23-05-2020 06:26PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

I believe China had no new cases today.

I'd believe very little from china.

Stormyteacup · 23-05-2020 06:26PM

skallywag wrote: »

I am not sure where you are getting that from? I never watch RTE.

How am I defending them? I simply said that you yourself could learn a bit from watching the news on there maybe, in terms of how to write a proper message on an internet forum.

Yes RTÉ reporting technique - pick soundbite from TD/NPHET member that fits narrative, quote soundbite, quote figures then running totals, then remind us how you catch Covid, plus wash your hands.

Kermit.de.frog · 23-05-2020 06:29PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Unproven, considering the politics of the US I would wait for in-depth research by other organisations.

You don't want the story from the Center for Disease Control and Prevention?

There is no higher professional body or authority in the world dealing with disease prevention.

I'll take what they say, thanks.

John.Icy · 23-05-2020 06:30PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Unproven, considering the politics of the US I would wait for in-depth research by other organisations.

Sure I called it a postulation? Never said it was proven. Doesn't mean it can't be discussed or others also coin the idea it could be seasonal. It's worth a discussion since other respiratory issues driven by viruses typically are seasonal affairs. No one is wrong as of yet.

is_that_so · 23-05-2020 06:33PM

ZX7R wrote: »

I want to believe that it is being done in good faith.
BUT the sceptic in me believes he created the group because there will probably be a new government in the next two weeks and a lot of questions will need to be answered by our caretaker government

It needs to be done and the MoH has the power to do such things. When it reports it will be well after this caretaker government. Harris is less the issue in this than those who would be expected to take note of recommendations and to do so properly. After all can we really trust the nursing care sector to follow measures? As for the questions they'll come in time, aimed at learning one would hope over blaming.

Plumbthedepths · 23-05-2020 06:35PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I'll take what they say, thanks.

You do that , personally I'll wait for verification from other sources. As we have been informed ad nauesuem this is not the flu.

An Ciarraioch · 23-05-2020 06:37PM

Current county streaks:

https://twitter.com/higginsdavidw/status/1264245507540561926

Higgins5473 · 23-05-2020 06:45PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

I believe China had no new cases today.

China with a population of 1.4 billion, where the disease originated are logging figures of today:

China cases 82,971 deaths 4,634

USA population of 331 million

USA cases 1,654,906 deaths 98,093

I'd say both are lying, but it doesn't take a statistician to look at the comparisons there to realise WHO (see what i did there

) is lying the most and so badly.

I don't want to go into a debate about which has better potential ethnicity and antibody stuff or medical services and living in certain conditions because like absolutely every body here we haven't a clue. But what I am certain of is that those figures do not add up.

Kermit.de.frog · 23-05-2020 06:45PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

You do that , personally I'll wait for verification from other sources. As we have been informed ad nauesuem this is not the flu.

No one said it was the flu. They have stated clearly that it is exhibiting the same migratory patterns and this is what policy and readiness is now based on for later in the year.

MrDavid1976 · 23-05-2020 06:48PM

C__MC wrote: »

As long as RTE are around they'll be fairly safe

I have been wondering what is the story with RTÉ but then i got the light bulb moment - advertising revenues. It has been Wall to Wall Covid 19 ads. I am also wondering whether the Govt have bought any editorial advertising or mentions etc. I would hope not but the lack of critique is something else.

rubadub · 23-05-2020 06:48PM

growleaves wrote: »

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1286065/lockdown-end-coronavirus-california-donald-trump-gavin-newsom-suicide-death-toll/amp

a “year’s worth of suicides” in the last four weeks alone

So a 13 times the usual amount.

google says california has a population of 39.51 million another site says 11 suicides per 100,000 in 2019, so 4346 per year

so in 4 weeks an increase of a usual average of 334 to 4346

but this one says it was attempts, and the longer quote makes me think it is the actual quote
https://abc7news.com/suicide-covid-19-coronavirus-rates-during-pandemic-death-by/6201962/

"We've never seen numbers like this, in such a short period of time," he said. "I mean we've seen a year's worth of suicide attempts in the last four weeks."

Boggles · 23-05-2020 06:49PM

political analyst wrote: »

As Ian O'Doherty wrote, to say that the damage to the economy is worth it if one life is saved is like saying there should be no travel by motor vehicle allowed because of the risk of people being knocked down.

WTF! Why are listening to a failed music journalist's opinion on a once in a generation global pandemic?

Plumbthedepths · 23-05-2020 06:50PM

Higgins5473 wrote: »

China with a population of 1.4 billion, where the disease originated are logging figures of today:

China cases 82,971 deaths 4,634

USA population of 331 million

USA cases 1,654,906 deaths 98,093

I'd say both are lying, but it doesn't take a statistician to look at the comparisons there to realise WHO (see what i did there ) is lying the most and so badly.

I don't want to go into a debate about which has better potential ethnicity and antibody stuff or medical services and living in certain conditions because like absolutely every body here we haven't a clue. But what I am certain of is that those figures do not add up.

The Chinese figures never made sense. An outbreak in a densely populated city of 12 million people but only 3,500 deaths. A figure they revised up to 4,500+ only recently.
China has absolutely no credibility, why they have received praise from WHO is baffling.

ACitizenErased · 23-05-2020 06:52PM

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Current county streaks:

https://twitter.com/higginsdavidw/status/1264245507540561926

Think these stats basically cement the idea that it's being extinguished in the community. I think the idea of regional restrictions should be discussed. France's 'traffic light' system is an interesting one.

Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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