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Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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  • #7862
    plodder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,767 ✭✭✭plodder


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    So how is this spreading? Respiratory droplets? Let's reduce the safe distance and no need for masks.
    Not sure what you're on about. If the virus doesn't spread easily on surfaces then it makes little difference to masks/safe distance etc. It does reduce/eliminate the level of additional cleaning and disinfecting that people were anticipating.


  • #7863
    Lolle06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 235 ✭✭Lolle06


    peasant wrote: »
    Just on hat note, I'm going to copy my post from earlier today

    There are also at least 40 new infections in Frankfurt from a single mass that happened on the 10th May. Apparently all hygiene and distancing measures were adhered to in the church.


  • #7864
    Deeper Blue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,394 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    growleaves wrote: »
    https://m.economictimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/suicide-leading-cause-for-over-300-lockdown-deaths-in-india-says-study/amp_articleshow/75519279.cms
    growleaves wrote: »
    https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/apr/30/pick-up-the-phone-to-loved-ones-urges-man-after-grandfathers-suicide
    growleaves wrote: »
    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1286065/lockdown-end-coronavirus-california-donald-trump-gavin-newsom-suicide-death-toll/amp
    growleaves wrote: »
    https://www.mentalhealthtoday.co.uk/blog/crisis-care/evidence-that-lockdown-is-causing-extreme-mental-suffering-and-suicidal-crisis
    growleaves wrote: »
    https://mises.org/power-market/mayor-kane-questions-lockdown-after-utterly-shocking-suicide-spike
    growleaves wrote: »
    https://www.firstpost.com/health/coronavirus-outbreak-168-of-326-non-coronavirus-deaths-till-9-may-were-suicides-finds-report-covid-19-lockdown-may-cost-us-dearer-than-economy-warn-psychiatrists-8357451.html/amp
    growleaves wrote: »
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/coronavirus-suicide-rates-uk-mental-health-support-a9451086.html?amp

    Some good articles there but it'd probably make it easier for people if you gave a few words to summarize what's in them, otherwise they'll be skipped over by most. Not having a dig by the way, some good reads there


  • #7865
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    NDWC wrote: »
    Some good articles there but it'd probably make it easier for people if you gave a few words to summarize what's in them, otherwise they'll be skipped over by most. Not having a dig by the way, some good reads there

    Express article states California has more suicide deaths than covid deaths.

    Will RTE report this? No. Do they deserve 160 eur tv licence money ? No. They never did, becomes most evident now.


  • #7866
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    The majority of restaurants in the city in South Germany where my brother lives have stopped indoor dining and moved outdoors. Cork City is already planning on doing this, yet have to wait until August.
    The "Open everything now" crowd would be better off spending their time working on accelerating creative solutions like this instead of demanding everything goes back to the way it was at the beginning of March.


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  • #7867
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭growleaves


    NDWC wrote: »
    Some good articles there but it'd probably make it easier for people if you gave a few words to summarize what's in them, otherwise they'll be skipped over by most. Not having a dig by the way, some good reads there

    Yeah I know what you mean but I'm on my mobile and outside at the moment. Usually I like to quote the best parts of articles and quote the titles.

    But at this stage...if anyone wants to pretend they don't know the basic facts about social isolation and the damage it does to a person might be best to just let them at it.

    No one needs a PhD in psychiatry to understand this stuff. I would say "it beggars belief" if I was not already so inured to deniable dishonesty.

    Imagine seriously refusing to believe that ten weeks of isolation and confinement is linked to suicide?

    Positivism allows people to fake ignorance and pretend they don't understand anything about life and human nature.


  • #7868
    uli84
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,749 ✭✭✭uli84


    As for suicides I know 2 people personally, one of them a Young woman, would link to her facebook where she has had “f**** corona” frame on the main pic but won’t do it for obvious reasons

    Mind I don’t know anyone who got infected with the virus ;


  • #7869
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,706 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Boggles wrote: »
    They say "healthy" in their "advice", you can be both.

    The WHO as a sound authority on this pandemic is finished, at least at the top.

    They have turned into FIFA.

    I would think in this case "healthy" means that you are without a disease, including the coronavirus.


  • #7870
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    hmmm wrote: »
    The "Open everything now" crowd would be better off spending their time working on accelerating creative solutions like this instead of demanding everything goes back to the way it was at the beginning of March.

    Open everything crowd? I have not seen or heard anyone suggest everything should open now. You seem to wish to make a argument against a point no one has made.


  • #7871
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭growleaves


    One more:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7228428/


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  • #7872
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,706 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    fr336 wrote: »
    The 1m 2m thing confuses me...how does it help if someone sneezes, coughs or speaks loudly (or even softly) and you're in the vicinity eg the same aisle of a supermarket or even the next aisle? We have seen multiple studies showing the droplets can hang out in the air all around the "event" and for many hours afterwards. The distancing feels like a gimmick to show governments are doing something (that being said, I'll still be listening to the advice :pac:)

    People need to stop concentrating on whether it's 1 or 2 metres. If someone sneezes in your direction, 3 to 6 feet won't make that much of a difference.

    The idea, however, is simply keeping your distance when you are outside and have to mingle with other folk.

    Being 1 or 2 metres away from someone doesn't mean you are in some magical exclusion zone and therefore grand. It's just a base figure, because when people were asked to engage in social distancing, they naturally asked "how far?".


  • #7873
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    RobitTV wrote: »
    It's frightening how Ireland's future is now down to these two people. They will have much to answer for in the near future.

    The whole thing is a shambles and a disgrace. Most disappointing thing is M Martin and FF happily sitting waiting it out.

    PS if you are a football fan then tune in Bayern Munich v Frankfurt 5.30 pm. Promises to be great.


  • #7874
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Open everything crowd? I have not seen or heard anyone suggest everything should open now. You seem to wish to make a argument against a point no one has made.
    There's plenty of anti-vaxers, pro-trumpers and the "it's just a flu" types around who are advocating for exactly that.


  • #7875
    RobitTV
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,517 ✭✭✭RobitTV


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    The whole thing is a shambles and a disgrace. Most disappointing thing is M Martin and FF happily sitting waiting it out.

    PS if you are a football fan then tune in Bayern Munich v Frankfurt 5.30 pm. Promises to be great.

    Thanks for letting me know, i will tune in later. Be nice to see some normality after all this time :D


  • #7876
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Tony EH wrote: »
    People need to stop concentrating on whether it's 1 or 2 metres. If someone sneezes in your direction, 3 to 6 feet won't make that much of a difference.
    I agree with your main point about it being mainly about keeping your distance, but there is science behind the choice of 1/2 metres as it has to do with the dispersal of droplets.

    There's a conflict at the moment because the WHO are saying 1 metre, and the ECDC are saying 2, but that will be sorted in time.


  • #7877
    Non solum non ambulabit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭Non solum non ambulabit


    Rob A. Bank wrote: »
    The 1m droplet thing works fine when there is no breeze but it's better not to be downwind of an unmasked cough (or be shorter than the person who coughed).

    tos-humana-sin-viento.jpg?resize=696%2C404&ssl=1

    tos-humana-con-viento.jpg?resize=696%2C602&ssl=1

    From :- On coughing and airborne droplet transmission to humans in 'Physics of Fluids' 32, 053310 (2020); https://doi.org/10.1063/5.0011960

    So outside with a 4km wind it's better for a child to be 1m from a person than 6m.


  • #7878
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    hmmm wrote: »
    There's plenty of anti-vaxers, pro-trumpers and the "it's just a flu" types around who are advocating for exactly that.

    Well then you should have no problem offering evidence of this 'open up everything now' crowd.


  • #7879
    cadaliac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,906 ✭✭✭cadaliac


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Open everything crowd? I have not seen or heard anyone suggest everything should open now. You seem to wish to make a argument against a point no one has made.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058076432

    You obviously haven't seen this thread then, have you....

    Edit: you are aware of that thread it seems. Makes your point above, even more "pointless" so to speak.


  • #7880
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »
    So outside with a 4km wind it's better for a child to be 1m from a person than 6m.
    The plume is going to disperse over that distance, it's not a particularly useful graphic I think.

    We still don't know how many virus particles it takes to infect people, but it's unlikely be due to a handful picked up 6 metres away.


  • #7881
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    laurah591 wrote: »
    additional cases from Catalonia which had not been previouslyz published. Sorry dont have link

    Worldometers total for Spain also includes all of their antibody testing, generally “new cases” in Spain are in the 300-500 range these days. Nothing for today but it was 446 yesterday, that includes 2 days from Catalonia.


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  • #7882
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,706 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    hmmm wrote: »
    I agree with your main point about it being mainly about keeping your distance, but there is science behind the choice of 1/2 metres as it has to do with the dispersal of droplets.

    There's a conflict at the moment because the WHO are saying 1 metre, and the ECDC are saying 2, but that will be sorted in time.

    Sure, but the risk isn't eliminated by an increase of an extra metre. Droplets can still reach you, especially in enclosed environments. The problem here is that there are people who think that if they are 2 metres away, then they're fine.

    The WHO are suggesting a base figure of 1 metre. Countries are free to increase that however they want. It's not like the World Health Organisation are going to be sending in troops to enforce a 1m only rule.


  • #7883
    skallywag
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,035 ✭✭✭skallywag


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    Will RTE report this? No. Do they deserve 160 eur tv licence money ? No. They never did, becomes most evident now.

    You really need to broaden your horizons. Most people do not get their news these days from RTE. I assume you have internet access seeing as you are posting here?


  • #7884
    kk1970
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭kk1970


    Rob A. Bank wrote: »
    The 1m droplet thing works fine when there is no breeze but it's better not to be downwind of an unmasked cough (or be shorter than the person who coughed).

    tos-humana-sin-viento.jpg?resize=696%2C404&ssl=1

    tos-humana-con-viento.jpg?resize=696%2C602&ssl=1

    From :- On coughing and airborne droplet transmission to humans in 'Physics of Fluids' 32, 053310 (2020); https://doi.org/10.1063/5.0011960

    Can you get it if someone farts near you ?


  • #7885
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    Express article states California has more suicide deaths than covid deaths.

    Will RTE report this? No. Do they deserve 160 eur tv licence money ? No. They never did, becomes most evident now.

    that sounds emotive, but the question as I see it would be, are suicides rising against norms? there was some speculation that suicides would drop initially as everyone's routine would be different and that would be enough to shift the mindset of people at risk, but that effect is probably wearing off now

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  • #7886
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    cadaliac wrote: »
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058076432

    You obviously haven't seen this thread then, have you....

    Edit: you are aware of that thread it seems. Makes your point above, even more "pointless" so to speak.

    My knowledge of the thread does not change the fact I have not seen anyone call for everything to open. Do you think I wade through pages of posts?
    As for pointless, your opinion. However it's annoying to see the opinions of others dismissed by comments better suited to the conspiracy threads.


  • #7887
    Penfailed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,679 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    Express article states California has more suicide deaths than covid deaths.

    Will RTE report this? No. Do they deserve 160 eur tv licence money ? No. They never did, becomes most evident now.

    This would make sense if RTE were reporting deaths due to Covid in California. They're not though.

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  • #7888
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    skallywag wrote: »
    You really need to broaden your horizons. Most people do not get their news these days from RTE. I assume you have internet access seeing as you are posting here?

    It is cringe when they report that people dont pay their TV licence and ask for more funds from govt given that lad Tubridy collects 500,000 per year.

    But going by this, should we not just scrap that inefficient, low quality service they are producing and instead put money into creating jobs at wind farms or building new schools? I would be in favor of that. Virgin media news can do the job equally well, afterall why do we have RTE reporting on news at 6 pm and Virgin news come on at 8 PM every day? Are they reporting different stories?


  • #7889
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    Dublin North makes headlines

    "Highest Covid-19 incidence recorded on north side of Dublin
    North west of capital has highest concentration of coronavirus cases in the county

    There are significantly more cases of coronavirus on the north side of Dublin than other parts of the capital, according to new figures from the Health Service Executive (HSE).

    Dublin north west has the highest concentration of Covid-19, with 2,183 cases and 115 deaths. The area includes Glasnevin, Phibsboro, Cabra, Finglas, and Blanchardstown."

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/highest-covid-19-incidence-recorded-on-north-side-of-dublin-1.4261097

    Good luck to any Gardai going into Cabra or Finglas trying to enforce social distancing.


  • #7890
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    My knowledge of the thread does not change the fact I have not seen anyone call for everything to open. Do you think I wade through pages of posts?
    As for pointless, your opinion. However it's annoying to see the opinions of others dismissed by comments better suited to the conspiracy threads.
    You're not adding anything to this thread by your calls for pages of evidence when someone expresses an opinion on a discussion forum. Added to which none of us work for you and are required to answer your questions, no matter how many times you repeat them.


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  • #7891
    cadaliac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,906 ✭✭✭cadaliac


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    My knowledge of the thread does not change the fact I have not seen anyone call for everything to open. Do you think I wade through pages of posts?
    As for pointless, your opinion. However it's annoying to see the opinions of others dismissed by comments better suited to the conspiracy threads.

    That is your opinion, yea?
    I was pointing out that there are plenty of people on the other thread begging for things to open up - all things. Calling this a ridiculous hoax by the government etc.
    You obviously have seen the comments and are flat out denying that those comments exist.
    That is pointless, it has nothing to do with my opinion or yours for that matter. I was pointing out that these people exist and want everything open. You know this also.


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