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Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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  • #7802
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    A lot of people are becoming a bit uneasy about the governments approach to this. Asking, why are we different from other EU countries? Why are we being so much slower? I have been fairly positive on here all along but I’m starting to agree.

    This screams of a “we ****ed up and must make sure it doesn’t happen again”.

    I think it was the chief medical officer who was standing in for Tony who explained the slower reopening especially in comparison to the other EU countries. It looked as if its a slower reopening but its not. He said that other countries experienced their peak approximately the end of March. We experienced our peak in April (a date the middle of April). Other countries began opening up at a certain point after their peak and now we are at that point after our peak.


  • #7803
    Technocentral
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,111 ✭✭✭Technocentral


    https://www.lji.org/news-events/news/post/first-detailed-analysis-of-immune-response-to-sars-cov-2-bodes-well-for-covid-19-vaccine-development/

    Some very interesting positive news!


  • #7804
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    owlbethere wrote: »
    I think it was the chief medical officer who was standing in for Tony who explained the slower reopening especially in comparison to the other EU countries. It looked as if its a slower reopening but its not. He said that other countries experienced their peak approximately the end of March. We experienced our peak in April (a date the middle of April). Other countries began opening up at a certain point after their peak and now we are at that point after our peak.

    Pubs and restaurants in Germany re-opened this week. Any person who enters must provide full contact details and social distancing is maintained. Ours won’t open until August...

    I’m not pushed for pubs to open quickly personally but like the speed is questionable.


  • #7805
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,419 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Pubs and restaurants in Germany re-opened this week. Any person who enters must provide full contact details and social distancing is maintained. Ours won’t open until August...

    I’m not pushed for pubs to open quickly personally but like the speed is questionable.

    A pub and a pub experience in Germany is by and large a complete different concept to here.


  • #7806
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    Will there be advisory from the EU making travel within the EU - essential travel only within the EU.

    I saw the pictures coming from Italy during the week and I think they are heading for wave 2 of this virus soon enough. Without an essential travel only within the EU, aren't we just heading for another Cheltenham situation but on a bigger scale?


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  • #7807
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Boggles wrote: »
    A pub and a pub experience in Germany is by and large a complete different concept to here.

    There’s no reason why we can’t adapt to Germany’s methods. I’ve been there many times, most pubs aren’t that different to here.


  • #7808
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    owlbethere wrote: »
    I think it was the chief medical officer who was standing in for Tony who explained the slower reopening especially in comparison to the other EU countries. It looked as if its a slower reopening but its not. He said that other countries experienced their peak approximately the end of March. We experienced our peak in April (a date the middle of April). Other countries began opening up at a certain point after their peak and now we are at that point after our peak.

    Regardless though, we peak 1 month later but reopen 3 months later. That doesn't make sense. Countries that had their peak 1 month before us are now essentially in our phase 5.

    Doesn't make sense. Does a 1 month later peak equal a 3 month slower reopening ?


  • #7809
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    A lot of people are becoming a bit uneasy about the governments approach to this. Asking, why are we different from other EU countries? Why are we being so much slower? I have been fairly positive on here all along but I’m starting to agree.

    This screams of a “we ****ed up and must make sure it doesn’t happen again”.

    I agree. I was fully supportive of measure at the outset, they were needed. But now we're dragging it out. For a country that prides itself on being an EU member we're the slowest one in the EU


  • #7810
    ZX7R
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Difference between shutting your airports down, they've land borders that can still be crossed, we don't have that, bar the NI border which is non existent anyway.

    If we had a land border within the EU I'd say they'd have shut down the airports because technically theres nothing to stop movement over land just by air. Easier to control and I'd imagine given theres still an available route by land that would have been fine for the EU to accept.

    They've also reopened borders now.

    Here is part of the confusion most European countries declared that there was a national emergency due to covid-19
    As a matter of health.
    Closed there borders flights ECT.
    The Irish government never did.
    Once a EU country decides to activate a plan to open up economy or easing of restrictions it must notifie the EU commission.
    Once this is activated you have moved from emergency to containment phase to control phase.
    We are in control phase as is are all EU members.
    For Ireland to implement a mandatory isolation of two weeks for incoming travel it would contradict the fact we never declared an emergency.
    And the EU commission road map for opening up.


  • #7811
    mandrake04
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Other countries in europe aren't doing it. Harris said they're looking into the legal issues around it, as France and Greece found out the EU aren't exactly welcoming of the idea hence those two had to quickly drop their plans.

    It wont happen here quite simply because Brussels wont allow it for travel within the EU bloc. Do you actually think they wouldn't step in when every other country is removing barriers to entry and we would be looking to impose them ? Dont bite the hand that feeds you.

    In that case people will need to face the fact that further outbreaks, rising case numbers and more lockdowns will happen.... as travel is what introduced the virus to the country in the first place.


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  • #7812
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    owlbethere wrote: »
    Will there be advisory from the EU making travel within the EU - essential travel only within the EU.

    I saw the pictures coming from Italy during the week and I think they are heading for wave 2 of this virus soon enough. Without an essential travel only within the EU, aren't we just heading for another Cheltenham situation but on a bigger scale?

    Nope, the travel advisory from the EU is already for countries to lift restrictions together, looks like middle of June at the moment.

    We'll soon see if theres a 2nd wave but so far in other countries that opened ahead of Italy there is no evidence of that at the moment.

    Like it or not a level of travel and tourism will resume. If people dont want to travel then dont and let those that want to go. Personally I'll be travelling as soon as borders restrictions are lifted in the bloc.

    Cant live life waiting for a 2nd wave that may or may not come or a vacinne that may or may not come. Have to learn to live along side it.


  • #7813
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    mandrake04 wrote: »
    In that case people will need to face the fact that further outbreaks, rising case numbers and more lockdowns will happen.... as travel is what introduced the virus to the country in the first place.

    There will be further cases, its keeping cases at a manageable level. People need to accept that they'll be hearing of cases for a long time to come.

    There were lockdowns because we hadn't a clue how to tackle it, no testing, no tracing, no distancing. Alot has changed since March.

    Cant isolate ourselves forever


  • #7814
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    What has a piece from manufacturers of respirators that states they "may" be effective have to do with masks or face coverings?

    Yeah I guess you are right. Sure they don’t work.

    Paddy’s day was a good idea.
    School’s closing was a bad idea
    Old people die anyway

    Bottom line is ....... the bottom line.


  • #7815
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    I agree. I was fully supportive of measure at the outset, they were needed. But now we're dragging it out. For a country that prides itself on being an EU member we're the slowest one in the EU



    Yeah and nothing to do with the airlines. O’Leary has and had the government by the balls. It’s clear what they are lobbying for.

    If a few old people die on there way to fuengirola then so be it.

    If a second wave arrives by air then so be it.

    People need to understand that decisions may be taken not in their interest for differing reasons. Just look at it logically.

    How do masks work in hospitals but outside a hospital they become ‘face coverings’ and don’t work.

    Cognitive dissonance for economic reasons is in full flight.


  • #7816
    antietam1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 359 ✭✭antietam1


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Which is old wives tale stuff. I had a confirmed case of swine flu. Felt weak and achy, but never took to the bed and was able to function albeit below par. The dose in January ditto(with extra dry coughing).

    Yes everybody gets it differently, but try explaining that to the boss.


  • #7817
    Deeper Blue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,394 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    The latest from our foreign correspondent. Do you trawl the figures to see where there's more misery to report?

    No he posts "relevant" news apparently. Except when it's positive.


  • #7818
    smurgen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Difference between shutting your airports down, they've land borders that can still be crossed, we don't have that, bar the NI border which is non existent anyway.

    If we had a land border within the EU I'd say they'd have shut down the airports because technically theres nothing to stop movement over land just by air. Easier to control and I'd imagine given theres still an available route by land that would have been fine for the EU to accept.

    They've also reopened borders now.

    Not true at all. Slovenia and others closed their lands borders also.

    https://euobserver.com/coronavirus/147742


  • #7819
    An Ciarraioch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    There will be further cases, its keeping cases at a manageable level. People need to accept that they'll be hearing of cases for a long time to come.

    There were lockdowns because we hadn't a clue how to tackle it, no testing, no tracing, no distancing. Alot has changed since March.

    Cant isolate ourselves forever

    Depends on the county - many in the South-East and Connacht have virtually eliminated the virus already, so efforts to halt local transmission appear to have worked.


  • #7820
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    smurgen wrote: »
    Not true at all. Slovenia and others closed their lands borders also.

    https://euobserver.com/coronavirus/147742

    As another poster previously stated due to delacring a state of emergency.

    You really think the EU are going to let us shut down to travel when we're supposed to be opening up and no longer in the emergency phase ?? No chance.

    They're now threatening to cut us off completely from travel within the bloc. Leo and the lads are about to get an ear bashing from them


  • #7821
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    An Ciarraioch wrote: »
    Depends on the county - many in the South-East and Connacht have virtually eliminated the virus already, so efforts to halt local transmission appear to have worked.

    Yeah there's no doubting that.

    Point still stands we can't isolate ourselves for an extended period of time when all others in the EU begin to open up with us left behind.

    Even though we peaked later than other countries, about a month later, we're 3 months behind in reopening, which doesn't make sense.

    Sooner or later people are going to have to learn to live along this, if they want to stay at home most of the time thats fine but a vacinne may or may not come likewise with a second wave


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  • #7822
    fr336
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    The 1m 2m thing confuses me...how does it help if someone sneezes, coughs or speaks loudly (or even softly) and you're in the vicinity eg the same aisle of a supermarket or even the next aisle? We have seen multiple studies showing the droplets can hang out in the air all around the "event" and for many hours afterwards. The distancing feels like a gimmick to show governments are doing something (that being said, I'll still be listening to the advice :pac:)


  • #7823
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,096 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Yeah I guess you are right. Sure they don’t work.

    Paddy’s day was a good idea.
    School’s closing was a bad idea
    Old people die anyway

    Bottom line is ....... the bottom line.

    That has absolutely nothing to do with a piece by a manufacturer on the possible value of respirators in a discussion on the public wearing masks. Bottom line is it was irrelevant.


  • #7824
    PowerToWait
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭PowerToWait


    An Ciarraioch wrote: »
    Depends on the county - many in the South-East and Connacht have virtually eliminated the virus already, so efforts to halt local transmission appear to have worked.

    It is eradicated in my parish also. We've beaten it.


  • #7825
    fr336
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    February/March: We can't close the borders, the economy will be ruined
    March/April: Surge in cases and deaths, economy and country effectively shut down
    May: We can't close the borders, the economy will be ruined
    June onwards: TBC


  • #7826
    Spudmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,057 ✭✭✭Spudmonkey


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Pubs and restaurants in Germany re-opened this week. Any person who enters must provide full contact details and social distancing is maintained. Ours won’t open until August...

    I’m not pushed for pubs to open quickly personally but like the speed is questionable.

    That's Germany. They're at a different stage to it than we are and are by and large a relatively compliant bunch. I'd have significantly more faith in their willingness to do the right thing.
    Besides we should view the fact we are several weeks behind these countries as a good thing. It allows us to see how the relaxing of restrictions will go; is there a spike? Do they have to lockdown again? What measures work/don't work!? We can learn from what they do rather than going gung-ho into the wrong thing and end up back in the same spot!


  • #7827
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,419 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    There’s no reason why we can’t adapt to Germany’s methods. I’ve been there many times, most pubs aren’t that different to here.

    Of course there is.

    Germany's methods are not new, they don't have to adapt to anything. Apart from maybe less people.

    I've been in dozens of pubs in Germany never have I seen dribbling drunk simpletons 10 deep screaming for more drink in the nightly beat the clock farce.

    'Ah but sure it will be different now', it won't 2 pints in and Covid will be forgotten about.


  • #7828
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,557 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    And the amount of idiots here that mock trump etc. At least he has conviction, varadkar is afraid of his own shadow... it's an unbearable country to live in, fear, scaremongering fearing, rte and the morons that run the place at every level. How many suicide reiayed deaths due to the virus, is dr nick, sorry, tony and the rte comedy channel reporting on that?


  • #7829
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    That has absolutely nothing to do with a piece by a manufacturer on the possible value of respirators in a discussion on the public wearing masks. Bottom line is it was irrelevant.

    So an airborne biohazard.

    A link which shows how said masks filter out said particles effectively.

    Of course they don't work. I was wrong sorry.

    Best to tell the HSE and stop those flights to china. Sure it'll be grand.

    Man on internet says they don't work.


  • #7830
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭growleaves


    'Caution' an early contender for weasel word of the decade.

    Last decade's winner was 'compassion' (as used in an Orwellian, inverted sense)


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  • #7831
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,096 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    So an airborne biohazard.

    A link which shows how said masks filter out said particles effectively.

    Of course they don't work. I was wrong sorry.

    Best to tell the HSE and stop those flights to china. Sure it'll be grand.

    Man on internet says they don't work.

    What don't you understand? I never said they don't work. I favour wearing masks and do so myself. I asked what a promo for RESPIRATORS had to do with it. :rolleyes:


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